i figure it might be time to stop the 'we only run in 1 fg' attitude we all have

[Pandemic]

the changes in 1.66j suggest that mythic are going to force u to run in multi-fg's to get decent rp's.

might be an idea if nearer the time ( couple of months or so i guess) our guilds start to co-operate a bit more and run together

be interesting to see how it all turns out

 

[schinkaar]

If they try to minimize the individuals impact on RvR, why whould any individual need to practice it? The entire point of this is to give the casual gamers/n00bs/gimps more RvR oppertunity. I fail to see how they can do this and keep any skill in the game. But who knows maybe its alot more fun that way for everyone

 

[Madkobold]

Originally posted by Pandemic
the changes in 1.66j suggest that mythic are going to force u to run in multi-fg's to get decent rp's.

might be an idea if nearer the time ( couple of months or so i guess) our guilds start to co-operate a bit more and run together

be interesting to see how it all turns out

Couldn't agree more, the zerg will continue no matter if we like it or not.

What I fail to see is why it takes less skill by the individual if there are 3fg vs 3fg rather the 1fg vas 1fg ? For sure it takes a lot more skill to organize an effective 3fg vs 3fg fight i would think.
The skill is still needed by the individual isn't it more of a tactic change ?

My feeling is that the highly skilled rvr grp's will really make a difference for mid in larger scale battles.

 

[Weeping Willow]

It's impossible to play good in 3fg vs 3fg because of the lag and mythic already said that they thought the lag wasn't a problem.

Hope they make it so that you have to run more than 1fg vs 1fg, would be a good day for me to quit daoc and do something else.

 

[Madkobold]

Originally posted by aginamist
It's impossible to play good in 3fg vs 3fg because of the lag and mythic already said that they thought the lag wasn't a problem.

Hope they make it so that you have to run more than 1fg vs 1fg, would be a good day for me to quit daoc and do something else.

aah I see ur point and have to agree, with /effects none the lag isn't that bad but still a problem though.

 

[envenom]

maybe its time for ppl to get a better pc?

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Madkobold
aah I see ur point and have to agree, with /effects none the lag isn't that bad but still a problem though.

i dont want to have to run with no effects jsut to enjoy the game, i enjoy it now thx.

zergplay u can jsut /stick and no need to play

 

[nott]

hmm... if I'm reading this correctly. The battlegroups introduced in 1.66j is only for multigroups being able to get "quest completed".

Quote from 1.66j:
"Experience will still be given out based on your immediate group."

So this shouldn't have impact on rvr as i see it.

 

[schinkaar]

Re: Re: i figure it might be time to stop the 'we only run in 1 fg' attitude we all have

Originally posted by Madkobold
Couldn't agree more, the zerg will continue no matter if we like it or not.

What I fail to see is why it takes less skill by the individual if there are 3fg vs 3fg rather the 1fg vas 1fg ? For sure it takes a lot more skill to organize an effective 3fg vs 3fg fight i would think.
The skill is still needed by the individual isn't it more of a tactic change ?

My feeling is that the highly skilled rvr grp's will really make a difference for mid in larger scale battles.

The difference is your healing is more or less reduced by 1/3rd,
The importance of you doing a good CC job is reduced, the effects of given job is reduced. Due to the higher amount of tanks there is little need to assist at all, this reduces the effects of healing aswell. So unless you make these zerg groups to be just bigger groups, adapt the RvR system to these new groups there will be very little skill in the game.

On the other hand if there will be skill in it, a perfect setup will exist, a perfects playstyle will exist and RvR guilds will still strive towards this. That translates into the casual gamer/n00b/gimp being told to FO once again, or go zerg with the other useless players and be farmed by the RvR guilds. More or less the same situation as we have today, except u couldnt even zerg to stop the RvR guilds from steamrolling everything.

Unless there is some fundamental changes to the RvR system (like rr5+ go one zone, and rr5- go another zone), I dont see how you could unite these two conditions. And since mythic havent showed anything its only plausible they cant either.

 

[Spix]

Only skill in this games group rvr is the one who collect best possible group setup gets the rp or the one that can be arsed to sit around at TK waiting for the last fotm savage.
There is no skill in having 2-3 healers one skald 1 shaman rest savages, everyone know that it is the most effective setup if you want an easy way to rr10.
The only remotly thing that can be called skill in that setup is what the pac healer does and when he does it.

And no I cant think of anything in Daoc that can be concidered as skill, experience yes, skill no. There is a few buttons that has to be pressed, even a chimp can be instructed to press 5 different buttons.


just get it.

 

[xrn]

Originally posted by envenom
maybe its time for ppl to get a better pc?

I got a P4 2.4@3.0 GHz with Hyperthreading, Radeon 9700 Pro, 512 Mb. pc3500 Ram and i got lag when theres many ppl on the screen.

 

[shatar]

First thx for the quadro post Spix. Second, your wrong. There is something called skill in this game. Just because you have 3 healers, 1 shammy, 1 skald and 3 savages doesn't mean you will automatically win. There is a huge difference between skilled ppl and ppl with less skill in this game. At least imo, and from what I have seen.
Third. I don't see this as a way to promote "zerging". It's a way to take credit for huge quests, that will be something quite usual in ToA if I am correct. I don't see this as an RvR edition. But only time will tell.

 

[Bure Ygg]

Xrn...... and what typ of harddrives do you have ? for harddrives are really important too so you know for the access time can make a huge differance

 

[Spix]

Originally posted by shatar
First thx for the quadro post Spix. Second, your wrong. There is something called skill in this game. Just because you have 3 healers, 1 shammy, 1 skald and 3 savages doesn't mean you will automatically win. There is a huge difference between skilled ppl and ppl with less skill in this game. At least imo, and from what I have seen.

Not automaticly win, but it has been showed that taking fresh powerleveled above classes and forming perma group or call it fotm guild if you like is working pretty well.

Ofc some people will win in most situation when the odds is on their side with even numbers etc, but that is experience and good group setup.
Skill is not /stick /assist.


Think about it , you swing your axe against someone, but what can you actualy affect in the swing ? either you miss or you hit. The game itself do all the things that could be considered as skill like aiming or blocking. Thats why having best items is one of the things affecting the outcome in a fight atleast one on one.
Picking correct target is experience aswell and not skill.

 

[schinkaar]

Originally posted by Spix
Not automaticly win, but it has been showed that taking fresh powerleveled above classes and forming perma group or call it fotm guild if you like is working pretty well.

Ofc some people will win in most situation when the odds is on their side with even numbers etc, but that is experience and good group setup.
Skill is not /stick /assist.


Think about it , you swing your axe against someone, but what can you actualy affect in the swing ? either you miss or you hit. The game itself do all the things that could be considered as skill like aiming or blocking. Thats why having best items is one of the things affecting the outcome in a fight atleast one on one.
Picking correct target is experience aswell and not skill.

Yea most RvR does consist of a huge loop where u check for certain conditions. However the same apply to most games.
Call it skill, experience or whatever aslong as some people are better than others i call them more skilled. You on the other hand are a complete and utter n00b, without skill. Oh, incase ur too dumb to understand it; im talking about the own realm only

 

[Spix]

Originally posted by schinkaar
Yea most RvR does consist of a huge loop where u check for certain conditions. However the same apply to most games.
Call it skill, experience or whatever aslong as some people are better than others i call them more skilled. You on the other hand are a complete and utter n00b, without skill. Oh, incase ur too dumb to understand it; im talking about the own realm only

ok...

/cry

 

[Loveless]

Originally posted by envenom
maybe its time for ppl to get a better pc?

Maybe time for you to quit?

Or atleast start posting usefull stuff you fucking idiot

 

[zmurf]

more than 8 ppl running together = zerg

Bound or not, and as stated earlier, it seem's it's for questing value only, as it clearly say's exp will not be devided among group's but devided by dmg, we can only assume RP will go same way

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by xrn
I got a P4 2.4@3.0 GHz with Hyperthreading, Radeon 9700 Pro, 512 Mb. pc3500 Ram and i got lag when theres many ppl on the screen.

You just couldn't help yourself, goddamn Showoff xrn

 

[xrn]

Originally posted by Bure Ygg
Xrn...... and what typ of harddrives do you have ? for harddrives are really important too so you know for the access time can make a huge differance

I got a Seagate 160 gb SATA, 7200 rpm.

zmurf whine

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by xrn
I got a P4 2.4@3.0 GHz with Hyperthreading, Radeon 9700 Pro, 512 Mb. pc3500 Ram and i got lag when theres many ppl on the screen.

Bit low on the Ram imo.

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by xrn
I got a Seagate 160 gb SATA, 7200 rpm.

zmurf whine

Ull be the one whinning, when i send u home from lan without ur comp ...

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by Pandemic
the changes in 1.66j suggest that mythic are going to force u to run in multi-fg's to get decent rp's.

might be an idea if nearer the time ( couple of months or so i guess) our guilds start to co-operate a bit more and run together

be interesting to see how it all turns out

never occured to you that people play fg cause its more fun then zerg?

Oh, and spix.. if you ever meet a good alb fg when you using 3 savages, the replace 1 savage with 1 good warrior (read good. mikhail,somberlain,jawz) and face the same alb group again, then you will see that 3 savages aint the best setup.

 

[punj]

yeah spix it's really not as easy as /stick /assist. Pac healer is the only one using skills?
ask any aug/mend healer how easy it is to play in such a group,they don't just stand uninterupted and spam spreadheal you know.

 

[Pandemic]

Re: Re: i figure it might be time to stop the 'we only run in 1 fg' attitude we all have

Originally posted by old.Lethul
never occured to you that people play fg cause its more fun then zerg?

Oh, and spix.. if you ever meet a good alb fg when you using 3 savages, the replace 1 savage with 1 good warrior (read good. mikhail,somberlain,jawz) and face the same alb group again, then you will see that 3 savages aint the best setup.

i wouldnt know about more than 1fg i usually run in 1 fg only as my pc cant handle more than that to well

k i assume thats a comment directed at me not being a good warrior care to explain ?

either that or ur hostile attitude to me ?

 

[eyeznp]

Originally posted by xrn
I got a P4 2.4@3.0 GHz with Hyperthreading, Radeon 9700 Pro, 512 Mb. pc3500 Ram and i got lag when theres many ppl on the screen.

hehe, u just need more RAM

 

[Pandemic]

mmm i got a 1.2 ghz pc and a 700 mhz pc. think i might need to upgrade.

 

[rg-zorena]

Originally posted by Pandemic
the changes in 1.66j suggest that mythic are going to force u to run in multi-fg's to get decent rp's.

might be an idea if nearer the time ( couple of months or so i guess) our guilds start to co-operate a bit more and run together

be interesting to see how it all turns out

why run anything more then 1fg when 1fg is the most fun?

 

[Driwen]

Re: Re: i figure it might be time to stop the 'we only run in 1 fg' attitude we all have

Originally posted by rg-zorena
why run anything more then 1fg when 1fg is the most fun?

that it is the most fun to you, doesnt mean it is the most fun for other people even if they could manage to pwn almost everyone in the game.

 

[agon]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
i dont want to have to run with no effects jsut to enjoy the game, i enjoy it now thx.

zergplay u can jsut /stick and no need to play