How to fix smite

[Daminira]

If you want a fighter I would say you should make a friar, if you make a Cleric remember what you are a support class, and since most friars spec really low in rej. then I would say it is really needed that the clerics is able to heal, not runing around like tanks. And then let the sorc. do his job at mezzing.

someone said that a shammy are normally a basic part of the RVR grp, well he is just that, only couse of his End regan, just as Clerics are a basic part of the RVR grp just couse of his healing. Tho I think that most shammys have realised that and can live with it.

 

[Killerbee]

someone said that a shammy are normally a basic part of the RVR grp, well he is just that, only couse of his End regan, just as Clerics are a basic part of the RVR grp just couse of his healing. Tho I think that most shammys have realised that and can live with it.

I have shaman (RvR spec) and cleric (smite spec) and wouldn't say that shaman is there only for endregen. As a shaman I have much more possibilities than a smiter and even more than a reju.

As you could see, we have no problem to lose even the possibility of dmg dealing, don't care with it at all tbh. We don't want uber dmg dealing, don't want to be fighters (since nerf + sc it would be pointless anyway), but would like to get something on smite what provide us a usefull thing even if clerics have low spec in it.

 

[Daminira]

I think the problem is that you will get overpowered if they try it...
First of all I dont thing that the clerics are even suposed to do CC, so lets rule that out already, second what can you give a cleric that dosent make it overpowered...

When smite was at its highest albion had problem with finding healing power..
Sure it is a shame that you cant really use smite, but you need to find a ability that makes Clerics go Rej. and then choose either smite or ench, and I think it is rather hard for them to find such a ability....
I sure hell cant figure out what it should be...

as for the shaman if he didnt have End regan he wouldnt be perfed in a grp over other classes, sure he have other tools, but that is what he is wanted for.

 

[Ilum]

Actuelly Healers dont really have buffs, sure they have baselines but they cant buff, so on that part you are wrong...

I think that Clerics are a fine class as they are if they would just fit into they role they have, that being a ubber support class ... smite is a bonus for a cleric, not usefull no but that is just that...

Thats true. Healers do not get specline buffs - they sacrifice that to get their awesome CC-line. In the world of buffbots, this hardly matters.

As far you saying "cleric is a fine class as they are" etc, are they really fine when their realm counterparts are clearly better?

 

[Killerbee]

When smite was at its highest albion had problem with finding healing power..

I agree, tho in that time all realm had problem to find healing power. (Lot of Mid whines about healers, la nerf solved it ).

 

[Daminira]

Thats true. Healers do not get specline buffs - they sacrifice that to get their awesome CC-line. In the world of buffbots, this hardly matters.

As far you saying "cleric is a fine class as they are" etc, are they really fine when their realm counterparts are clearly better?

So you mean that couse we can mezz you and run away that we are better `??

I agree that Smite needs some work to get it more interesting, but the problem is what, but asking for CC is abit over the line, I think that you have to sacrifice CC for you spec buffs ...

And yes you are right that it hardly matters in the world of bb... but couse we have bb is not a reason to overpower other classes ...

Smite need to have some sort of Dam - dealing that dosent make it desiable to go smite/ench. but Rej/ something else

 

[Balbor]

So you mean that couse we can mezz you and run away that we are better `??

I agree that Smite needs some work to get it more interesting, but the problem is what, but asking for CC is abit over the line, I think that you have to sacrifice CC for you spec buffs ...

And yes you are right that it hardly matters in the world of bb... but couse we have bb is not a reason to overpower other classes ...

Smite need to have some sort of Dam - dealing that dosent make it desiable to go smite/ench. but Rej/ something else

People keep going on about healing being clerics main thing but your healing line is not unique, its basicly the same as druids (who have Buff abilities like ours) and healers. Clerics get a AF buff that doesn't stack with Paladins and your likely to run out of Con when buffing a full group before you get to use it (i think its mainly a BB spell) and a Defensive Proc (and you can reliy on procs in RvR). That leaves us with the self damage buff, which we don't really need (maybe make it a 20sec group instent and it becomes useful).

Clerics are a CC class, they have a PBAE Mezz and a single cast Stun. why would giving clerics a single target mezz spell and changing PBAE instent mezz to 1500 instent AOE stun (with duration only being 6sec) make them so over powered. Even though it would open up a tactic avalible to both other realms we would still be the only realm with one class that can both instently interupt and cast 1min+ mezz follow up (it would require Cleric and Sorcerer to sink there spells just right).

Giving different realms unique spells/abilities is fine but excluding a single realm from abilities that both other realms have is not.

 

[Groborthir]

Giving different realms unique spells/abilities is fine but excluding a single realm from abilities that both other realms have is not.

Hihi ... So you want instant AoE stun on your cleric like pac healers, thus leaving hibs as the realm without instant AoE stun? (Or AoE stun altogether, in fact.) Hypocrite.

I definately agree that the smite line for clerics is in severe need of changes.

Your sentiment about smite clerics becoming backup CC'ers, however, I do find rather silly.

 

[Killerbee]

I definately agree that the smite line for clerics is in severe need of changes.

Your sentiment about smite clerics becoming backup CC'ers, however, I do find rather silly.

Ok, most of the ppl agree (even from other realms) that smite needs changes. This dmg dealing things is useless, backup cc is silly according to members of other realms (I don't want insta ae stun btw ), not too many options then.

- pet (too much similarities with druid spec line then)
- stealth (haha, that would be fun, but the silliest thing ever )
- ?

No more idea atm.

 

[Balbor]

Hihi ... So you want instant AoE stun on your cleric like pac healers, thus leaving hibs as the realm without instant AoE stun? (Or AoE stun altogether, in fact.) Hypocrite. .

Can i please draw you attention to the Instent AOE root in the Nature Line of Druids no other ream has that. This would still leave Albion with only 1 instent form of CC and the only realm without insten Mezz. My resion for choosing stun over mezz is because it woundn't give its targets a 1min immunity to mezz, making it useless as an interupt spell (mids use AOE stun, hib use Aminisa or AOE root if they have it).

Your sentiment about smite clerics becoming backup CC'ers, however, I do find rather silly.

So what do you call a chass that is capabile of casting a CC spell? Out of all CC stun is the lowest duration and the instent is used only as an interupt. out of all the Healing classes that do not spec weapons (4 or 5 if you wanna include bards as they have 3 spell lines) clerics have the least defence and pourest abilities outside of the standard healing and buffing that all other realms do.

Personal they should change all ranged instent AOE spells to 1sec cast like they are planning to do with VP meaning you have to be standing still to cast them.

 

[Gorre]

before toa i had 41rejuv/35smite spec
ive got a bbot myselve to buff the grp and always duo with a rejuv/enh cleric so i found that smite as second line would bring more to my grp then another useless buffing line
however this might change with 1.69 with all the buffleaching
(great idea to make healing classes more attractive to play btw: being forced to spec a useless line and having to rebuff mid combat zzzzzzzzzzz)
its a nice spec for various reasons:
-better damage to smite down enemy pets when you got time(all pets are weak to spirit)
-decent pbaoe mezz wich is a great defensive tool: keeps non det classes mezzed for 13ish seconds and no sb or ns will ever annoy you again, for det classes well it gives you just enuff time to get out of melee range to kite
and also works well for being jumped
these 2are the only reasons why to go high in smite wich is abit of a pity but i dont see much problem in it as healing is our main thing
-instapbdd very usefull interupting offensivly or defensivly
-aoe smite occasionnaly usefull to interupt a box or just to have some fun

sure compared to the other healing classes our third line hasnt got very much to offer
healer is mid's main CC class so ofcurz their line should have much tools in it
the insta CC spells might seem overpowered but they arent really
keep in mind that alb's CC class got quickcast longer range and access to 2forms of CC
alb got teh best CC class in the game (mayb a bit trickier to play) but is by far superior

drood's nature spec is abit like our smite line, if you spec it high you will get a form of insta CC and a higher pet surplus
this pet however is easily to counter, grey ones will be oneshotted with one smite dd, green ones might require more attention or better not start on it
also the pet gives away the class very fast
now about the insta root, it is a very nice toy ofcurz but then again they got this to balance out the CC cuz otherwise hib wouldnt have acces to aoe root as second form of CC

at the end its all pretty balanced imho
only thing i would like to see is some form of better interupt for cleric and/or the aoe smite casttime lowered (with damage reduction)
as stun gives immunity for the next minute and smite is abit to mana expensive
alb really lacks another form of aoe interupt and it would be nice if clerics would get one
heaven's plague : aoe disease like thingy would be a nice idea for example
but cabalist TL wouldnt like this i rckon

 

[Ormorof]

didnt smite get "fixed" ages ago?

anyway having high rejuv clerics is a good thing, annoying when your high pac healers and high aug healers cant heal very well

 

[Lothandar]

Fix smite: Remove smite skill from clerics

 

[Escape]

Clerics were meant to be healers/nukers
Healer = healer/CC
Druid = healer/damage/CC (hybrid of both)

Clerics lost their nuking ability(smite was nerfed useless) but the Healer/Druid lines got better. The smite nerf was needed imo, because smite-clerics were getting out of control ("I'm not a healer FFS! I'm a Smiter!... not my problem if the group just got wiped" etc) it was at the point where you had to ask clerics if they were rejuv or smite spec before inviting them to group

So Mythic nerfs Smite and forgets about the cleric's secondary role. Now clerics are the only pure-healer class in the game, but Druid/Healer have the same healspec, maybe if clerics had better heals, that would make up for it. But that's not going to happen.

Clerics aren't the healer/nuker class anymore, so the smite-line should be changed completely. Replaced with something like the druid's Damage/CC line... just add AoE/ST snare to smite spec/base and that will be enough imo.

 

[Killerbee]

("I'm not a healer FFS! I'm a Smiter!... not my problem if the group just got wiped" etc) it was at the point where you had to ask clerics if they were rejuv or smite spec before inviting them to group

Just idiots kept smiting when grp needed heals

 

[Borvo]

As far you saying "cleric is a fine class as they are" etc, are they really fine when their realm counterparts are clearly better?

druid/healer>cleric
inf>sb/ns
Savage>bm/merc
paladin>bard/shaman

what do this tell u...u got ur advanced on other sides...with this we get 3 diff realms and not just 3 realms with different names...


and if u think smite is broken...look at ment ments

 

[Escape]

Just idiots kept smiting when grp needed heals

well not all smite clerics are bad

It was the fotm-smiters who wanted a wizard in chainarmour... and most of those became fotm-buffbots

 

[Killerbee]

and if u think smite is broken...look at ment ments

You are wrong. Smite is broken. Ment ments is roflmao

 

[Ilum]

druid/healer>cleric
inf>sb/ns
Savage>bm/merc
paladin>bard/shaman

what do this tell u...u got ur advanced on other sides...with this we get 3 diff realms and not just 3 realms with different names...


and if u think smite is broken...look at ment ments

I don't really care if inf is better than sb/ns. And Paladin > Bard/Shaman...now thats a joke...a Paladin is a defensive non-det tank with end chant basically. Bard got mach5, ae mez, curemez, end chant, power regen, etc etc, insta amnesia osv. Shaman got ae diseae ae root and fluffy stuff.