I was thinking it was time for a new

[Ckiller]

Stun QQ thread what do u guys think


Although im gettin NS soon which might make my life a little better


But i still think Stun on a caster is the most OP thing there is(any other spell u cant have any cept purge/cb counter against)! closely followed by insta spells(any kind) and lifetap spells(any kind)

 

[Gamah]

Really? I was thinking it was time for a new double post

 

[Aiteal]

Stun QQ thread what do u guys think


Although im gettin NS soon which might make my life a little better


But i still think Stun on a caster is the most OP thing there is(any other spell u cant have any cept purge/cb counter against)! closely followed by insta spells(any kind) and lifetap spells(any kind)

ml'ed pets and soi is worse
you can't purge that

 

[Pertan]

Agree, stun on casters is just retarded in some situations

 

[liloe]

get a new topic CKiller zzzzzZzZz, I think we heared every single argument about baseline stun now. Let me remind you some:

-it's short duration vs. ppl attacking you (unlike root)
-it's worthless on det tanks
-you loose dps while casting it
-mids have a longer baseline stun
-albs have it on their buffshear class, which is about the same if you ask me (yes, I play cleric)

ok, now that the basic arguments are back in mind, let's leave this and be happy

 

[Sorao]

get a new topic CKiller zzzzzZzZz, I think we heared every single argument about baseline stun now. Let me remind you some:
-albs have it on their buffshear class, which is about the same if you ask me (yes, I play cleric)

lol that is funny cos as far as i know that cleric is not gona stun u for 9 secs then kill u in 3 with nukes for 600+ damage abe a smite or 2 for a few hundered damage if ur smite spec but to say that chanter baseline stun is the same as cleric one is jsut funny tbh yes the stun its self is 9 secs so is the same but in the concept of things its not 9 sec stun smite target on say 50% hp chanter stun target dead and still 6 secs left of the stun timer is left

 

[Nate]

-you loose dps while casting it

i think you rather gain dps, you will do more dmg as the target would be unable to move for the dur = not too far away/interrupting..most casters face the problem of a target running away, without that disadvantage your dps will increase

 

[Puppet]

lol that is funny cos as far as i know that cleric is not gona stun u for 9 secs then kill u in 3 with nukes for 600+ damage abe a smite or 2 for a few hundered damage if ur smite spec but to say that chanter baseline stun is the same as cleric one is jsut funny tbh yes the stun its self is 9 secs so is the same but in the concept of things its not 9 sec stun smite target on say 50% hp chanter stun target dead and still 6 secs left of the stun timer is left

http://vnboards.ign.com/midgard_rogue_professions/b20912/96433697/p1/?93
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2040/cleric1ru.jpg

Cleric 4-shotting a Shadowblade

 

[Arumos]

http://vnboards.ign.com/midgard_rogue_professions/b20912/96433697/p1/?93
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2040/cleric1ru.jpg

Cleric 4-shotting a Shadowblade

fooking lol!

 

[Maeloch]

Cleric 4-shotting a Shadowblade

Guess what you get for gimping spirit. Most SBs run with bot heat resists up and it's a bit different for a heat nuker...4.5s stun duration, 300-350 nukes, under 300 if maliced, lower still if moccing. You ain't gonna drop em in a hurry.

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

http://vnboards.ign.com/midgard_rogue_professions/b20912/96433697/p1/?93
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2040/cleric1ru.jpg

Cleric 4-shotting a Shadowblade

How is that possible? I haven't looked massively closely at the screen shot...was it a Smite Cleric?

 

[Saje]

rr11 smit0r of doom

 

[Phule_Gubben]

http://vnboards.ign.com/midgard_rogue_professions/b20912/96433697/p1/?93
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2040/cleric1ru.jpg

Cleric 4-shotting a Shadowblade

2 years old but still funny.

Liloe, what you don't seem to understand is that neither midclass or albclass can kill another toon during the duration of casted stun, hibcasters on the other hand will prolly get spanked if they don't. Catch the whine better now?

And the old defencecrap about it being useless in fg rvr is just as retarded too. It's just really really really annoying to face it every friggin time you run in to a hib grp. If it's not that damn op:ed in fg rvr then I suggest you guys stop using it. Brings back some old whine-memories about AS debuff. That was even more annoying thou.

 

[Tiztla]

yes remove the stun from hibcasters and give it to me

 

[Puppet]

2 years old but still funny.

It is not 2 years old. Its from patch 1.83 where smite clerics actually hurt

 

[Edlina]

2 years old but still funny.

Look at the kill message when the shadowblade dies... It's post- US cluster which means it nothing like 2 years old More likely it's after the recent smite boost...

Bah puppet was faster it's post us clustering of bors and merlin so it's quite new for sure

 

[Eleasias]

i dont think baseline stun on hib casters is that much of a problem :E

 

[illu]

Stun on a class that can nuke is a bit nasty It's one extra toy that can destroy players simply because usually it goes something like
Mezz target
Target either purges (then gets stunned-nuked) or waits on the Mezz to run out
Caster is making distance between target and them the whole time
Start nuking target
Target runs to nuker - gets stunned - purges - but is too far to get to the caster in time.
And then a root comes in or another escape device or ability.

Anything that gives a nuking caster a chance to make space between it and it's target = dead target.

Silly game.

Oli - Illu

 

[eggy]

Although I think it's a silly ability to give to debuff nukers, I would almost be bored if I wasn't at risk of being stunned!

Incidentally, if you're quick off the mark, you can purge and quick-cast (or moc) quite easily before you die from nukes - most people have slow reaction time. The real problem is that mixed with nearsight, it's a very powerful tool on Eldritches (ie purge NS and get stunned)

A lot of hib casters don't use last target + face enough; you should often be able to quick-cast a stun on a sorc for example before it kills you with lifetaps...I'm amazed that stun isn't used more!

 

[eSo]

how refreshing to see a caster whine in dark age of tankalot. caster (all) need some stuff vs interrupt bs, it's getting ridicilous. and no, caster stun ain't op'd at all. and anyway, hib SHOULD be THE magic realm - they should have a little edge in magic, don't care if it's baseline stun or something else.

 

[scarloc]

The only problem with baselinestun is it stops you moving so you cant run away. But then I'd rather have root in a few situations (good job I do!)

Magic realm/melee realm etc isnt really worth using as a point, albs have IMO the best caster groups available? And if you're getting interrupted (poster above me) just position yourself better - takes a while to learn where and where not to be but its worth learning it. Then at least if someone dumps a banelord on you, the other casters in your group are out of range of it (theoretically).

 

[eSo]

Magic realm/melee realm etc isnt really worth using as a point, albs have IMO the best caster groups available?

yep prolly. that's why i said "SHOULD".

And if you're getting interrupted (poster above me) just position yourself better - takes a while to learn where and where not to be but its worth learning it.

heh thanks, but i think i know how to work it by now.

 

[Nate]

theres nothing little about the siege advantage in magic of hibs ;p

 

[Leel]

A lot of hib casters don't use last target + face enough; you should often be able to quick-cast a stun on a sorc for example before it kills you with lifetaps...I'm amazed that stun isn't used more!

You should play an eldritch and try that then. It's not as easy as it sounds as the sorc will kill you so fast. Just make lifetap 3.0 secs though, and np
Quickcast sucks with the long casting time.