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*kicks the shit out of Ian Wright*
Alan Hanson though.. LOL.
Alan Hanson though.. LOL.
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Read about it...quite funny 
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Perplex
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HEH In my humble opinion, Ian Wright is.... right. Seaman should never have been that far off his line in a direct free kick position
In my humble opinion, Ian Wright is.... right. Seaman should never have been that far off his line in a direct free kick position
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No one would doubt it was a serious mistake but then again it wasn't the only thing that cost England the match...it was a team game loss.
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Oh yeah, it was definately a mistake, but mistakes happen. The rest of the team didn't play well enough to win it back against 10 men so - as Beckham said - you can't make a scapegoat out of him. More so when you consider how much grief he's given himself over it.
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Monkeys fucking a football
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i think it's unfair to hold seaman responsible, and so far i haven't seen people do so, thankfully. it was a mistake, and not the first made by an england keeper, let alone by any keeper.
watching the post match coverage of the turkey/senegal game on itv earlier, and apparently Beckenbauer wants to put all of his players (except Kahn) in a bag and kick the hell out of it. obviously the semi-finals aren't good enough, and he wants a bye to the finals?
watching the post match coverage of the turkey/senegal game on itv earlier, and apparently Beckenbauer wants to put all of his players (except Kahn) in a bag and kick the hell out of it. obviously the semi-finals aren't good enough, and he wants a bye to the finals?
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LMAO - class.
You can't blame Seaman really, no more than you can't blame the rest of the team for not scoring more goals really. Fair enough he was out of position but how many times do other players fluff a pass, lose the ball, mishit a shot or suchlike. Just because he's a keeper doesn't make him immune to making human mistakes.
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England's biggest mistake in the game was letting in the equalizer with a few minutes to go before half-time, the psychological impact of being 1-0 up at the break is huge, they did the same with the Argentina game last Finals, letting them get away with that sneaky free kick maneuver putting it at 2-2.
Why don't they give themselves an extra push when they know there is a break coming, you don't sit back at that point, you push harder, it was obvious Brazil were panicking and trying hard, Ronaldinho made a fantastic run up to that goal, you can't let that sort of play make inroads into your defence. I knew the game was lost at that point, it was very sad watching the agony played out.
The debate will go on about that Ronaldinho's goal, its obvious from the way he took it it was just a fluffed kick in, not aimed at all. It was like that super-flukey Carlos goal some time back when he crossed the ball from right on the baseline and it curled round and went in.
Why don't they give themselves an extra push when they know there is a break coming, you don't sit back at that point, you push harder, it was obvious Brazil were panicking and trying hard, Ronaldinho made a fantastic run up to that goal, you can't let that sort of play make inroads into your defence. I knew the game was lost at that point, it was very sad watching the agony played out.
The debate will go on about that Ronaldinho's goal, its obvious from the way he took it it was just a fluffed kick in, not aimed at all. It was like that super-flukey Carlos goal some time back when he crossed the ball from right on the baseline and it curled round and went in.
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Let me take a wild guess - had Beckham scored that goal, it would have been hailed as the goal of the decade, and praises would be sung to his amazing set piece abilities. Ronaldinho claims he intended it (and let's face it - he saw no wall had formed, and he saw Seaman 6+ yards off his line - a player of that ability would have a pot shot) and frankly as Ian Wright said, the whole manner of the shot (his approach, his stance, his contact) indicated that in fact he was aiming for goal.
He may have been a bit fortunate at just how top-corner it ended up being, but I have no doubt he was trying to catch out the dazed and confused Seaman wandering around the penalty area like a fool
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I blame Seaman. If he is honest with himself he would blame Seaman too (if you understand my meaning). Cost us the fucking world cup.
As for the *bastard ladyboy son of Jar Jar Bink's* goal, of course it was a fucking mishit cross. If he was aiming for goal he would have gone for the near post where Seaman wasn't standing.
As for the *bastard ladyboy son of Jar Jar Bink's* goal, of course it was a fucking mishit cross. If he was aiming for goal he would have gone for the near post where Seaman wasn't standing.
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after seeing the replays of it now, i think he meant it - i agree with perplex that if beckham had done it we would've all said he meant it. funny even beckham says it was a fluke. he meant it imo
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Well I dont think we should blame anyone in the team especially Seaman. It wasnt just our mistakes that cost us the game, the Brazilians played well. But lets look at a few things, how long did Ronaldinho take to get off the pitch ? How much protesting was there from the Brazilian players ? They should of been booked for dissent, they wasted around 4-5 minutes after he was sent off complaining, that shouldnt be allowed. Then we have Mr Rivaldo and his cheating bastard diving skills again. Ohhh look, Sol Campbells arm brushed my chest, shit, I think I'll take a drop and hold my face because I lost the ball... He has done this before, when a ball hit his leg he took a drop holding his face and rolled around for ages, he got fined for that tho. Football pisses me off when players do such things, just makes the game not worth bothering about ? Pretty much all through the second half whenever we showed the slightest bit of momentum going forward a Brazilian would take a drop or do something to hold up the play. One of them, cant remember who, think it was Rivaldo again, dropped holding his leg, stayed down for a minute or two, got up limping, second ball got near him he was sprinting as if nothing happened. Pathetic that players of that "class" need to do such blatant things to help them win matches. I know we arent perfect, many England players have exagerated, and I dont agree with that either, but if Rivaldo can get away with dropping holding his head when he wasnt even touched there, let alone anywhere nasty, then why dont we start doing it as well ?
Football needs cleaning up, you dont see the Japanese or Koreans diving like cunts all the time do you, they are respectable and honourable at least. I've been greatly impressed this WC with Korea, they are a joy to watch, they never give up and dont sit back and defend like most teams. With the way they move the ball around as well, they are just a joy to watch. I especially like their quality in clearing, nearly all of their clearances go to one of their players, where as most teams I've watched tend to give it away in a panic clearance.
Anyway, end of my longish post
Football needs cleaning up, you dont see the Japanese or Koreans diving like cunts all the time do you, they are respectable and honourable at least. I've been greatly impressed this WC with Korea, they are a joy to watch, they never give up and dont sit back and defend like most teams. With the way they move the ball around as well, they are just a joy to watch. I especially like their quality in clearing, nearly all of their clearances go to one of their players, where as most teams I've watched tend to give it away in a panic clearance.
Anyway, end of my longish post
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Meant it or not, Seaman *should* have saved it.
Oh, and Rivaldo is a cheating twat, agreed, but it's the way football has been going for ages.
I find it quite funny that the refs don't use the big screens in the stadiums to check up on these things.
Oh, and Rivaldo is a cheating twat, agreed, but it's the way football has been going for ages.
I find it quite funny that the refs don't use the big screens in the stadiums to check up on these things.
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Ronaldinho was aiming for goal if you ask me!
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Whether he was or not....he is still one ugly fooker
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That is a bullshit attitude.
Seaman doesn't deserve to get blamed for what happened. Sure he was out of position, but how many players would have the audacity to attempt a shot like that, so close to goal, when a proper set piece would've been the more tried-and-tested way to go. Had Ronaldinho missed that shot (which I firmly believe it was a shot - theres no chance a player of his calibre would miskick the ball that "badly", ever) he would've come in for some major stick from his fellow players, especially had Brazil gone on to lose.
Saying Seaman "cost us the World Cup" is a pretty arrogant thing to say. It's arguable that without Seaman we might not have been in the World Cup in the first place. Try to remember that before you hang someone out to dry for making one mistake.
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I am not suggesting Seaman get pariahed for his mistake (in the way Beckham did 4 years ago). I am saying that for a goalie of his stature he should have got that cross/shot/whatever and he knows it. If we had a penalty on 89 mins to win the match and someone missed it I would blame that person! Same thing here. He failed to save a goal that he should have *easily* saved but he didn't.
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ono
shut the fuck up
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shut the fuck up
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Ronaldinhio's goal was intentional. He has said that himself. You have to remember, there is no such thing as a flukey Brazillian goal.
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However, he would have said that even if it was a fluke. Because then he looks like a skilled player rather than a jammy cunt.
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Granted - but the fact remains that he is a skillful player? Easily more 'skillful' than any of the pitiful offerings England has to offer. He is easily in the top 10 players of the world
And imho, the Brazillians dominate the 'top 10 players of the world'
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They have a good stronhold yes. Italy still have the best defence (and Del Piero and Vieri) and France have Zidane. Oh and Paraguay have Chilavert.
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LOL !!! Damn accurate description
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I KNOW WHERE THE BASTARD GOT THE IDEA!!!!!!!! HE WAS In/WATCHING THAT NIKE ADVERT WASNT HE!!!!!! THE ONE WITH ERIC CANTONA WHO ARRANGES THESE 3-A SIDE TOURNYS OF THE WORLDS BEST PLAYERS!!!!!!!
sorry. it came to be me when matching the music vid for it
sorry. it came to be me when matching the music vid for it
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in the rematch of that advert, Carlos's shot has some mental swerve on it!
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1) Who cares whether he meant it or not, it went in. If he did, it was a bloody good free kick. If he didn't, it was some nice luck... but getting sent off 2 minutes later in such a stupidly harsh manner was some very un-nice luck, so it doesn't really matter.
2) If you blame Seaman you're a lamoid tbh, and should get your opinions from somewhere other than the tabloids. Big deal, so he let in a goal, he made a mistake - he kept us in the World Cup more than a few times. Added to which, had he stayed on his line, the free kick had gone where everyone had expected it to, and been nodded in, everyone would be slating him for not coming off his line. England is a totally shitty country when it comes to supporting our national teams. We're so quick to jump in and bury a knife in someone if we lose, it's hardly surprising we under-perform so much.
The best thing imo is South Korea still being in the World Cup - they come without the pretentions, attitude and ego of the so called "major teams". The players give 100% throughout the game, regardless of their opponent, the scoreline, or the conditions - they seem to know what it means to play for their country. If they get fouled they just get back up and get on with it, they don't roll around all over the place. They don't go down in the penalty area for no reason, they don't argue with the ref, and they don't make a myriad of excuses if things don't go their way. I think all the 'big' footballing nations, England included, have a shitload to learn from Korea and a lot of the underdogs from this tournament.
2) If you blame Seaman you're a lamoid tbh, and should get your opinions from somewhere other than the tabloids. Big deal, so he let in a goal, he made a mistake - he kept us in the World Cup more than a few times. Added to which, had he stayed on his line, the free kick had gone where everyone had expected it to, and been nodded in, everyone would be slating him for not coming off his line. England is a totally shitty country when it comes to supporting our national teams. We're so quick to jump in and bury a knife in someone if we lose, it's hardly surprising we under-perform so much.
The best thing imo is South Korea still being in the World Cup - they come without the pretentions, attitude and ego of the so called "major teams". The players give 100% throughout the game, regardless of their opponent, the scoreline, or the conditions - they seem to know what it means to play for their country. If they get fouled they just get back up and get on with it, they don't roll around all over the place. They don't go down in the penalty area for no reason, they don't argue with the ref, and they don't make a myriad of excuses if things don't go their way. I think all the 'big' footballing nations, England included, have a shitload to learn from Korea and a lot of the underdogs from this tournament.