Huge problem, Help wanted.

[Glacier]

Hi there, i have just gotten myself a new comp [AMD Athlon 3200, 64bit SLi motherboard, bout 1g ram, and GeForce 7800 GTX, got Service Pack 2, and all the latest drivers etcetra.

Put it together on a lan i was a couple weeks ago, gotten it home, all well..

But the last few days, when im playing Daoc, it just freezes, completely, the whole friggin thing.

Ive tried on other games, and leaving it on, in Windows alone, and nothing happes there.
I log into daoc, and 20-40 mins out, Pc freezes again.

So as of now, i got a wtfkickass pc (imo), but I am unable to play freaking Daoc on it ;F wich kind of sucks, so i was wondering if any of you have had similar problems? or maybe a solution to this problem?

Help is greatly apprechiated. (lets out a desperate moan 0o)

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Sounds like a video driver issue. :/

DAOC is a bitch when it comes to video card drivers, and sometimes it takes time before the drivers are updated to run the game correctly.

 

[Glacier]

Are you sure? I havent been having this problem until the last couple of days..
Could having installed DirectX 9.0c have anything to do with this? if so; does anyone have any idea where i can find any lower version of DX to test this?

 

[Tesla Monkor]

If all your other games work correctly and your windows version is otherwise okay, I would bet it's the video driver. I had the same problem with DAOC a while ago - was running the driver that came with the vidcard, but it took two additional releases for the Radeon drivers to make the game stable.

Everything else worked just fine.

 

[Honza]

I'd also vote for installing newest nVidia drivers at this...

 

[Alan]

Definetly sounds like a vid card driver - TBH most problems are, WoW kept crashing out for me - turned out to be video driver. Most problems ive seen with DAOC are due ot the card overheating or a driver that just doesnt work properly.

If you have a friend with a different card, could always try that to prove one way or the other.

 

[Kami]

If you can try new Nvidia drivers, if those dont work uninstall and reinstall the ones that came on the manufacturers CD, or get updated manufacturers drivers. Some cards like mine don't like generic nvidia drivers but work fine with the manufacturer supplied ones.

 

[Devilseye]

i have the same with ToA client (@ first i got a blue screen.. and some info about:
Nv4disp.dll being wrong or something..
Disabled AGP 3.0 calibration cycle, in Bios

now it crashes aswell. but no blue screen. and no reboot required


last night i ran Catacombs client. and didnt crash at all

But still i think its very weird..
got this bug since i updated my computer to a:
AMD64 3700+ (San Diego core)
1024mb (2x 512 Corsair)
and a ASUS A8V Deluxe mobo
---

and i use a Geforce 6800 Ultra (AGP)

updated vid-card drivers.. ViA drivers.. mobo drivers and all.. but didnt solve it :<

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

i have the same with ToA client (@ first i got a blue screen.. and some info about:
Nv4disp.dll being wrong or something..
Disabled AGP 3.0 calibration cycle, in Bios

now it crashes aswell. but no blue screen. and no reboot required


last night i ran Catacombs client. and didnt crash at all

But still i think its very weird..
got this bug since i updated my computer to a:
AMD64 3700+ (San Diego core)
1024mb (2x 512 Corsair)
and a ASUS A8V Deluxe mobo
---

and i use a Geforce 6800 Ultra (AGP)

updated vid-card drivers.. ViA drivers.. mobo drivers and all.. but didnt solve it :<

I'd say, check if your powersupply is up for this challenge.
Nowadays, the Watts of a powersupply don't mean a thing anymore.
Stability of the supplied voltages is very important, and so is the maximum Amp. output per powerline.

Q-tec is always a big no-no when it comes to powersupplies, or rather, when it comes to anything for computers. There are a few more of these brands you should avoid at all cost. Basically, with PSU's it's you get what you pay for. Also generally spoken, the heavier the PSU, the higher quality, because for instance, the condensators qtec uses are less the twice the size Antec uses, and that's weight

 

[Bondoila]

Having almost the same problem came with 1.75 patch computer freezes, if im luck it will return but usually I need to reboot.
Using radeon 9800 pro, update the video drivers and also directX to 9.0c still freezes seems to be some rendering problems.
Please look in to this matter.

 

[Devilseye]

I'd say, check if your powersupply is up for this challenge.
Nowadays, the Watts of a powersupply don't mean a thing anymore.
Stability of the supplied voltages is very important, and so is the maximum Amp. output per powerline.

Q-tec is always a big no-no when it comes to powersupplies, or rather, when it comes to anything for computers. There are a few more of these brands you should avoid at all cost. Basically, with PSU's it's you get what you pay for. Also generally spoken, the heavier the PSU, the higher quality, because for instance, the condensators qtec uses are less the twice the size Antec uses, and that's weight

aye Q-Tec sucks (i knew that )

but i also unplugged 2hd's and my dvd writer, and still the problem occured

(my guess would be, that that would use about the same wattage (spelled correctly? ) as before i installed the new mobo + CPU



Thanks again

 

[DocWolfe]

cpu is on a different "rail" to those things... so you might want to check its not undervolting the cpu. Not sure what sort of program to use as I just sure core center which came with my K8N neo.

Vcore: 1.5 (although this depends on your processor and the setting in the bios)
3.3v
5v
12v

PSU is the most important component in your computer in my opinion and it's always worthwhile having a decent one, having a crap one could mean that you've just blown 2 grands worth of hardware.

I had an old enermax a couple of months ago, 350w and it started undervolting, I checked inside and I could see some slight singeing on the wires but I thought nothing of it at the time, I couldn't really afford a new one at the time being a poor student and all so I just left it, and bared the crashing. Till one day I smelt some burning plastic and luckily I caught it before it properly started burning, turns out one of the wires in the atx connector was loose and was starting to burn the wire.

I have a 420w tagan i-xeye now and it's lovely with an awesome glowy fan (small things)

 

[Devilseye]

hmm talking about voltage:
12v = 11,904
5v = 5,026
3.3v = 3,296
Vcore = 1,422


now i'm not sure @ what voltage my cpu SHOULD run.
But i'll try getting it to 1.5v

(considering my cpu is also quite cool 45c Stressed (a bit too cool if you ask me.. (AMD + stock cooler)..

 

[Devilseye]

hmm talking about voltage:
12v = 11,904
5v = 5,026
3.3v = 3,296
Vcore = 1,422


now i'm not sure @ what voltage my cpu SHOULD run.
But i'll try getting it to 1.5v

(considering my cpu is also quite cool 45c Stressed (a bit too cool if you ask me.. (AMD + stock cooler)..

kk.. took a jump from (standard 1.4v (Vcore) to 1.45v
cpu: 2202.8mhz (an incredible 2.8mhz Overclocked! )
but hmm lets see if its more stable now
Its about the same temperature... well i'll give a shout if its still bugged or fixed (which i doubt (always expect the worst )

 

[cHodAX]

Is it a DFI SLI motherboard? If so I have one myself and I have had similiar problems, I have a good idea of what is causing the problem on DFI, basically the stock heatsink fan on the north brigde is a piece of shit for moving air and uses thermal tape to make contact with the NB core. This causes the temps to hover around the late 40c idle but it spikes at over 60c when DAoC has been running for sometime, suffice to say the machine falls over alot on warm days and on the well attended ML raids. My current solution is to use a desktop fan to cool the machine which drops the NB temps to low 40c under full load, my next step (when I get time) is to remove the stock heatsink fan from the NB and after cleaning the core I will apply some decent thermal compound like AS5. A number of people have reported that this drops idle temps by upto 6c and full load temps up to 10c. Anyway that is just my problem, give us more details and let us know how you get on.

 

[Devilseye]

well..
as i increased voltage from 1.4 to 1.45 i havent had a crash sofar.
But its totaly random tbh..
I'll try toa client tomorrow (as that 1 seems to crash more often :?)


Anyways. Night night. and i'll keep you informed

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Devilseye, don't push the Vcore too much ey?
that processor of yours is marked to run at 1.35~1.40V

And indeed, the chipset may be something too look at aswell...
if you can touch the heatsink without it feeling quite hot it should be allright, but perhaps better test it with some form of extra fan.


(chodax, an amd64 doesn't have a north- or southbridge anymore
I've got an MSI mobo with an nVidia nForce 3 250GB chipset and that passive Zalman chipset (ZM-NB47J) cools it pretty good. Don't know what chipset you have but you might wanna take a look at it)

 

[DocWolfe]

ram could be an issue as well, do a google search for memtest86, stick it on a floppy and boot from it, it will then run through a shit load of tests - your best leaving it overnight so it cycles through all the tests a couple of times. Then if you've got errors it will be basically say, and you'll know what the problem is.

 

[Devilseye]

quote from my self.. "i know q-tec sucks"

/em opens case.. and sees: Q-Tec :worthy: priceless

Anyways.. i HAD a 350watt

bought a 450watt yesterday evening..
and well lets see if its fixed now.
yesterday it didnt even boot anymore it crashed directly on startup.

(as i unplugged 2x a HD. 1x DVD writer yesterday.. i found it became more stable and the crashes were gone (sofar))


but when i run Asus Probe now.. the voltages are allot more stable than with the q-tec..
so i hope my problem is solved,


will keep you informed

 

[Devilseye]

i kinda hijacked Glacier's topic

But anyways.. 12hours online.. no crash.. so.. Problem solved

Glacier.. What PSU do you have? (power supply unit)

as my 350 was to low.. got a 450now.. and havent had a Blue Screen Of Doom ever since )

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

i kinda hijacked Glacier's topic

But anyways.. 12hours online.. no crash.. so.. Problem solved

Glacier.. What PSU do you have? (power supply unit)

as my 350 was to low.. got a 450now.. and havent had a Blue Screen Of Doom ever since )

Nice one mate btw, don't forget to put the Vcore back to 1.40 ey? no need for higher powerusage / temperature and shorter cpu lifespan if you aren't overclocking ey?

 

[Devilseye]

Nice one mate btw, don't forget to put the Vcore back to 1.40 ey? no need for higher powerusage / temperature and shorter cpu lifespan if you aren't overclocking ey?

set it back to default since the first boot with my new PSU

AMD 3700 San Diego (1mb cache) ftw!

sucha shame i now run on 2200mhz instead of 2202.8 ;( =]

thanks for the help and mental support every1.. and Glacier.. do what i did (unless you did not get the Bluescreen as i did.. not sure what your problems is ={