I bet it was a lolcat after this!

[Thorwyn]

Nobody has said that you should do that. What i said was that you shouldnt be so self-righteous about this particular incident considering that you do the same thing all the time. You're cruel to animals for your own enjoyment.

You´re a retard.
Now welcome to my ignore list.

 

[Huntingtons]

but its true. raising an animal will give you 10% of the diet you throw in it. so 1 ton of grain turns into 100 kgs of meat. Then you have the waste products which arent used (although there isnt alot of a pig that isnt used).
Protein and Carbon hydrates have around the same energy. fat and alcohol has more than double that. those 2 arent that healthy im large quantities (neither is carbs, proteins can be eaten more or less as you please). Its easy to find the proteins and fat you need in order to survive in veggies. Its alot harder to find the Minerals/vitamins you need in meat only.
Its not entertainment per se to eat meat. But its definitly not because you need to.

 

[kirennia]

Those vegetarians are stick thin because they dont eat enough vegetables. Not because they eat nothing but vegetables. You can survive just fine on a vegetarian diet which has been proven countless times therefore you dont need meat which means that eating meat is entertainment.

Yes you can live fine off of a veggie diet. You however aren't as healthy as if you eat meat . I'm not going to go and dig up sources about this, it's a fact that our bodies are designed around being omnivores, just look at our teeth and without suppliments which in themselves are bad for you, you wont get the same minerals from vegetables alone.

I can't remember the name of the study but it included a group of female martial experts who all ate meat and as part of the experiement, cut meat from their diet for a month. The results were that with the same calorie intake, they lost between 5 and 10% endurance each.

I'll grant the fact that most people don't eat meat because of this, for many it's more for the taste and convenience but that said, for people who don't have the time to constantly think about suppliments and their diet, they will be healthier as a result of incorporating meat into their diet... Just like people who eat more fish will improve their IQ. It's not a case of pushing yourself to be stronger then an ox or smarter then einstein, it's just the lazy, healthier option (I would bring up the counter argument being certain meat groups and their links to cancer but tbh, statistics can show anything... apples are bad for you too apparently).


A nice comparison would be going out and killing a sheep then walking away, or killing the sheep then eating it. There is a large difference.

 

[Huntingtons]

you might want to add they'd be healthier incorporating healthy meat (as theres alot of really bad meat on the marked)

/edit

i also want to point out that my point was not the killing of animals - but their treatment untill the butchering occurs.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Can not atleast admit some people need to eat meat due to their requirements not getting enough from non meat lifestyle?

Actually dont answer that, your hell bent on thinking your opinion is correct and fuck anyone who says otherwise

Okay i suppose there might be some people out there who really do need to eat meat for medical reasons to survive but you're not of them. So what does that have to do with this?

Im hell bent on thinking my opinion is correct when the person im debating it with doesnt come up with a single good argument. And even more so when he ends the debate like you just did.

You´re a retard.
Now welcome to my ignore list.

l0l0l

 

[Bugz]

No Gorb, you think your right because you ignore the good arguments others make and focus on the bad ones.

You'd make a good Politician and no, that isn't a good thing!

 

[Laddey]

pigs sure taste good, so do lambs, and big fat juicy cows. Heck, even the odd pidgeon or duck is rather tasty mmm

 

[Bugz]

nevermind.

 

[Laddey]

nevermind.

your missus reminds me of a pig tbh



<3

 

[Bugz]

Laddey you fuckin wankstain, grow a pair of balls you failure at insulting.

 

[gohan]

Tell you what, we'll give you a sedative to make you as helpless and unable to resist as that kitten and then we'll stick you in a small box, seal it up and smoke half a kilo of coke through it. Sound good to you? Didn't think so, so why is it alright to do it to the cat?

If this is an example of how you think I pity the people who chose to spend their free time with you.

if he doesnt want to can i? sounds like a good night in

 

[Laddey]

Laddey you fuckin wankstain, grow a pair of balls you failure at insulting.

haha must spread more rep

 

[Huntingtons]

pigs sure taste good, so do lambs, and big fat juicy cows. Heck, even the odd pidgeon or duck is rather tasty mmm

gah. wanted to find the porkie scene from pulp fiction =(

 

[old.Tohtori]

Killing a pig for food is entertainment. It would be cheaper and healthier to eat vegetables but we feed those vegetables to the pig and then eat it because it tastes better. In the same way putting a cat in box/bong is entertainment. Not the kind that tastes good, but the kind that makes you laugh if you're a) stoned b) a little fucked up in the head.

If you kill the pig just to have a laugh, it's bad.

If you kill the pig for food or leather clothes(?), it's alright.

Simple as that.

If you think killing a pig for food is entertainment, you're one sick motherf'cker.

VEgetables would keep you alive, but it wouldn't be as good.

Blood type defines what's good for you, what gives you energy, what keeps you going.

Humans have evolved to herbi, omni and carnivores.

 

[Sparx]

Im hell bent on thinking my opinion is correct when the person im debating it with doesnt come up with a single good argument. And even more so when he ends the debate like you just did.

What you on about? what about my example i went through as a kid about rearing and killing an animal. You think that was done out of entertainment? Rather than seeing the other side of the arguement your just closing your eyes and digging your feet in. I have admitted yes people do eat meat for entertainment but its deeper than that, you seem to think people kill animals purely for sport

 

[Aoami]

Tohtori you clownshoe, have you never heard of vitamin supplements?

Eating meat has no physical benefit, cos everything it does can be recreated in pill form.

Still tastes nice though.

 

[Gorbachioo]

If you kill the pig just to have a laugh, it's bad.

If you kill the pig for food or leather clothes(?), it's alright.

Simple as that.

If you think killing a pig for food is entertainment, you're one sick motherf'cker.

VEgetables would keep you alive, but it wouldn't be as good.

Blood type defines what's good for you, what gives you energy, what keeps you going.

Humans have evolved to herbi, omni and carnivores.

Why do i even bother replying to you... I'll explain this one more time: We dont need to eat meat (vegetarians) and its cheaper and better for us to eat vegetables (perhaps a few grams of meat every day would be better but thats besides the point) therefore meat is entertainment. Atleast its what i define as entertainment. Im sure you have your own definition.

Leather and so on is a different matter but most of the animals we kill are just for eating so thats irrelevant.

No Gorb, you think your right because you ignore the good arguments others make and focus on the bad ones.

You'd make a good Politician and no, that isn't a good thing!

Show me one good argument in this conversation. (That i didnt say -,-)

 

[Gorbachioo]

What you on about? what about my example i went through as a kid about rearing and killing an animal. You think that was done out of entertainment? Rather than seeing the other side of the arguement your just closing your eyes and digging your feet in. I have admitted yes people do eat meat for entertainment but its deeper than that, you seem to think people kill animals purely for sport

You still havent given me any reason not to believe that we dont kill animals "purely for sport". If the story was it then i didnt get it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Why do i even bother replying to you... I'll explain this one more time: We dont need to eat meat (vegetarians) and its cheaper and better for us to eat vegetables (perhaps a few grams of meat every day would be better but thats besides the point) therefore meat is entertainment. Atleast its what i define as entertainment. Im sure you have your own definition.

Leather and so on is a different matter but most of the animals we kill are just for eating so thats irrelevant.

Nice way to ignore all said.

It's not "irrelevant" by the way, it enforces my point.

For meat or animal produce, it's ok, without, it's not.

 

[Sparx]

You still havent given me any reason not to believe that we dont kill animals "purely for sport". If the story was it then i didnt get it.

then i am no longer bothing this conversation with you, all thats going to happen is we go round in circles and someone ends up looking like a cnut

 

[kirennia]

(perhaps a few grams of meat every day would be better but thats besides the point)

So the truth which nullifies your argument completely is irrelevant? I don't think anyone here suggests that all meat eaten is done so purely out of health benefits but once again, as soon as anyone brings up this fact, you completely ignore it and make eveyone out to be saying what you want them to say.

The point is, meat is very good at keeping you healthy and suppliments just don't do the job in the same way to replace lost minerals from going back on what nature intended us to devour. Okay so some people will go and eat scallops or duck because it tastes nice but they're still providing an essential part of a healthy balanced diet.

And you can't suggest only eating one type of meat just as you wouldn't eat one type of vegetable because it's extremely bad for you.

edit: Oh and you completely disregarded my previous post explaining on a study which was taken to show the effects of eating meat as part of a diet.

 

[noblok]

I've actually gone to a dietician before becoming a vegetarian and she said that a vegetarian diet is actually healthier than one containing meat. I only had to pay some attention to make sure I get enough vitamins B12 (milk) and D (sunlight) as well as iodine (enriched salt) and iron (certain vegetables).

 

[Lucius]

Who is saying a vegetarian diet is not as healthy as one containing meat? It is well known that the former is much better for you as long as you make up for your lack of protein (which is quite easy).

 

[Bugz]

I like meat because it tastes fuckin good.

I bet a lot of animals feel the same way!

 

[Laddey]

gah. wanted to find the porkie scene from pulp fiction =(

I have yet to watch Pulp Fiction

 

[old.Tohtori]

I like meat because it tastes fuckin good.

I bet a lot of animals feel the same way!

You'll find this interesting.

It's no "scientific site", but i'm betting one can be found with the same info.

Interesting how bloodtype effects what would be better for you to eat.

And when it comes to pills, f*ck pills, i'm eating what nature gives us.

 

[Access Denied]

Lol I love how this has all gone towards entertainment. I don't eat the choicer cuts of meat lol. I eat burgers, sausages and bacon. Also, I'm partial to a lovely Donner Kebob. Personally I can't think of any reason to find eating meat entertaining. I eat what I eat because I'm hungry and I like the fucking taste, I don't see eating a bacon sarnie as a matinee showing.

However, I digress. I will say this to you Gorb, animals killed for food are by and large killed humanely and for the most part instantly. You make it sound like an electric hammer to the brain is just as bad as what that fucking idiot did. There's no comparison. The hammer kills instantly, what that sick shithead did was torture, pure and simple.

 

[Huntingtons]

I have yet to watch Pulp Fiction

you deserve negative rep for this comment alone

 

[Gorbachioo]

So the truth which nullifies your argument completely is irrelevant? I don't think anyone here suggests that all meat eaten is done so purely out of health benefits but once again, as soon as anyone brings up this fact, you completely ignore it and make eveyone out to be saying what you want them to say.

The point is, meat is very good at keeping you healthy and suppliments just don't do the job in the same way to replace lost minerals from going back on what nature intended us to devour. Okay so some people will go and eat scallops or duck because it tastes nice but they're still providing an essential part of a healthy balanced diet.

And you can't suggest only eating one type of meat just as you wouldn't eat one type of vegetable because it's extremely bad for you.

edit: Oh and you completely disregarded my previous post explaining on a study which was taken to show the effects of eating meat as part of a diet.

First of all: what noblok said. We could just ignore this but i'll answer anyway.

If we do need a few grams of meat every day (which according to many here we dont) then it would be okay to eat that couple of grams but we eat alot more than that. What is the extra 500g if not entertainment?

 

[Gorbachioo]

then i am no longer bothing this conversation with you, all thats going to happen is we go round in circles and someone ends up looking like a cnut

I cant remember how many times people have said something like this to me on this forum.

But whats interesting is that when i ask them to point out something that ive ignored they never reply. Im guessing you're not going to either...