Hunter ideas for trying to fix this class

[hellsvip]

If we compare hunter to the other realm not regarding bow but just in melee, we discover that out of them hunter has only evade 2 and not evade 3 like the other archer classes why is this what makes hunter so special as to not deserve the evade 3 like its counterparts.

And just a minor issue why can hunters not have small shield as an additional ability not a spec like scout but just the ability to use a small shield ranger has the ability and scout does (no awards for that info), so why does hunter get this before we shout about our wonderful insta pet yes it is nice but it is part of beastcraft spec just like slam and engage are part of shield spec and pathfinding has a str buff and dmg buff, the evade 3 they receive surely is just as deserving on a hunter who at this moment in time has no other means of defence as they are not even permitted a small shield.

That is my opinion on our melee abilities not range thats another issue i can argue about another day

 

[bishibosh]

Originally posted by hellsvip
what makes hunter so special as to not deserve the evade 3 like its counterparts.

because ur spear hits fecking hard. Also u get stuff like speedburst to get away from nastiness scouts just have to take it
. Scout has shield as "ability" as they don't have the ability to buff themselves or have a pet or anything

 

[Tranquil-]

And don't forget the buffs, as a buffbot isn't included at start with a scout.

 

[Hatt]

imo, giv scouts lub they suck so badly.

Hunters is a pretty nice class, got the most except from castable mez/stun. But none of the other archer classes got that either so no problem.

 

[Treniel-]

and the instant blue con pet don't help at all? as well as self buffs ofc...

/me looks at scout


hmmm yeah i see your point...

 

[loxleyhood]

Hunters are far and above the strongest of the archers.

You have:

Insta pets,
Good melee damage,
Self buffs,

So, that is why you lose somethings which the other archers have. This is a stupid and biased post.

 

[legionaire]

Maybe your defence is that damm insta pet that has a nasty habit of biting my heels when iam trying to shoot arrows at you..?

 

[greenfingers]

if ANY Hunter jumps a Scout, the Scout is dead ...

X is Dwarf Hunter
Y is Saracen Scout

here is the battle:
X Performs a succesfull Razor Edge and hits Y for 256(-128)
X Performs a succesfull Odin's Wrath and hits Y for 467(-233)
Y Performs a Succesfull Slam and hits X for 73(-28)
Y try's to take out his ÜBER bow, but keeps getting hit by the pet
Y Performs a succesfull Puncture and hits X for 45(+10)
X is Bleeding (3-2-2-1-0) every 5 second
Y Performs a succesfull Lunge and hits X for 62(+15)
X Performs a succeslfull Whirling Spear Y Evades
Y Performs a succesfull Ratfang and hits X for 34(+8)
Y Performs a succesfull Wolftoth and misses!
Y Performs a succesfull Slam X Evades
X Performs a succesfull Whirling Spear and hits Y for 287(-141)
Y Performs a succesfull Puncture and hits X for 42(+12)
Y Performs a succesfull Lunge and hits X for 65(+18)
X Performs a succesfull Whirling Spear and misses

the pet kills the poor scout

 

[evilknight]

Scouts and Rangers have bows with longer range.
This will be a problem for hunters when patch 1.62 and rapidfire

Check this out:

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=51791539&replies=5

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=51678291&replies=19

 

[alme]

Originally posted by hellsvip
If we compare hunter to the other realm not regarding bow but just in melee, we discover that out of them hunter has only evade 2 and not evade 3 like the other archer classes why is this what makes hunter so special as to not deserve the evade 3 like its counterparts.

And just a minor issue why can hunters not have small shield as an additional ability not a spec like scout but just the ability to use a small shield ranger has the ability and scout does (no awards for that info), so why does hunter get this before we shout about our wonderful insta pet yes it is nice but it is part of beastcraft spec just like slam and engage are part of shield spec and pathfinding has a str buff and dmg buff, the evade 3 they receive surely is just as deserving on a hunter who at this moment in time has no other means of defence as they are not even permitted a small shield.

That is my opinion on our melee abilities not range thats another issue i can argue about another day

Spear any1?

 

[Hatt]

Originally posted by greenfingers
if ANY Hunter jumps a Scout, the Scout is dead ...

X is Dwarf Hunter
Y is Saracen Scout

here is the battle:
X Performs a succesfull Razor Edge and hits Y for 256(-128)
X Performs a succesfull Odin's Wrath and hits Y for 467(-233)
Y Performs a Succesfull Slam and hits X for 73(-28)
Y try's to take out his ÜBER bow, but keeps getting hit by the pet
Y Performs a succesfull Puncture and hits X for 45(+10)
X is Bleeding (3-2-2-1-0) every 5 second
Y Performs a succesfull Lunge and hits X for 62(+15)
X Performs a succeslfull Whirling Spear Y Evades
Y Performs a succesfull Ratfang and hits X for 34(+8)
Y Performs a succesfull Wolftoth and misses!
Y Performs a succesfull Slam X Evades
X Performs a succesfull Whirling Spear and hits Y for 287(-141)
Y Performs a succesfull Puncture and hits X for 42(+12)
Y Performs a succesfull Lunge and hits X for 65(+18)
X Performs a succesfull Whirling Spear and misses

the pet kills the poor scout

Such gimpdamage.

 

[xajorkith]

Re: Re: Hunter ideas for trying to fix this class

Originally posted by alme
Spear any1?

Spear is often more of a hindrance as it's too slow to get reaction styles off, I often die "waiting" for my final swing or waiting for me to evade just that once.

Also hunters have a quick\dex buff which is ideal for the bow, but 50% of the damage by a spear is str based.....

I think b4 more people reply they should read the new Hunter FAQ which discusses mele of the 3 archer classes:
http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=51791417&replies=0

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Stuns/attack slow styles are the primary factor for victory. The Hunter, cannot normally apply either of these effects because both styles are positionals. In comparison, the Scout and Ranger can both apply these styles with very little investment into a weapon line(s).

So 42 shield is no longer a large investment of points?

 

[Brevis]

The pet is sweet, no doubt about it, best thing to ever come to the hunter class.
The only problem I have with the class is the lower range than other archers (the reason for us having shorter range was faster bows, 1.62 negates that) and that every single anytime style in the spear line is from medium to high penalty to defence. Which mean I evade once in a blue moon, even buffed to the max.

Oh and btw, the rear stun isnt as hard to land even 1vs 1 face to face, just takes some timing and training.

 

[Gorbash]

so in essence, what all hunters want, is what every other archer class in the game has, PLUS all the other stuff they already get?

 

[hellsvip]

did not take long for flames to appear but as you wish to point out hunters pet etc ok then you can pick on a lvl 41 pet. If you want that to be our main source of protection by all means raise it to lvl 44 and make us a pet class.

Personally thats the part that makes hunters special, rangers get dual wield and self dmg buff (watches flames appear), scouts get the longest range and highest damage with bows fair enough you now moan about spear great you moan about the fact we have to use a 2 hand weapon with slower attack speed and we are not supposed to do more damage with it???? Please this is pointing out a trend that you dislike the fact we give up speed of attack for more dmg, so it also limits our right to having an equal evade rating now excuse me that is a bit unfair. I just think evade 3 is fair as the other 2 archers have it i do not care about having the shortest range that comes part and parcel of being our hinderance for as people say we are supposedly superior in melee.

All i want is hunters to be looked at as they have been in patch 1.62 thx for link btw and just updated to be made fairer in balance.

 

[Brevis]

What is wrong with wanting something better for your class?
Why cant I say that it is really annoying not to have an anytime style that doesnt affect my defence in a negative way?

If you havent tried playing a hunter you wont really know what you are talking about.
But lets look at it, all archers have the same armor, no difference there.
Scouts can spec shield for and get the good things that this comes with.
Rangers can spec dualwield + pathfinding which provide them with some very heavy melee skills and about the same skills in the PF line as the hunter has (rangers get a dam add also)
Hunters can spec spear or sword, spear is most natural choice because it is based on dex/str. Also we can spec beastcraft, this giving us the pet, which work as a nice dam add+fluffy stuff also.

So each archer class has its specific area to shine, I would think that scouts best feat is the bow, rangers can choose for high bow dam or high melee dam and hunter can choose to go for high melee dam.

But for a while back hunters had no instapet, and only evade 1. This was an old remnant from the beta where hunters could use shields+wore chain (atleast so I remember it) Hunter then got promised evade 3, didnt happen, only evade 2. Thats what mythic thought was good enough, fair enough then.
But the spear styles are pretty screwed up with only 2 good working styles, the rear based razor edge and the followup Odin's wrath. We even have a bleed style that chains off another bleed, all our anytime styles negates our defence.
People then throw the argument in that spear hits for loads, and yes it does, but any 2h weapon with a delay of 5.4spd (which is the only 16.5 crafted spear a hunter can get) hit hard, does it not? If I could trade in my spear for a duel wield specc, I would be more than happy. To be honest, I would have loved to played a ranger.

 

[Jaem]

After a few attempts at RvR with my hunter, I'd rather have a fast hitting ranger tbh.

 

[Jaem]

Sorry double post

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by greenfingers
if ANY Hunter jumps a Scout, the Scout is dead ...

your hunter here is melee specced and your scout is bow specced (44 spear vs 48 longbow probably). Off course that fight will end up in hunters favour. I havent played a scout, so I dont know what melee damage they can do if they would spec bow to 40 and their melee higher. But scouts are the best archers, but in an archer vs archer fight that might not be the most important factor.

Btw rangers melee is around the same strength off the hunters or atleast it was before patch .56. But hunters are fine, atleast with the luv they get in .62.

 

[Hatt]

http://w1.156.telia.com/~u15651977/Hi.jpg

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by evilknight
Scouts and Rangers have bows with longer range.
This will be a problem for hunters when patch 1.62 and rapidfire

a) Yes, but only by 200 units.
b) Bull.

 

[dimerian]

:touch:

:viking: :whip:

 

[Aule Valar]

Originally posted by Hatt
http://w1.156.telia.com/~u15651977/Hi.jpg

good resists that guy had

nasty hit though

 

[Slip Slipurson]

Originally posted by greenfingers
if ANY Hunter jumps a Scout, the Scout is dead ...

X is Dwarf Hunter
Y is Saracen Scout

X Performs a succeslfull Whirling Spear Y Evades
Y Performs a succesfull Wolftoth and misses!
Y Performs a succesfull Slam X Evades
X Performs a succesfull Whirling Spear and misses

4 successfull misses/evades?

could not resist

 

[hellsvip]

Let wait for 1.62 as i did not see the patches due to not being bothered to search around for them so at least with the patch it should help even things up a bit.

I am sure you scouts will not lose anything against a hunter anyhow just give me your range and i will not nerf you Roll on patch.

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by Brevis
The pet is sweet, no doubt about it, best thing to ever come to the hunter class.
The only problem I have with the class is the lower range than other archers (the reason for us having shorter range was faster bows, 1.62 negates that) and that every single anytime style in the spear line is from medium to high penalty to defence. Which mean I evade once in a blue moon, even buffed to the max.

Oh and btw, the rear stun isnt as hard to land even 1vs 1 face to face, just takes some timing and training.

If your only problem with your class is that you have a range 200 units less (That's slightly more than the range you see an assassin with 50 stealth) range with your bow, then I'm happy for you - you must really love the class.
Oh, and compare spear styles to thrust, then laugh.

 

[skile]

Lets FIX the best (by marks) archersclass. Yeah, they need a fix. a N E R F.

 

[skile]

For the note. I do ~150 on a good hit with 43+15 in thrust. You do 300-400 with similar spec with your weapon. So, getting a shield with that spear would be, hmm. Very very very unfair (it's unfair already).

 

[Brevis]

Aha, 150 dam you say, and thats with a 2hand at speed 5.4 or was that with a 1h sub spd 4 and a shield was it now?

Why cant people graps the fact that the spear is a 2handed weapon? It hits slow (not fast) and hit hard.

Btw, for those scouts that whine about landing slam and then cant draw a crit shot because the wolf is biting their ancles, why do you keep trying, you know it will interrupt you, instead you try for 9 sec to draw your bow when you could be happily swinging away at us. Different tactics for different opponents ring a bell?