I love Prydwen these days \o/

[Corran]

Im a Hib and I fail to see what I did to cause the zerg.

Stop generalizing.. 90 out of 100 times i get killed because Im outnumbered and get added on by different kinds of monkeys.

Dont care what others Hibs 'caused'.. It wasnt me who caused it yet Im the one those tards stealthers like Haanaah etc continously add on.

Yes i generalizing that, however at the time of day this been happening you got 90% of the emain hib population stealthed together, if you turn up while people are retaliating to this it is unfortunate. I been on the recieving end alot, and it is frustrating. You run around a zone having good fights with solo-4people group. fg comes and zergs them down, enemy bring fg+ balanced group and bang there goes my fun.

As said else where, it sucks if you on recieving end for what others caused but it the same for everyone. You should see the amount of people killed today by the hibs before people retaliated. They would of racked it up. People werent giving up till ganked 3+times, some much more.

 

[willowywicca]

by the time my quickcast is done bob is there chain stunning me~

im better of just winning the first nuke.

If you're in range for nuking it'd be silly to NS first as it just gives the enemy more time to get out of your range before you kill him (regardless of if you're caba or RM.. both can kill a caster before it finishes QCing, so no point to fear them QCing nearsight on you -- whoever saw the other first would win).. assuming you meet from a large enough distance that it's worthwhile to NS first before nuking, then blue NS totally defeats grey one, because, oddly enough, runemasters also have speed. thus if they get nearsighted, they can just pull away and the caba can *never* catch them, nor set pet on them (pet range is fixed at 1500, while NS range is 2400~). if runemaster wins nearsight battle, caba can't do anything to him, his farthest range spell will be nearsight (55% of 2400 = 1320 units, which is much lower than nuking range of the runemaster (1650)). RM just has to casually root pet, use his speed to get into range of the caba and nuke him down easily (even if caba runs rm can always catch up again after 10 seconds)..

(obviously ignoring RAs and MLs with regards to what happens..)

 

[Puppet]

Yes i generalizing that, however at the time of day this been happening you got 90% of the emain hib population stealthed together

That total emain hib population stealthed is about 30-50% of the typical Alb numbers in Emain who can stealth. Im not kidding you(!)

You know; Im used to being outnumbered. If its only 2 bashing me Im already happy, since I *VERY* rarely meet someone 1 vs 1.

The problem is there is rarely any Alb who is used to get outnumbered every day, every week, for months and months.

Yeah sometimes an Alb gets outnumbered and what does he do: Bring 2x the numbers to beat em. Albs are not hardened by fighting bigger numbers; majority of em just groups up with more and more till they outnumber the enemy about 2-3x.

Ofcourse there are exceptions among those Albs, not gonna name em; those who are know they are.

P.S. 90% of the Hib stealthers is then 3-4 people. Big deal; you moan about that? I get at primetime as many as 10-15 different Alb stealthers trying to shoot/hit me.

 

[Wazkyr]

Can only give puppet right, if we get zerged, somehow we get a bigger zerg, always.
Tho not evrybody is like so, but he said that. /hug

When i solo i offen get jumped by 1-2MAX hib stealhers, and, its not really offen there is 2. Compare it to when mids jump u (aldoran zerg) or just Bite+adds, they know how to make a stealh zerg.

 

[Corran]

That total emain hib population stealthed is about 30-50% of the typical Alb numbers in Emain who can stealth. Im not kidding you(!)

You know; Im used to being outnumbered. If its only 2 bashing me Im already happy, since I *VERY* rarely meet someone 1 vs 1.

The problem is there is rarely any Alb who is used to get outnumbered every day, every week, for months and months.

Yeah sometimes an Alb gets outnumbered and what does he do: Bring 2x the numbers to beat em. Albs are not hardened by fighting bigger numbers; majority of em just groups up with more and more till they outnumber the enemy about 2-3x.

Ofcourse there are exceptions among those Albs, not gonna name em; those who are know they are.

P.S. 90% of the Hib stealthers is then 3-4 people. Big deal; you moan about that? I get at primetime as many as 10-15 different Alb stealthers trying to shoot/hit me.

hmm so if 90% of hib population is 3-4stealthers how comes for the past week i meet 2-3 groups of 3 stealthers along with some solo stealthers or alternatively a group of 6-8stealthers camping together? Already more then double the figures your talking about being there.

Yes ofc you will get more stealthers hitting you in a mg area, cause albs can port there so dont care. It the same in odins with hibs, often i run into 4-8 stealthers there when only been 1 or 2 albs there. Different zone but same temperment.

And sure some die and will get bigger groups, their group may actually be only the same size as those which attacked them however as you noted, steatlhers always add and will be the case here also when people see the chance of ganking people back in revenge.

Oh, and i think albs are quite used to being outnumbered atm, as there constantly a alb/mid gank force just before primetime, or in the early afternoon that happily enjoys 5:1+ odds

 

[Illtar]

"I'll give u a requirement to stop using it

Oh and wot Melachi said about the right attitude to solo'ing.
"

Just press StT maybe?

 

[Puppet]

hmm so if 90% of hib population is 3-4stealthers how comes for the past week i meet 2-3 groups of 3 stealthers along with some solo stealthers or alternatively a group of 6-8stealthers camping together? Already more then double the figures your talking about being there.

How come I always get jumped by 2900 Alb stealthers! Already more then 1000x your numbers! Also 2-3 groups of 3 stealthers is something different then meeting those 6-9 stealthers at the same time.

Fact is I often do a /who macha and more often then not I see a total list of 3-4 players INCLUDING me. Surely at times there's more people in Emain and surely at times you've seen 6-8 stealthers camping together.

Comparing those incidents with the structural camping of AMG by Albs for the past... 2 years? is bollocks tho. For every Hib-stealthzergling in Emain I give you 5 Alb-names.

Yes ofc you will get more stealthers hitting you in a mg area, cause albs can port there so dont care. It the same in odins with hibs, often i run into 4-8 stealthers there when only been 1 or 2 albs there. Different zone but same temperment.

'often'? Define often. Once every week? Once every month? I run into 12+ Alb-stealthers EVERY EVENING EVERY DAY FROM ABOUT 15:00 CET till way over midnight. For names refer to a previous posting about this :O

And sure some die and will get bigger groups, their group may actually be only the same size as those which attacked them however as you noted, steatlhers always add and will be the case here also when people see the chance of ganking people back in revenge.

Not every stealther adds. Ask Bigchief, ask Grymligast. I let em live often enough when I run with some guildies and detect em. Why I let em live? Because I dont like being outnumbered every fight so why should I return the favour to them who respect me being solo and dont add on every fight I have?

Oh, and i think albs are quite used to being outnumbered atm, as there constantly a alb/mid gank force just before primetime, or in the early afternoon that happily enjoys 5:1+ odds

Was talking about stealthers and tbh. I cannot think of ANY time where's there less Alb stealthers then anything else out. You might get ganked continously by Hib stealthers but thats because the Hibs work better together then the Albs at that hour.

Tactics in some way can make a difference; but in the case of Hib-stealthers past say .. 14-15 CET there's no tactics anymore; the Alb numbers are so much higher then the Hib ones u can tactic your arse off but u wont win 4 vs 1 without dying. I can perhaps deal with 2-3 noobs; I cannot handle 6+ attacking me; let alone 10+

 

[Dorin]

puppet they WON'T understand till they try it.

Difference between runing to emain, ofc with some fookers camping, getting perma zerged for months, years by 3x str relic supported wankers versus getting zerged SOMETIMES, afking on pad, wont mention class balances or this sentence would be too long.

 

[Corran]

Puppet im not denying that the albs stealthers zerg alot, and often means that in the past 10 days i can remember 8 of them where im outnumbered 4:1 or greater by hib stealthers. If that many are jumping a solo sorc i dont want to think of the ones that remain hidden at the same time. may be none, may be another 4+ though.

Hibs, albs, mids. They all stealth zerg atm and it is rediculous no matter what side of it you are on if you are one of the few solo/duo people out there. You may have it bad yes, but so do the rest of us that always running outnumbered.

oh and sure, you can give 5 names to every hib zerger, probably because got 5 times the population. in relation of popultion:stealther zerg i wouldnt say that it that different from personal experience. I know how mids/hibs are though i can give certainaty on albs as i dont fight them here and as such will not be jumped by them ofc.

And if hibs werent in 6+ stealth group from 11am till 3pm then maybe the alb stealth groups wouldnt form quite as fast? Cant say it werent but it something to consider. Albs get fed up being zerged as much as hibs do and as such the more you zerg them the more quicker they will group up.

But come on, you cant say you got it harder then other solo people from other realms because i bet they die 99% of the time to superior numbers attacking them as well. I know i do :s The only difference is you have to run to emain whereas mid/alb dont which makes it annoying for you, however i ran about odins for 20minutes last few afternoons and there been about 3 other solo albs but no enemies. So if you want away from the zergs and dont want to run then try there. I know i do but often left with no choice but to go straight back to the zerg, or as i end up doing often, just logging.

 

[Corran]

puppet they WON'T understand till they try it.

Difference between runing to emain, ofc with some fookers camping, getting perma zerged for months, years by 3x str relic supported wankers versus getting zerged SOMETIMES, afking on pad, wont mention class balances or this sentence would be too long.

oh and as for you, sure you may got ganked by 3x str relic supported wankers for ages, however i been zerged by 3xpower relic supported wankers for just as long. And you really want to go into a class balance discussion then go ahead, however it will have to contain more then just stealth classes as they dont balance class:class they look at realm:realm, and though we know they greatly screwed this up every realm got some totally overpowered classes.

 

[Puppet]

And if hibs werent in 6+ stealth group from 11am till 3pm then maybe the alb stealth groups wouldnt form quite as fast? Cant say it werent but it something to consider. Albs get fed up being zerged as much as hibs do and as such the more you zerg them the more quicker they will group up.

HAHAHAHA.

Wait.

HAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

It seems you got *no clue* about the current stealther-thing on Prydwen. I do not blame you; you dont play a stealther (much).

You dont understand the reason why Alb stealthers zerg. Its not because they got zerged, its simply because they CAN.

Thats the sole and only reason. You can entirely *EMPTY* Emain Macha from every Hib and Mid and you will STILL see Haanaah, Aim, Tip, Claudio, Scouse, Garrak, Thefeared at AMG adding as soon as SOMETHING comes within clip-range.

It is in their nature. Those guys would suck if they played Hibernia too, dont get me wrong. Its just they picked Albion on startup.

You can add Vanguar, Got, Aldoran etc etc on the list; they clicked a different icon on startup but its the same shite players.

We zerg 'because we can' attitude. Read the latest thread from aldoran on this board to understand what I mean.

Hibs, due to population and the run to emain are not in the same position to 'zerg'.. We arrive all at different times in Emain (release on dead --> walk to Emain not porting) and hence less zerging.

People like Thefeared cannot do anything different then 'camping AMG'.. See him on his sorc; guess what he does.... hang around at AMG and add on everything.

 

[VidX]

lol funny thread, an Alb whining about Hib stealth zergs? lol

Try rolling a scout for the sole purpose of getting True Sight and checking the amg yourself for a change. Most of the time it's impossible to count the alb stealthers there.

Like 2 hours ago for example. There's 2 (TWO!) Hib stealthers in Emain, 2 groups running about, 2 semi-random alb groups running about, and 2 FULL GROUPS of alb stealthers sitting at amg.

Same thing as Puppet says, same names, same assholes who sit like chickens at the milegate, hit FZ and PS if it looks like they are losing, and add on every fucking thing that moves. I've watched it and been on the receiving end of it enough times.

Get a fucking grip Grobo, and there is no way in hell ANY Alb can whine about another realms stealthers zerging, ESPECIALLY not one who wins most their fights due to the usual stealther adds. And yes, I'm talking about you Grobo, but I can also say that for most of the Albs running in Emain for the past year as well.

Yes, avoid amg, I usually do with my Ranger now, but I sat last night at mmg for nearly an hour watching upwards of 2fg alb stealthers there as well, adding on the 1fg who were camping it for that period. Belxavier and I both were watching it, we both knew each other was there, but it was more fun laughing at the idiotic albs.

 

[xxManiacxx]

between 9.30 and around 12 today was a very good playing time. Lots of solo fights.

 

[Groborthir]

lol funny thread, an Alb whining about Hib stealth zergs? lol

lol, Usp making fun of albs zerging?

Like 2 hours ago for example. There's 2 (TWO!) Hib stealthers in Emain, 2 groups running about, 2 semi-random alb groups running about, and 2 FULL GROUPS of alb stealthers sitting at amg.

Ok m8er, but I wasn't in any of those groups.

Same thing as Puppet says, same names, same assholes who sit like chickens at the milegate, hit FZ and PS if it looks like they are losing, and add on every fucking thing that moves. I've watched it and been on the receiving end of it enough times.

Ok m8er, but that's not me.

Get a fucking grip Grobo, and there is no way in hell ANY Alb can whine about another realms stealthers zerging, ESPECIALLY not one who wins most their fights due to the usual stealther adds. And yes, I'm talking about you Grobo, but I can also say that for most of the Albs running in Emain for the past year as well.

Righto. First off, I can whine about what the hell I want. If I get jumped by 8 stealthers I'll whine, and don't give me bollocks about "an alb whining about another realm's stealthers zerging", because I'm not one of those retards camping AMG. I'm the retard who tries to solo, and in an attempt to get through AMG I get to eat grass thanks to 8 hib stealthers. Secondly, you know jack shit about me, the groups I'm in and whether or not we win due to stealther adds or not, because the only times I've fought your group where you haven't either been zerging or planted your big feet in AMG room are less than notable.

Yes, avoid amg,

Sort of hard when I, like other albs, sort of have to go through the damn thing to get anywhere, no?

I usually do with my Ranger now, but I sat last night at mmg for nearly an hour watching upwards of 2fg alb stealthers there as well, adding on the 1fg who were camping it for that period. Belxavier and I both were watching it, we both knew each other was there, but it was more fun laughing at the idiotic albs.

Ok m8er, but I wasn't there.

 

[Tesla Monkor]

There is no such thing as a 'solo' sorc, and anyone who runs solo knows better than to mess with sorcs anyway.

 

[Mandi]

but hey, it's Emain, I'm asking for it.
Q_Q

Why whine if you know the answer already?

 

[Dorin]

oh and as for you, sure you may got ganked by 3x str relic supported wankers for ages, however i been zerged by 3xpower relic supported wankers for just as long. And you really want to go into a class balance discussion then go ahead, however it will have to contain more then just stealth classes as they dont balance class:class they look at realm:realm, and though we know they greatly screwed this up every realm got some totally overpowered classes.

i was talkin bout stealth classes as you can see my post was related to puppet's not much above mine. And tell me, why would mythic balance stealth classes on the "realm:realm" theory when they DONT GET A FOOKING grp ever (k xpect mincer, but that class is a joke in stealthwars on regular servers anyways, even with toa imo.).

They dont balance them at all instead, only took a "few" months to nerf shadowzerkurs, nerf dragonf33l and nerf of ze ap3shade.

Btw tha, found 3 power relics very useful on my ranger and ns, especially against 3 str relic powered infil zurg xD

 

[Dreami]

Play Excal and be saved

 

[Dorin]

Play Excal and be saved

off with yo random roleplayer

 

[Corran]

i was talkin bout stealth classes as you can see my post was related to puppet's not much above mine. And tell me, why would mythic balance stealth classes on the "realm:realm" theory when they DONT GET A FOOKING grp ever (k xpect mincer, but that class is a joke in stealthwars on regular servers anyways, even with toa imo.).

They dont balance them at all instead, only took a "few" months to nerf shadowzerkurs, nerf dragonf33l and nerf of ze ap3shade.

Btw tha, found 3 power relics very useful on my ranger and ns, especially against 3 str relic powered infil zurg xD

1)i find 3 str relics helpful on sorc. honest.
2) 1 ns and 2 rangers in odins group today with non stealthers.
3) Stealthers dont fight just stealthers and as such need to be balanced with non stealthers so that they dont grossly overpower them. No matter how much it denied they got a great advantage infact, to much in many ways.
4) Any changes will have to be made over a long period. Look at asd etc, hell hibs still good at abusing insta debuff interupts, and it be months before any of that is fixed, not surprised that it took ages for stealther nerfs.
5) RA's greatly make balance even more issue and always will. Good idea but makes the powerful too strong in many ways forcing the randoms/casual gamer at a massive disadvantage. (just making this note due to the AP3shade comment)

 

[Dorin]

1)i find 3 str relics helpful on sorc. honest.
2) 1 ns and 2 rangers in odins group today with non stealthers.
3) Stealthers dont fight just stealthers and as such need to be balanced with non stealthers so that they dont grossly overpower them. No matter how much it denied they got a great advantage infact, to much in many ways.
4) Any changes will have to be made over a long period. Look at asd etc, hell hibs still good at abusing insta debuff interupts, and it be months before any of that is fixed, not surprised that it took ages for stealther nerfs.
5) RA's greatly make balance even more issue and always will. Good idea but makes the powerful too strong in many ways forcing the randoms/casual gamer at a massive disadvantage. (just making this note due to the AP3shade comment)

k, wont argue with you then. maybe tomorrow,.

 

[Corran]

k, wont argue with you then. maybe tomorrow,.

heh i look forward to it. Think all in all we may both have valid arguements but tainted by personal points of view

Though of course im never wrong

 

[Puppet]

3) Stealthers dont fight just stealthers and as such need to be balanced with non stealthers so that they dont grossly overpower them. No matter how much it denied they got a great advantage infact, to much in many ways.

Seriously; every stealther prepares a fight against a sorc VERY thorough. You got 2 forms of CC (so Purge is fun but its not great againsts sorcs).. Sorcs got NASTY debuffs which lower my WS more then the average SB does with his enervating/disease combo. Sorcs got a pet which alone can kill me if its buffed and ML9-sorc. Sorcs nuke for shitloads (400-700 on a stealther without body resist buffs up) and they get healed by the nuke. Their dps including mine is about 4-5x mine excluding pet, they got same AF as me; about same'ish as me if they can find the red insta str/con debuff, they got often brittle guards and last but not least a bladeturn.

Realmrank for realmrank I prefer to fight an assassin over a sorc.

4) Any changes will have to be made over a long period. Look at asd etc, hell hibs still good at abusing insta debuff interupts, and it be months before any of that is fixed, not surprised that it took ages for stealther nerfs.

?! In the meantime sorcs received the best baseline spell in game, received due to TOA about 10% cast-speed, 10% dmg-boost and ~15-20% extra damage from resist piercing. A sorc as equipped as my ranger gained 50% (!!) more damage or so (!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

5) RA's greatly make balance even more issue and always will. Good idea but makes the powerful too strong in many ways forcing the randoms/casual gamer at a massive disadvantage. (just making this note due to the AP3shade comment)

AP3 is a non-issue if you fight a sorc. Hell I dont even have AP anymore since its almost useless in TOA when you can get AP2 for free and at the same time AE do a AP -2 on the enemy

 

[Eden]

"Hib stealthers, scum of the earth" - You Natzi!

"Evex and his bumchums"! - Hehehehehe

Thats all i have to say really..

 

[Ilum]

Seriously; every stealther prepares a fight against a sorc VERY thorough. You got 2 forms of CC (so Purge is fun but its not great againsts sorcs).. Sorcs got NASTY debuffs which lower my WS more then the average SB does with his enervating/disease combo. Sorcs got a pet which alone can kill me if its buffed and ML9-sorc. Sorcs nuke for shitloads (400-700 on a stealther without body resist buffs up) and they get healed by the nuke. Their dps including mine is about 4-5x mine excluding pet, they got same AF as me; about same'ish as me if they can find the red insta str/con debuff, they got often brittle guards and last but not least a bladeturn.

Realmrank for realmrank I prefer to fight an assassin over a sorc.



?! In the meantime sorcs received the best baseline spell in game, received due to TOA about 10% cast-speed, 10% dmg-boost and ~15-20% extra damage from resist piercing. A sorc as equipped as my ranger gained 50% (!!) more damage or so (!!!!!!!!!!!!!)



AP3 is a non-issue if you fight a sorc. Hell I dont even have AP anymore since its almost useless in TOA when you can get AP2 for free and at the same time AE do a AP -2 on the enemy

Corran spoke generally tho, you're comparing stealthers to possibly the best stealther-killing caster there is?

 

[Sagano]

such whine try playing a normal melee class out there these days

 

[Corran]

Corran spoke generally tho, you're comparing stealthers to possibly the best stealther-killing caster there is?

nah spirit cabby still the best stealther killing class

And that was just a short list of generalised thoughts. Could go on forever with realm balance because there is none, just aint worth it as everyone prefers to taint their views then to have look at the issues from outside the box.

 

[Sobek]

/bg join Groborthire for Stealthzergs and Relic raids! all should say this frequently in Sauvage

 

[Zedenz]

 

[Araudry]

Then from about 13:00 CET till 06:00 AM CET the Albs take it over with about the double numbers.

But hey its the lame Hibs camping AMG with 4-8 !!!!

Its never Scouse, Aim, Tip, Quindexter, Thefeared, Samac, Neutralized, Haanaah, Baldir, Feathers, Claudio, Skizm, Arauddry, Kklas , Asharith, Mithirdatis, Robber, Drakulv, Garrak, Samac, Jix, Jiv, Jiq, Quindexter, Wings, Shaques, Devlinn, Speeeedygonzales, Mezmeralda, Euinar.

Nope never those...

never camped amg and i m always duo/solo so stop posting ur bullshit already
but its bit hard to see when u zerg solo/duo ppl with 1 guild group and ts on

funny i never see any ss with me zerging on its just cause i never do it !