How to handle the dragon loot t.t

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old.Tzeentch

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i know this is a bit cocky seeing as we havent killed him on exc before, but its a big point, if we do succeed, and i seriously dont want it to ruin the whole thing of actually killing him, so anyone got any suggestions on how to handle it?

afaik he drops 16 items, and 25 RA stones and 25 career stones

on niljindils raid in 1.50 (or 1.52?) we got him to 5% and that was 120 or so ppl, so assume that we have 150, how would we distribute the loot?

minimum of hassle, minimum of whine etc
i'll prolly arrange the raid for the coming sunday (4th may)

so, help please :)
 
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old.Tzeentch

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oh, and if he dies or not, i hope to do it every sunday anyway :>

<no, i dont need any stones or anything else from the dragon, but i figure a lot of people do want/need the stones or something else>
 
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Belle Donna

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hmmm i wouldnt know how to share it, but a raid evry sunday sounds nice ;)
 
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old_saxo

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i'm from albion , but our dragon make a aoe stun for 30 sec now in 1.60 to all who are behind , just so you think about it ( less chance to get raid screwed )
 
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Lessurl

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hmm, depends on how you plan to do the raid too.
If it's a case of bringing 150 worth of people in balanced fg's to kill the dragon then you could just share the respec stones among the group leaders to lotto for within their group. Other drops dealt with normally...only people who can use them can go for them etc..

Or if you are doing the seperate dragon fightin cg (tanks mainly) add control...rezzers etc. Then work ot so each of those cg leaders gets given a share of the stones to lotto with the members based on how many are in the cg. Just an idea. :)
 
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old.Niljindil

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Just so you know tzee, we were 184 people non anon level 45+ on my raid :x

Edit: oh and 130 or so were 50.
 
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old.Niljindil

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Oh and how about classes that have been changed and NOT granted respecs since 1.52 get a higher chance to get a respec stones than others?

Just a thought
 
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old.Tzeentch

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uff ok, well assume 150 now :<
<fu>

and yeah, thats why im asking you guys how to handle loot!
 
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Spamb0t

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or how about just those who really need a respec stone lotto for one....... and not some greedy cnut.
 
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Lessurl

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Originally posted by Spamb0t
or how about just those who really need a respec stone lotto for one....... and not some greedy cnut.
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True, i'd hope that would be the case too. I for one wouldn't enter a lotto for a respec stone as the only char i would even consider respeccing is my eld to mana for use in the occasional guild xp/item hunt when we lack a pbaoe as i never play him anymore anyway. But, as i said i never play him anymore (except if needed to help someone out) so it would be of very limited use to me anyway. Far better not to enter the lotto and give someone who really needs it a better chance to win one. :)
 
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Nemue

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letting ppl that needs the respec-stones have them is a nice tought, however proving that someone tells the truth or lies when someone says he _needs_ a respec-stone will be rather hard since we have no way to tell how someone is specced exactly. And even if we did know how someone was specced i recon there will be quite an argument where some ppl consider a certain specc gimped and others feel it's a decent specc.

Maybe if you made up plans on what speccs will recieve a respec-stone for free before the raid starts u can avoid the argument.

But no matter how u turn and twist the issue, there will be arguments, since i recon the respec stones are highly sought after.
 
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old.Reno

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How about excluding ppl ( and their known alts) that lotto for respec stones then sell them, from any future dragon(?) lotto?
For the first few raids this might lessen the pressure on the lotto's a lot.

Danita
 
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adari

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Do it like aussie, his idea was brilliant imo,

invite guild gorups and give each group a few stones, and all non guilded players could group up as well
 
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Belle Donna

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there would be a prob with giving each grp a few stones. u would always get 1 or 2 grps that werent balanced, and then some groups would hve barely any ppl who would need the stone, and others might have 8 ppl who need it ;P
 
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censi

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its actually pretty easy now Tzee.

With the 200 people in the CG thng.

Close the CG just before you start the lotto. (and change the CG so peeps cant invite themselves)

Do the 16 items first. the 16 items will weed out about 30-50 people from the CG.

You will then have around 100 people lottoing for 50 stones. Weed out all the non lvl 50's and you will have prolly close to 50-70 peeps lotto'ing for stones.


Then get a friend to open a public self invite CG for the RA respeccs. He will prolly get around 10-40 pms for this CG.

if he has more than 25 peeps in the RA stones CG you /random to elimate people out of the CG till there are 25 in it. then give each 1 stone.

Do same for Specc reset. (but there prolly gonna be loads in there)

Get a college also in the CG just to enforce that people arnt bending the rules (ie only lvl 50 for respec stones, 1 lotto each, and that person was actually on the raid)

This is a fast but totally fair way of doing it. There are so many people that want these respecs stones I cant predict there will be a fair amount of whining going on if they dont get them. This method is pretty fair though.
 
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Novamir

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weed out the non level 50s ? surely everyone over 45 can be just as effective in the raid and might have a gimped spec? (eg my bard 48 ;))
 
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old.Gillaien

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If Aussie's rules actually worked out, then they are the key imo. Cause it sounded damn good - so does what Censi said tho

But I gotta agree on nova, there won't only be lvl 50 gimps, anyone above 40 has no respec to do left in case he gimped himself just before the end
 
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Faeldawn

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Aussies idea is the simplest by far

For the love of god please dont let players try to preclaim items coz that does immesurable damage
 
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StormriderX

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Giv dragon raid :/

Really want to respec pierce :/
 
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censi

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About preclaiming.

Dunno but I wouldnt have a problem with the raid leader taking 1 of the 50 stones or items.

Seems if theres gonna be about 67 drops from a dragon raid the leader is totally due 1 stone for organising it.

Anyone who thinks that is unfair has never organised a dragon raid.

However preclaiming of multiple items is prolly not called for.

(not that im setting myself up for a preclaim here, if I ever do a dragon raid Im not interested in preclaiming. I just want the thing dead, if we can kill this thing consistently we wont have to worry about respec stones there be plenty to go around in the long run)
 
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censi

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Also, sorry but if your not lvl 50 I dont think you should qualify for dragon drops.

That is a mild rule but seems clear cut to me. But its just my opinion. Getting 50 isnt hard, once you have reached that goal start thinking about items and respeccs etc, not before.

neway its all up to the raid leader, whatever he chooses one thing is guerrenteed...

He will get moaned at left right and center :)
 
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old.ST200

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How we normally did it was give one of each stone to each group and let them roll for them. Then do dragon items. That will take long enough, and most of the people who don't really need a respec will fuck off to emain, so you can do your best at doing a lotto for the remaining stones (assuming you had less than 25 fg there).

Just make sure the groups "register" with you before the raid.
 
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Novamir

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Originally posted by censi
Also, sorry but if your not lvl 50 I dont think you should qualify for dragon drops.

That is a mild rule but seems clear cut to me. But its just my opinion. Getting 50 isnt hard, once you have reached that goal start thinking about items and respeccs etc, not before.

neway its all up to the raid leader, whatever he chooses one thing is guerrenteed...

He will get moaned at left right and center :)
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censi don't talk crap. i agree totally that a lev 45 shouldn't get a level 50 drop over a lev 50. i even see reason in the idea that lower than rr5 shouldn't get a level 51 drop.. HOWEVER.. respec stones don't work like that. My bard is level 48 and has 150k RPs.. i basically stopped levelling except raids etc coz it's so boring. I'm experienced in rvr, and know i need to respec. You are saying i shouldn't be allowed a shot at a stone ?? 2 words.. Rabid Sausages.
 
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-Dreama-

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cba to read the thread, got a headache, but I can tell you how it was handled on Alb when I played.
Mostly it was a guild thing, guilds, not grps, joined the hunt. Each guild got to lotto for a drop, and then that guild could decide how to give it out.
As for stones, I think it should be group/guild to lotto for it. I dunno if you'll decide to handle it like this, but in theory, it worked out, you'll always have the few ( or to be more acurate, the masses) of people who whine cry and bitch about it, no matter how you do it tho!
 
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old.Tzeentch

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yeah, was basically looking for the delegation route, that basically i have some people who i give loot to, everyone knows who has what loot, and annoy him/her for lotto

group thing sounds nice tho..


assuming 150 people, thats somewhere like 18-19 groups, so it should be easy to give one career/one RA stone to each grp, with some left over for some other purpose, perhaps auction for relic door fund or dunno some other thing

16 items, i think these should be handled differently, cus if i was to give one item to a grp, only lottoable by that grp, then if a certain grp got a druid item, of course there would probably only be one or two people who'd actually be able to get and use it, out of the 8.

more feedback pls :>
 
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censi

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2 words.. ***** ***.
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Exactly why i dont really bother doing raids anymore, to many kids etc.

neway other raid leaders may wanna let all levels lotto for things, just my slant on it.
 
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Novamir

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nono censi u cant backtrack and become vague... i clearly said i dont think you should "let all levels lotto for all things".

please justify your reason for not letting a L48 bard with 150k RPs qualify for a respec stone.
 
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