I just don't understand this.

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Can anyone explain (apologies if I misundertstood the article) how someone who does this gets a 10 year sentence, then it's immediately halved, but she only has to serve 3 years before she is let out?

Three tortured shed captive until he died - Times Online
From The Times July 10, 2007

Three tortured shed captive until he died
Simon de Bruxelles
A man died after being kept prisoner in a shed for four months and treated like a dog, a court was told yesterday.

Kevin Davies, 29, was beaten daily and forced to eat potato peelings while his captors used his benefit money to pay off a debt that they claimed he owed them. His ordeal came to light when he collapsed and paramedics found that his body was malnourished and covered in injuries.

The three people who kept him prisoner and tortured him until his death at their home in Bream, Gloucestershire, were given long jail sentences at Bristol Crown Court. David Lehane, 35, and his girlfriend Amanda Baggus, 26, were each sentenced to ten years. A friend, Scott Andrews, also 26, was jailed for nine years.

The court was told that Mr Davies was locked in the shed after overturning a Reliant Robin car that belonged to Lehane and Baggus. During his imprisonment Mr Davies, who was severely epileptic, was forced to make a videotaped “confession” in which he thanked his captors for treating him well.

Police arrested the three on suspicion of murder after finding the video and a diary that detailed the abuse.

Murder charges were dropped because prosecutors were unable to prove that Mr Davies’s epilepsy did not contribute to his death. All three defendants pleaded guilty to assault and false imprisonment.

Judge Charles Gray told them: “The treatment Kevin Davies was subjected to at your hands was truly horrendous and completely inhumane. Your victim was vulnerable and gullible and you befriended him when he was down on his luck.

“You helped yourselves to his money and you imprisoned him in a shed. There was joint responsibility for what happened.”

Ian Pringle, for the prosecution, said that the last few weeks of Mr Davies’s life “must have been miserable and completely inhumane”. He said: “He had been abused, he had been assaulted and he had been beaten. He had been kept like a dog and locked in a shed at night.”

Mr Davies had been a longstanding friend of Lehane, a landscape gardener, and helped him with odd jobs. He was imprisoned after he damaged the car in May last year. Mr Pringle said: “It seems Amanda Baggus felt Kevin Davies owed her money and that was a good enough reason to keep him at their address, where she would help herself to his social security money to pay household bills and debts.”

Baggus recorded the abuse in a diary. One entry, dated August 5, said: “He was playing up last nite, banging in the shed. So later that nite both Scott and Dave hit Prick until quite late, cause Prick made a load of shouting.”

Paramedics were called to the house on September 26, where they found Mr Davies unconscious. Mr Pringle said that there was extensive bruising and burn marks that a pathologist said could have been caused by a hot knife. Bloodstains were found in the garden shed, the kitchen, the lounge and on a wooden pole used to beat him.

After the hearing, Chief Inspector Jeff Brookes, of Gloucestershire Constabulary, who led the investigation, said: “This is possibly the worst case of mental and physical abuse I have ever seen.”

Elizabeth James, Mr Davies’s mother, said: “I just can’t believe that anybody could be so cruel. It just seems unreal. I just don’t know how they got away with it for so long.”
 

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Every single day there are similar stories of people committing the most henious of crimes and getting off lightly. Its disgusting.
 

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I'm not shocked or surprised by this, the human capability for things like this is quite common.

Also every day people get off far easier for far worse, so no news there either.

"Keep your head down and keep on walking" seems to be the way these days. Not to mention control of anger being key to survival. If you f*ck with someone, chances are you'll get f*cked.

Doesn't make it right, ofcourse not, but just seems the way people are.
 

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Every single day there are similar stories of people committing the most henious of crimes and getting off lightly. Its disgusting.

According to some people on this frum, the justice system is working fine and we should all just accept it as it is.

I say bollocks, bring back executions, and penal colonies for the really evil ones.
 

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According to some people on this frum, the justice system is working fine and we should all just accept it as it is.

I say bollocks, bring back executions, and penal colonies for the really evil ones.

Tougher penalties would work, if the justice system also was increasingly sure of guilt.

As it is though, i wouldn't want an innocent man to hang over a technicality, false information or a judge keen on hanging people.
 

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According to some people on this frum, the justice system is working fine and we should all just accept it as it is.

I say bollocks, bring back executions, and penal colonies for the really evil ones.



Ofc they should, if the justice system was 100% accurate. The only problem is, it isn't and never will be. Or would a family member wrongly convicted and put to death not be a problem? Collateral damage?
 

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Ofc they should, if the justice system was 100% accurate. The only problem is, it isn't and never will be. Or would a family member wrongly convicted and put to death not be a problem? Collateral damage?

It will never ever be 100% accurate, nothing in life is. Certainly beats the shit out of reading these types of stories again and again, so yea i would put it down as an acceptable price.
 

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It wouldn't stop the crimes, no matter what the penalty, the crimes will happen.

It's not like they do crimes and expect to be caught.

It would dispose of a few more criminals via death penalty, but it would also dispose of a few innocent people.

I don't particulary like the idea that i could be wrongly judged and killed because of it.
 

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According to some people on this frum, the justice system is working fine and we should all just accept it as it is.

I say bollocks, bring back executions, and penal colonies for the really evil ones.

It's not perfect, but it's a damned sight better than what you suggest. The cost alone of what you want is ridiculous. I certainly won't pay higher taxes for it.

You don't even live in the UK anymore do you? I'd take UK "western justice" over anything the Eastern world has to offer thanks.
 

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I quite agree, have you seen the price of rocks these days? Ghastly i tell you.
 

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They have a good system of capital punishment in Japan. UK Courts are too lenient.
 

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It's not perfect, but it's a damned sight better than what you suggest. The cost alone of what you want is ridiculous. I certainly won't pay higher taxes for it.

You don't even live in the UK anymore do you? I'd take UK "western justice" over anything the Eastern world has to offer thanks.

Sorry to piss on your parade but executing criminals is neither an Easter or a Western form of justice nor are penal colonies either. 2nd what does me deciding to work /live outside of the UK have to do with anything? The way you are saying it seems to imply that i should either not have an opinion or not be entitled to one? Please elaborate?

As for it being more expensive, yes you are right because we seem to give far too much attention to human rights for people that clearly have no idea of what human rights are.
 

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I say bollocks, bring back executions, and penal colonies for the really evil ones.

Neither is going to stop ppl from committing crimes. Isn't USA the prime example of that?

If anything death penalties makes criminals even more ruthless, because if they have done something that will get them the chair, you can bet that they will do anything to not get caught.
 

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Sorry to piss on your parade but executing criminals is neither an Easter or a Western form of justice nor are penal colonies either. 2nd what does me deciding to work /live outside of the UK have to do with anything? The way you are saying it seems to imply that i should either not have an opinion or not be entitled to one? Please elaborate?

As for it being more expensive, yes you are right because we seem to give far too much attention to human rights for people that clearly have no idea of what human rights are.

he's a tory, its a common aloof trait amongst his ilk, but hey we knew that. best not to goad the little man, his sycophantic mates will be on ya back ASAP.

Penal colony on some remote scottish island sounds good.
 

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If death penalties, work camps & longer sentences worked as a deterrent for crime the US would have a lower crimerate than any European country.

They don't, infact they have an absurdly high rate of criminals and inmates - and when they do get released(if ever) they are very likely to commit crimes again because that's literally all they know.
 

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As always, the solution lies in preventing crime, not killing everyone who pokes a badger in the wrong way.
 

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The solution is to allow guns / swords / sticks / stones or any sort of arms to be carried anywhere, for protection. So if someone tries something..
 

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hmm personally i don't see the death penalty as a method of deterring criminals but it sure as shit stops them from reoffending. I hate when you see some fucker just out of prison and then goes on to commit even worse crimes.

and I liked the point someone made earlier about how our legal system places too higher value on the human rights of those who care nothing for the human rights of others. However, then we get into the whole debate about stooping to 'their level' and how someone has to set a standard etc etc, if it really was that easy to set a workable justice system we'd have one by now.
 

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The solution is to allow guns / swords / sticks / stones or any sort of arms to be carried anywhere, for protection. So if someone tries something..

The problem is that the criminal knows this aswell and will react accordingly. See the USA for reference.

Make a free for all based economy, eliminate addictions and cure mental illnesses. Would be a pretty boring place though and there probibly will still be crime.
 

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There's always going to be crime, look at the planet we live in.

Everything will either try to bum you, kill you or eat you. Not necessarily in that order.

If you have something, someone wants it. No matter how civilized the world is.
 

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