Hunter ideas for trying to fix this class

[Aule Valar]

prehaps becasue its their only chance of winning

 

[Brevis]

Aha, so 9 secs of stupidly trying to draw their bow and getting interrupted is better than 9 secs of hitting the stunned hunter?

 

[loxleyhood]

I've managed to melee a few hunters to death before if I can get both the hunter and the pet attacking me from in front.

 

[froler-mid]

i cant kill a equal rr fully buffed hunter with all ra's up.


dont see why they need some more loving ?

 

[Aule Valar]

don't say things like that remi

 

[hellsvip]

When i said i wanted shield for hunters i dont mean so we can use a 2hand weapon with it i do not know where the hell people came up with that idea, I meant to give hunters a chance to go 1hand sword and small shield like a scout not give them the ability to spec shield just so they could go 1hand sword and shield.

Those that came up with we want a shield with spear please think before you speak for all our sakes.

Quote: Skile

So, getting a shield with that spear

 

[old.LandShark]

Skile, 150 vs thrust-resistant armour and being hit back for 300 in thrust-weak armour is not particularly grounds for nerf calls :X
What is grounds for nerf calls is that hunter got instapet instead of some very strong damage add.... I don't object to the additional melee damage (far from inconsiderable I might add, generally around 50% of what the hunter is doing directly) but I really, REALLY object to the interuption, the halved evade/block chance, the ever-lasting-chases-through-stealth bug-abusing crap and the fact that the fucking thing is instant. All the benefits of a really good charmed pet, without having to actually lose your stealthiness to have it. Feh.

 

[Tranquil-]

Such bull in this thread..

 

[Hatt]

Originally posted by froler-mid
i cant kill a equal rr fully buffed hunter with all ra's up.


dont see why they need some more loving ?

GL FINDING ONE!

 

[Aule Valar]

Originally posted by hellsvip
When i said i wanted shield for hunters i dont mean so we can use a 2hand weapon with it i do not know where the hell people came up with that idea, I meant to give hunters a chance to go 1hand sword and small shield like a scout not give them the ability to spec shield just so they could go 1hand sword and shield.

Those that came up with we want a shield with spear please think before you speak for all our sakes.

Quote: Skile

So, getting a shield with that spear

and let scouts spec pole?

 

[bishibosh]

yeah give every archer class dual wield spear/pole staff slash thrust shield crush spec, short/hunt/long/hvylongbow, speedburst, instapets, selfbuffs etc. Infact skalds cant use longbows, givf them they seem easy to uus

some basic balancing has to be put in place to define strengths and weaknesses, even if it is fking stupid (trying to put a short bow in scout's range slot getting response "you have no idea what the hell this thing is or how to use it" ) although they forgot the strengths part of the scout but nevermind

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Hatt
GL FINDING ONE!

moh0h0hooh0jh0h0h0hhoh0h!1

 

[marczje]

Re: Re: Hunter ideas for trying to fix this class

Originally posted by bishibosh
"you miss"
"you fumble the attack and take time to recover"
"XXX evades your attack"
"your attack was absorbed by a magical barrier"
"XXX blocks your attack"
"you cant get a good shot yet!"
"target in view but ill say it's not anyway"
"target out of range"
"XXX is attacking you and your shot is interruped"
"XXX blocks your attack against XXX"
"you hit for 100 (-654) dmg!"
"you target your computer and prepare to perform a Screen Smasher"
"you miss"
"you fumble the attack and take time to recover"
"your computer evades the attack" etc

rofl

 

[spankya]

I dont possibly know how someone could say hunters need a boost. They are by far the best archer class due to their evil spear and nasty pet.

Fatbelly recently killed my NS, a 50 champ and a almost 50 NS in 1 go at odin, with only managing to fire 2 shots off... then hitting with a spear for rediculous damage and having a pet hitting for over 100 damage per hit.... Ok he did have to use ip and was buffed out of his ass, but still that is a joke

I would love to see a scout or a ranger(imagining on pvp) do that... it would never happen!

 

[Glacier]

Rangers = not gimped.
Hunters = not gimped.
Scouts = not gimped.

Each of these classes has their own special abilities, an archer is not just an archer.

"The Scout" is what you would call the standard "sniper", exels at bow, lacks melee, but still has that nassty 9 sec slam and the ability to engadge other archer's arrows, and even have guard on a mage from stealth

"The Ranger" is something inbetween Scout and Hunter, overall nice melee abilities (IF specced so), and pretty good Bow abilities.

"The Hunter" lacks bow range by about a horse-lenght (?) but has the ability to instantly summon a level 44 pet, take up the spear (or sword) and whoop the enemy all over the place.


and it all comes down to the player playing the class..

 

[legionaire]

this post is a classic case of "iam not uber enuff"

Lets be honest out of the 3 archers classes HUNTERS do not come last .
scouts got extra range with the longbow but tbh it usually doesnt mean jack .Then that leaves the shield...Well we can Slam which in solo PVP is a great Stun Last chance get out of here style..NOTHING MORE....

 

[Jergiot]

hunters>rangers>scouts

 

[arrakeen]

with rapidfire its possible for a scout to slam hunter then pet and get 2 arrows in the hunter after that, not as good a crit shot but better then mele
I have pullede a crit shot allso more then once after slamming hunter and pet, buffede ofc

But have a end Stone rdy

With my scout ill say a fight vs a hunter is fairly even, and rangers are death if you get a crit shot in.

So in short ill say hunter and scout is pretty even, ranger lacks abit

Never tried against a high RR hunter, most on my server are not even rr5, but neither am i

 

[loxleyhood]

In the olden days the situation followed thus:

Scouts: Best bow damage, best bow range, shield.

Rangers: Self buffs, medium bow range/damage, dual wield.

Hunters: Pets, self buffs, good melee damage, worst bow damage/range.

So why are scouts the worst? Well, as you all know there is a current bug which stops you blocking in RvR, thus making scout's shield pretty useless for defence.
Also, rangers bow damage/range was increased to level with scouts. They now have the most bow damage because of their damage add.
And anyone who has ever cornered a scout will tell you that their melee damage is well, shall we say, if you took the smell of twenty rotting walruses, rolled them in crap and had them all read a party political broadcast of the conservative party, thats the general feeling you get about scout's melee damage.

In archer vs. archer fights we are the underdog. Typically, if a scout is caught off his guard the text book responce is slam, crit, normal, melee.
This is worthless on hunters because of the pet.
This is worthless if they have purge. (but that goes for any class)

Vs. hunters in melee we can avoid their spear quite well, but we usually die anyways.
Rangers have dual wield, which makes the shield even more worthless.

If a scout does get a suprise attack on another archer and start shooting him he will win. But a ranged fight is the exception rather than the rule.

Unless of course they use their speed shout, in which case they run off to freedom.

Ho hum

 

[Glacier]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
In the olden days the situation followed thus:

Scouts: Best bow damage, best bow range, shield.

Rangers: Self buffs, medium bow range/damage, dual wield.

Hunters: Pets, self buffs, good melee damage, worst bow damage/range.

fyi : lvl 29 druidbuff "outbuff's" max beastcraft/pathfinding buffs..

 

[Nichneven]

Originally posted by greenfingers
if ANY Hunter jumps a Scout, the Scout is dead ...

erm... duuuuhh... if u get jumped, you're pwnd, end of story - doesn't matter what u are

Just be the scout that does the jumping

 

[Nazghul-]

if u get jumped, you're pwnd, end of story

True words Nich.

Jumping fortehwin.

 

[Nazghul-]

These discussions are rather pointless since all (90%)albs says scouts are worst and need love, all (90%) hibs say rangers are worst and need love, all (90%)mids say hunters are worst and need love.

 

[Nichneven]

/em jumps Naz!

boo!

:mgwhore: :mgwhore: :mgwhore:


pwnd!

 

[Nazghul-]

Woot

/spank

/hump
:wub:
/bang /bang /bang

 

[Nichneven]

..... wow... erm .... bahhh! /blush


Stop that

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Such bull in this thread..

(Curse dialup, it prevents me from writing more.)

 

[bishibosh]

Originally posted by loxleyhood


If a scout does get a suprise attack on another archer and start shooting him he will win. But a ranged fight is the exception rather than the rule.

Ho hum

Yeah find a non/similarly buffed hunter thats shooting into a zerg and you've got them dead in 2 shots unless the obligatory shadowzerg comes knocking on ur door