How to handle the dragon loot t.t

[Wot-do]

hm

the idea bout the lotto thing sounded nice , and yeah normal loot when harvesting says only lvl 50 gets it cuz the non 50 get exp, but cannot really count this as getting exp, think they would lose more exp then win =)

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
make your own thread.

for what? "How to handle the dragon loot 2" ?

 

[Aussie-]

hurray for Cadire \o/

 

[Tilda]

if u dont want to give drops to under 50's make it like this :

lvl 50: /random 200
lvl 45+ /random 100
lvl 40+ /random 75

this means that peoples have a chance but higher lvl people ahve a higher chance

 

[censi]

"nono censi u cant backtrack and become vague... i clearly said i dont think you should "let all levels lotto for all things".

please justify your reason for not letting a L48 bard with 150k RPs qualify for a respec stone."

Cuz I dont believe non lvl 50's should lotto for debaitably the best item in the game. Its a standard rule used for all decent drops. Used to get the same crap from legion raids from non lvl 50.

Oh and it didnt seem to bother you before:
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Originally posted by censi

some have a tendency to go ballistic when u explain theres a LVL cap on drop lotto's (not sterotyping anybody here)

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Originally posted by Novamir

lol so true

censi if you plan ahead and give a date/time of raid i assure u CF will provide a good balanced fg
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[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by Novamir
for what? "How to handle the dragon loot 2" ?

no, because i dont want this thread to become full of whine?

he's entitled to his opinion, as are you, let him have it.

 

[Ziva]

I think the way they were going to plan it yesterday is a fair one.

One stone for the raidleader and all guildgroups get one or two stones depending on the amount of ppl they bring. The leftover stones will be randomized between the non guildgroup members. The loot will be randomized between all members interested.

Furthermore i think the leader of (any) raid should set the rules, make the rules clear before the raid starts and those who don't agree can leave and those who do agree stay and don't whine about it anymore. This loot dividing and all the whining around it is really spoiling my fun on raids at the moment and i doubt that i'm the only one who feels this way.

 

[old.Zuljin]

Saadyst, i will respec my chanter to 44 enchantments then

 

[old.Tzeentch]

hm ok, im currently thinking of two methods..

25 x 8 = 200 people
so if we have 25 full groups, we can still give one of each type of stone to each group

or

we can allow the raid leader to allocate the stones as they see fit?

50 stones, 100 people annoying him lol

Although the second option sounds nice, I'm not gonna open myself up to tons of abuse/bribes/sad stories, and at the end probably be accused of unfairness

So the first method will allow everyone on the raid to lotto for one, leaving the discretion to the group leaders to lotto amongst the people in their group.

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
no, because i dont want this thread to become full of whine?

he's entitled to his opinion, as are you, let him have it.

i am in no position to enforce an opinion, but i'm allowed to disagree. you are confusing 'whine' which is needless and has no point to 'argument' which is because two people have differing points of view and can maybe reach a compromise... so stop being condescending. if you don't want me to reply, make a private forum.


Censi: i still agree with that point, as i stated in my other reply which you have clearly not read.
i'll quote it, please respond to it.

Originally posted by Novamir
i agree totally that a lev 45 shouldn't get a level 50 drop over a lev 50. i even see reason in the idea that lower than rr5 shouldn't get a level 51 drop.. HOWEVER.. respec stones don't work like that. My bard is level 48 and has 150k RPs.. i basically stopped levelling except raids etc coz it's so boring. I'm experienced in rvr, and know i need to respec. You are saying i shouldn't be allowed a shot at a stone.

 

[Novamir]

tzee, that seems fair, then each balanced (45+?) group can work out who wants what respec and lotto accordingly. make sure you record a list of GLs beforehand.. and maybe some vice-GL in case of LDs etc.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

every group that is contributing to the raid in some manner will be eligible for stones.

i leave it to the group itself to determine what is 'contributing', as i dont think many people would think a lvl 17 NS is contributing.

will post later on this anyway

thanks for the suggestions all

 

[censi]

Cuz I dont believe non lvl 50's should lotto for debaitably the best item in the game.

Getting lvl 50 isnt exactly hard.

Neway, just take Novamir etc and it isnt even a problem.

Non lvl 50's haven't even spent all their specc point pool yet.
Theres literally 100's of lvl 50 players that have been stuck with a bad specc for an eternity (due to a change or a feck up on their behalf) it just seems to me to be unfair that a player that hasnt even finished the XP treadmill should end up with something so valuable. Its a matter of priority over aspirations.

Dont mind a healthy debait its just the way you take offense (fu etc) at a view different to yours. Seen it all to many times in daoc, and so have you. And I would also lay a few bob on the fact you wouldnt have posted here saying that respecc should go to non lvl 50's if you didnt have a lvl 48 bard in need of a respec.

My view point is impartial, I dont want or need a respecc, yours isnt.

 

[Novamir]

OMG censi u just aren't seeing the difference between a regular uber drop and a respec stone.. nggh whatever arguing with u is like

 

[Driwen]

if you exclude lvl 49- from respec stones i doubt the chances are good that you would actually get 150 ppl for the raid, unless its 150 lvl 50 ppl . On midgard we said anyone who can rezz (shammie+healer) can join from lvl 35+ other classes have to be 45+. Come with your guild or join up so you can make great enough groups. Then the stones were divided among the groups.
We had 6 fg's and 4 guilds with more than a fg and 3 with less i believe and then with some calcing we got a nice division. I believe it was:

3 stones for the 1 fg (1 career 1 ra 1 random(?))
5 stones for the 1+fg(2 career 2 ra 1random(?))
2 stones with less than a fg(1 career 1 ra).

the numbers are wrong, sorry, but in the end all 50 stones were divided amongst everyone. You dont have to follow this system, just I think giving stones to guilds is the smartest and then let them sort out who is in biggest need for a respec.
Ow and the drops went to the alliance, which will be sold for the relic keep doors fund . But you could loto them aswell, maybe do stones like i said through guilds and drops only for lvl 50's. But remember if you give the lvl 49-'s nothing they wont come along and you wont kill the dragon .

 

[fixer_]

Originally posted by censi
Exactly why i dont really bother doing raids anymore, to many kids etc.

neway other raid leaders may wanna let all levels lotto for things, just my slant on it.

Dont let rangers lotto for stones !! !

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by driwen
if you exclude lvl 49- from respec stones i doubt the chances are good that you would actually get 150 ppl for the raid, unless its 150 lvl 50 ppl .

Last dragon raid there were 217 level 50s online on /who

 

[old.Niljindil]

And nova, why do you say no when i invite you to a perfectly fine PL group? You would have been 50 in 2 days if you would have come...

Edit: Oh and imo someone who isnt level 50(as in, havent even spent all his spec points) shouldnt be able to lotto for a respec stone(spec one, not RA). The reason for that is that they can still change their template at least a little, to "ungimp" themselves at least a bit more before they hit 50.

Just my view on it, dont take it personal etc.

 

[Kobold]

I need to respec my lvl 2 guardian from blade to pierce

 

[inuyasha]

bah, seriously

give respec stones to people 45+ as well, we didnt even manage to take the darn dragon now, so its clearly needed to have them there, and no way i would go there with my bard (who is a lot more needed then my chanter) if you implent this. Its very simple, more or less everyone have a level 50, but they bring the one that suits the raid the best with them there (prolly why it was 150 healers and almost no mages at the last raid). I might not be unbiased, as i want a stone, but i have been against this even on the other raids.

I dont really respect the comment that "level 50s have been gimped longer" and so on, a gimp is a gimp, that be level 50 or 48, and should be dealt with. Who needs it more is either up to the guild leaders, or luck to decide, not the raid arrangers, who would be by neglecting the lower levels. Of course the ra respec stones only should go to level 50s, and probably also only 50s with rr4 or something, up to you, but the skill respecs is, currently, equally needed for any gimped char level 45+, maby even more with the level 45, since he still have to level with the spec.

So:
Follow aussies drop system
Do no follow censis "remove non-50" system.
Do not give more to larger guilds and such
Share among people that need, not among groups, or it will end in half-interested hands.
And most importantly....
Lets bug that lizard til it dies!