Hunter oversight?

[Whisperess]

Does anyone have a link to any official statement as to why Hunters are the only cloth++ ( I would say casters, but I see valewalkers more like a hybrid ) class that can't equip a (small) shield?

At first I thought Scouts were the only archers that could wield a shield, but it seems Rangers can too ( but not spec it ).
How come the same ( wield but not spec ) doesn't apply to Hunters?

Not a whine or anything, just want to know what the reason is to exclude Hunters as the only stealther that can't benefit from the Stealth Lore on Cyclops Eye Shield.
( Before you mention Spear I'll mention Celtic Dual on Rangers. Being a pet class is a reply I could accept, but would still like links to official texts saying that's the reason )

Links to patch notes or grab bags where this is brought up would be most helpful ( as I can't seem to find it ).

Thanks.

 

[Archeon]

Because they can wear studded armour?

Aside from that I think your right about the pet class bit, If I also remember rightly Hunters got a boost to their melee ability along with Warriors to better reflect Midgards apparent classing as 'the melee realm' so that might be another explination.

 

[vintervargen]

ERRRR.

a ranger with cyclops shield? eheheheheh ok mate.

ps. shield aint equippable in either right hand slot nor 2h slot.

 

[Whisperess]

ERRRR.

a ranger with cyclops shield? eheheheheh ok mate.

ps. shield aint equippable in either right hand slot nor 2h slot.

I never said anything about it being most effective or even useful, just saying that they have the ability to do so. It's still beside the point completely.

Thanks Archeon, I just can't help getting curious about details ^^

 

[Zaphira]

Cyclops Eye Shield

Classes that can use: INF, MINS, SCOU, CLER, ARMS, PAL, REAV, FRI, MERC, NS, RANG, DRU, WARD, BARD, HERO, BM, CHA, SB, HEAL, SHA, WAR, THAN, SKLD, BER, SAV



yes a ranger with cyclops eye shield as you can see here..
givf stealth lore to hunters!!

 

[Pin]

givf stealth lore to hunters!!

http://www.visionofsages.net/toa/artifacts/shades.html
http://www.visionofsages.net/toa/artifacts/ring.html
http://www.visionofsages.net/toa/artifacts/goddess.html

 

[Spix]

Being a pet class cant be the reason... just look at the minstrel... can have pet and shield and evade2 and chain and cc and stealth and speed and whatever any other class can use.

We even had evade 1 for a very long time even if evade2 is hardly an improvment since we face dual wielders 99% of the time.

And I agree it is totaly fucked up that hunters are not able to use small shields. Cant see the reason tbh
It would give a reason to spec sword other then the new fancy artifact swords (battler etc).
Rangers get dual wield or small shield and evade3
Scouts get Shield spec!!! and evade 3 + uber bows
hunters get a pet if specced (weakest pet in game) , 2hand weap and evade 2 + worst bows.
Give specline parry since we are a large weapon class

Oh and take a look at spear animation... it is a 1 hand animation left since beta when hunters could use shields and 1 handed "spears".


I wont mention buffs in pathfinding and beastcraft since buffbots make those lines obsolete exept for pet and speed shout...

About the stealth lore on hunters.. why not use ring of dances, stealth lore on lvl5 and easy to exp and get...
http://www.visionofsages.net/toa/artifacts/ring.html

 

[Driwen]

Classes that can use: INF, MINS, SCOU, CLER, ARMS, PAL, REAV, FRI, MERC, NS, RANG, DRU, WARD, BARD, HERO, BM, CHA, SB, HEAL, SHA, WAR, THAN, SKLD, BER, SAV

savages cant use shields, atleast not unless they equip it at lvl 5 and keep it equiped .

and imo there is no real reason to not let have hunters evade 3 and unequiped shield, but they wont get it so not much use to whine about it(note not saying that anyone was doing this here).

 

[vintervargen]

ranger/ns _can_ use it in theory, so what?

equip it and wait 15 mins to get SL, but you will be unable to use dualwield meantime, hmn.

 

[Fatbelly]

think savages also cant use small shield.
would be great to have unspecced small shield like all other stealthers can have when shot by an archer, but i suspect its because mythic hates midgard stealthers, and themselves play alb stealthers and want nice m00 m00 hunters around.

If you play a hunter you learn after a while that hunters never get boosts to be equal to other classes, they get boosts when they are near extinct on most servers, they dont want everyones favorite rp cows to totally disappear.

 

[Whisperess]

think savages also cant use small shield.

Aye, you're right. Just checked on my savage, can't equip small shields, even though the "Shield Ability: Small Shields" still shows under skills
Guess I shouldn't take things for granted just because it says so on the screen ^^

As for Vintervargen, you're trying really hard to twist what I'm saying, aren't you? Does it hurt?

Level 2 btw Driwen.

 

[noaim]

ranger/ns _can_ use it in theory, so what?

equip it and wait 15 mins to get SL, but you will be unable to use dualwield meantime, hmn.

Couldnt you just equip it in your offhand, and duelwieldweaps in mainhand and 2h slot, and still have the timer counting down? Or am I out biking now.

 

[noaim]

Couldnt you just equip it in your offhand, and duelwieldweaps in mainhand and 2h slot, and still have the timer counting down? Or am I out biking now.

Nm. (fucking edit-timer)

 

[Gryrith]

Reason is.

Hunters started off with chain and small shields very early on, before even female chars were around. They then, as others have said, changed the hunter to a more offensive direction.

This is what lead to male hunters holding the spear with just one hand as GOA too lazy to fix, and why female hunters use two hands.

Only way to get small shield is to equip it before level 5 and never remove

 

[vintervargen]

so whisperess, would it be fair to let hunters have cyclops shield equipped for an extra SL when rangers 'cant' and scouts only if they are using it as their main shield?

 

[Whisperess]

so whisperess, would it be fair to let hunters have cyclops shield equipped for an extra SL when rangers 'cant' and scouts only if they are using it as their main shield?

Once again you're trying to twist what I'm saying.

1. This is not a whine thread. It is simply a question since I was curious as to why hunters do not have the ability to equip a shield. ( would make Sword spec hunters a slightly more viable choice, for instance )

2. This is not a whine thread, no matter how much you're trying to turn it into such.

3. This question had nothing in particular to do with "fairness" of using any shield in particular, nor did it have anything at all to do with wether one would want to equip a shield at all. The shield in question was brought up as an example, nothing else.

One could argue about wether it would be fair in respect to the particular shield in question or not, but that's not what this thread about.

Let it go Vintervargen, I'm pretty sure there are other threads you could increase your post/whine count in.


Thanks for the info Gryrith

 

[Shadowen]

The main reason why we have Evade 2 and not 3 - as given by Mythic - (that is the guys who control code - GOA only handles language support), they wanted hunters to be unique, and thus they gave us Evade 2 instead of 3.

A bit of history.

Hunters initially had Chain, Shield, and onehanded spears, which is according to our class description (dunno if it's been changed yet). However early in the game, when there was few lvl 50's, SCing, SI, ToA etc. people in their low 40's would venture in to the frontiers, however a higher level hunter could then wipe entire groups of lvl 40's by sniping, and basically performing 8 one-shots, vanishing after each kill - no restealth timer, and the possibility to crit on a crit shot.

Mythic considered this overpowering, Thus they nerfed Archery damage, Archery drawtimes, Removed Chain From the Hunter, removed our unspecced shields, changed spears to 2-handers only, nerfed archery accuracy, and added See Hidden. While adding SC - max resists on all, SI good items, Alchemy reverse procs, most people now have lvl 50's for RvR, and not lvl 40's.

Mythic unfortunately forgot to compensate hunters for their loss of defeses (chain + shield), and left them at evade 1 for the longest time, they finally wanted to add Evade III to the hunter but decided on Evade II because they wanted hunters to be unqiue.

Not to whine, but the real pity of the whole story is that the orginal hunters (beta version), would actually be relatively well balanced in todays DaoC, with all the counter archery abilities, and damage nerfs. However Mythic seems to have a problem in admitting that they've made mistakes - See Hidden was one very big mistake - and takes forever in addressing issues that they've created.. They're quick to nerf, but very slow to fix things.

regards
shadowen.

 

[Fatbelly]

Yes, it would be fair if hunters could use cyclops shield as a free SL item, since hunters are quite alot weaker than rangers and scouts, will never happen though, mythic HATES hunters.

Even being able to equip a small shield to block arrows would be nice, i know 99% of all stealthers are too lazy to do it, but with high stealther dex it blocks loads of arrows even unspecced.

 

[vintervargen]

but ok, a hunter that can equip and switch to small shield without having to re-equip its main weapon (spear, 2h sword), and as fb says beeing able to block arrows, would probably look much like a scout (according to mythic), and they dont want that.

 

[Aussie]

maybe at low rank hunters are the weakest of all. Combined AP3 and SoM (hunters & rangers) makes scouts weakest. but we don't have many active of those except addslave

 

[Fatbelly]

spec af is somewhere between ap1-2, and costs 0 realmskillpoints, and is always up, battler is free ap2 and ap2-debuff so everyone has access to it .. and hunters are weakest in both melee and archery of all archers, since we only got 1 melee specline.

scouts can spec 1h+shield and though they do less dmg they have much much much stronger defense than their melee is weaker. only way to beat a scout of equal rr and equipment etc with a hunter is to run trough and hit most attacks from behind.

rangers only need like 1cd and ~44 pierce or so to have better melee than a hunter, with equal gear and realmrank

 

[Elec]

I would really like to see hunters be given parry as a specline..