News i see the grave robbers are at it again

[Mabs]

BBC News - Salvaged Titanic items on show at London exhibition

why cant people just leave it the fuck alone and stop digging through dead peoples things

funny how large maritime graves are normally protected from people doing this

 

[dysfunction]

BBC News - Salvaged Titanic items on show at London exhibition

why cant people just leave it the fuck alone and stop digging through dead peoples things

funny how large maritime graves are normally protected from people doing this

Why? They don't need them!
And besides it's interesting...

And I don't think they have been down there to collect more stuff....

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's a good point though. Seeking through dead bodies in the ocean with powertools is a-ok, but going treasure hunting in your local graveyard is morbid and shameful

 

[DaGaffer]

It's a good point though. Seeking through dead bodies in the ocean with powertools is a-ok, but going treasure hunting in your local graveyard is morbid and shameful

That depends on the graveyard; I'm not sure where grave robbing ends and archaeology starts.

As for the Titanic, for some reason merchant shipping is considered fair game for salvage, military wrecks are a different matter; a designated war grave is off limits for 200 years (for British wrecks, don't know about other countries).

Have to admit, I'd love to dive some war wrecks (I've only wreck dived commercial stuff, the biggest being the Zenobia in Cyprus), especially in the Pacific, like Truk. So long as you don't take anything, I see no problem with it.

 

[Mabs]

That depends on the graveyard; I'm not sure where grave robbing ends and archaeology starts.

about when you cross the line from "this is the ships bell, and we found the hole in the side that let the water in" to where they are now with the "and these are Mr Smiths underpants we found, and a nice postcard he was writing"

 

[rynnor]

I agree with Mabs - its pretty sick stealing dead peoples goods just because the aura of the Titanic disaster makes them worth something.

What kind of person buys this shit? Ghouls the lot of em.

 

[Ch3tan]

They aren't selling it rynnor.

The company that did the salvage are preserving and exhibiting the stuff.

It's not like they are digging up corpses.

It's of historical importance, the same as archaeologists digging up old tombs.

 

[Mabs]

They aren't selling it rynnor.

The company that did the salvage are preserving and exhibiting the stuff.

It's not like they are digging up corpses.

It's of historical importance, the same as archaeologists digging up old tombs.

they are digging up corpses, just not putting them on show

and its hardly archeology, we dont need to dig it up to see people lived in the early 1900s do we ?
there is nothing we dont know about the people/life style etc . the -ONLY- legitimate interest is in the ship/accident which is fair enough, but nothing beyond that

/edit
also its still in the "living memory" bracket ( i think), or hasnt been out of it for long

 

[Turamber]

I'm going to the exhibition -- there are no people on display, just their possessions. I wouldn't describe that as ghoulish. It is a fascinating insight into life 100 years ago and one of the most newsworthy events of the 20th century.

Talking of ghoulish -- I've seen Egyptian mummies in various museums, including Tut himself in the Cairo museum. Nobody now alive was mates with the mummies so it doesn't seem shocking, or even particularly wrong. But by comparison it is much worse than looking at somebody's silk socks, worn once a hundred years ago.

 

[rynnor]

The V&A and other museums have more and better examples of these items that have'nt spent years in the sea so there is no real value to them other than their link to the disaster.

How long till we see Michael Ryan's guns, Moats clothing or the West families furnishings in an exhibition - its just a cynical attempt to bring in the ghoulish punters who want to see disaster porn.

 

[rynnor]

They aren't selling it rynnor.

Yet - currently they are drumming up interest with a tour then they'll try to flog the junk - its a commercial company - they wouldnt be down there digging this stuff out if they werent convinced it was worth something.

 

[old.user4556]

Dig it up and lets see it; all this "it's dead people" is sentimental bullshit. Fuck sakes.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yet - currently they are drumming up interest with a tour then they'll try to flog the junk - its a commercial company - they wouldnt be down there digging this stuff out if they werent convinced it was worth something.

They aren't allowed to. I'll try and find the link, but I read it a few months ago.

Basically the (US) courts are deciding whether the company is allowed to care for and exhibit the items, or whether they have to hand them over to the government. They wouldn't have ownership, and would not be allowed to sell.

edit:// Here you go: BBC News - US firm awarded $110m for salvaging Titanic artefacts

 

[rynnor]

Its a bit more complicated than that - theres various salvage operations that brought up artifacts and those arent all covered by this case. The other issue is that the wrecks in International waters so they can take the stuff and sell it elsewhere.

They actually tried to get the title to everything on the ship even without actually salvaging it but that was rightly thrown out.

The venture was formed to economically exploit the wreck in anyway they can.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Sounds like this was an exercise in getting Daily Mail readers' sense of moral outrage hitting overdrive.

If only those doing the salvaging were unemployed illegal immigrant peadophiles, I think some of you would blow a gasket. Some hilarious quotes here. Disaster porn, WHAT A PROFITABLE MARKET. Fucking hell. Reality check please!

 

[Mabs]

Sounds like this was an exercise in getting Daily Mail readers' sense of moral outrage hitting overdrive.

If only those doing the salvaging were unemployed illegal immigrant peadophiles, I think some of you would blow a gasket. Some hilarious quotes here. Disaster porn, WHAT A PROFITABLE MARKET. Fucking hell. Reality check please!

i have family down there, excuse me for not wanting people literally walking all over them.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

With phrases like disaster porn I guess you mean wanking as opposed to walking?

 

[DaGaffer]

i have family down there, .

No you don't.

 

[Raven]

If you have family down there then I have family at various English battle sites, I demand all ghoulish activity at these sites stop immediately!

 

[Turamber]

I demand people stop eating potatoes. It is a disgrace that so many people died in Ireland's potato famine yet people are now stuffing themselves with chips and jacket potatoes.

 

[DaGaffer]

I demand people stop eating potatoes. It is a disgrace that so many people died in Ireland's potato famine yet people are now stuffing themselves with chips and jacket potatoes.

 

[Gumbo]

i have family down there, excuse me for not wanting people literally walking all over them.

Name and relationship please. This will be fun, or interesting, one way or the other.

 

[Mabs]

yeah fucking hilarious beyond all normal measure

and what do you care ?

 

[DaGaffer]

yeah fucking hilarious beyond all normal measure

and what do you care ?

You're the one claiming you have relatives at the bottom of the ocean. Unless your name is Arthur Curry I rather doubt that.

 

[old.Tohtori]

People are doubting that someone has realtions to the titanic passengers?

You lot think that they came onboard from a spaceship?

Anyway; ask yourself this. Would you be ok if the government dug up your dead granny/mother/whatnot and rummaged through her bones, then putting her burial dress on display?

I doubt it.

 

[Ch3tan]

We are questioning why he is being so emotive about a relative that he could never have met.

 

[Mabs]

We are questioning why he is being so emotive about a relative that he could never have met.

because you dont go through the old graveyards in london diggin thru whatever is physically left to find some stuff to get your name in the paper do you ?
so why is it ok to do it at sea ?

 

[DaGaffer]

People are doubting that someone has realtions to the titanic passengers?

You lot think that they came onboard from a spaceship?

Anyway; ask yourself this. Would you be ok if the government dug up your dead granny/mother/whatnot and rummaged through her bones, then putting her burial dress on display?

I doubt it.

No, I'm doubting he has relatives "down there" since they're a. dead, and b. long since decomposed. There's maybe an odd bone or two, if that. So its hardly a case of "rummaging through granny", the fish and the currents did that a long time ago. And besides, its like me getting pissy about archaeologists digging up the Somme because my great-granddad (who I never met) was blown up there; ridiculous. We tread on and breathe in the bones of the dead every day, if we worried about every spot on the planet where someone fell off their perch, we'd never leave the house (and for a lot of people even that would be a problem).

 

[Raven]

My house is 400 years old, I would have to live under the stairs.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No, I'm doubting he has relatives "down there" since they're a. dead, and b. long since decomposed. There's maybe an odd bone or two, if that. So its hardly a case of "rummaging through granny", the fish and the currents did that a long time ago. And besides, its like me getting pissy about archaeologists digging up the Somme because my great-granddad (who I never met) was blown up there; ridiculous. We tread on and breathe in the bones of the dead every day, if we worried about every spot on the planet where someone fell off their perch, we'd never leave the house (and for a lot of people even that would be a problem).

I'm not saying that i'm against it, just that it's no different from opening a grave and rummaging there. If you fiddle with dead bodies, you fiddle with dead bodies.

Concistency is the keyword here.