How to dismantle a class

[censi]

bored (all poached)

1.35-1.51 nerfs


Patch 1.51
/last attacker command added. With/face this command makes even troglodytes be able to hunt down archers in no time. Even if arrows miss they still point the way to the archer): Hurts all ranged attack classes. No respec provided. They did add dice and cards, indicating great prioritization skills.

Patch 1.52
RvR to-hit modifiers removed for every attack except bow attacks. Greys can hit purples in rvr as easily as someone can hit a grey - except for bows. Light tanks get melee improvements, archers get camoflauge -negates see hidden on a 10 minute timer after combat. Even party members in combat reset the camo timer. A true insult from Mythic.

Patch 1.53

Melee classes get more great RAs to survive in rvr. Archers, who have been forced to be melee classes get nothing.


Patch 1.54
1. Drawtime increases of 0.1 s (in addition to prior increases of 0.3 to 0.5 s)

2. FUmbles increased from 17 % to 22%

3. Bow misses increased from 12% to 15%.

4. Fist pump animation added so that archers root themselves once they kill a player in rvr.

5. Bows get hit with proccing armor backlash at up to 2300 range. Neither bows nor arrows get procs.

Patch 1.55
First aid no longer usable once you get out of combat. Affects all FA classes, but archers depended on it for survival against assassins. No respec allowed. the lame excuse was that it was never intended, so all you poor bastards who specced in First Aid, too bad you cannot read Mythic's mind regarding what "in combat" really means. Come on you should naturally know that 10 seconds means in combat.

Patch 1.58
Self-damage adds clamped so that rangers's pathfinding damage adds are cut in half. Confirmed by team leaders, ignored by mythic. No respec allowed.

Further undocumented bow miss/fumble increases. Again documented but never addressed by mythic. Miss/fumbles much worse for the highest level archers than for younger archers. gotta kill off the older archers because they are the ones who might actually kill casters.

Patch 1.59
Self-damage adds last longer now, but the 1.58 nerfs to damage adds makes this insulting. Team leads confirm that archers hit less than 20% OF THE TIME IN RVR. This means 80% of the time in RVR archers hit for ZERO!! This is the lowest of all classes. With proccing armor, archers can now get damaged and achieve zero damage 80% of the time. Mythic has done the impossible by making an attack class get more damage on average when they attack than what they inflict. <--- that makes me laugh

Time has come to give us something good... restore archers to a viable class once again.... All good and well to let assasins feck us over, but at least let us be able to shoot something in group rvr without missing or pbt.......

 

[Aussie-]

they lowered fumble/miss in later patches.
if you only som up nerfs then yes it looks sad

 

[inuyasha]

censi =)

You pwned me today

Not many can do that

Your good the way you are when you can two hit kill me when your on 15% life and my pet is blasting ya

 

[censi]

i got lucky though m8y

 

[Trubble]

Stacking pbt pretty much ruins archers and characters using 2 handed weapons.

 

[old.Tdaer]

This is the EXACT reason i stopped playing my Ranger .. He was loads of fun ... Too bad Mythic really screwed Archers over.

/Bump to VNboards Censi ..

anyways .. having loads of fun with my NS :] stab stab

Really sad that the class i really liked to play got fucked up :|

I say Nerf EVERYONE .

You autoface [Saracen]
You prepare to fire your bow (2s).
You will now automatically fire and reload.
You fumble and hit yourself for 567(-43).You critical hit for an additional 256(-23).
You cannot seem to move.
Your target is not in view.
Noobiegreycon attacks you with his dirk.You are hit for 670(-3)
You are poisioned.
You are hit for 56 dmg
You were killed by Noobiegreycon
You cannot fire your bow when lying down.
/release


Thx for a waste of time Mythic /cheer

 

[kameh]

I'll probably be playing my shaman more than my archer in RvR shortly or getting my skald up to 50 just for the hell of it. Hunter is ace in PVE for farming cash.. pretty soon that'll be the only use for him lol.

 

[Khalen]

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Boring ain't it?

Nah but seriously every class could use something, the only point is what (Take a look back how long mythic has been tossing around with classes, nerfing and strenghtening them again..)

 

[kameh]

Mythic's problem is that they over compensate then have to nerf or boost the equivalent class in the other realms - which then also become overpowered.

Balance is almost get in this game.

 

[censi]

Some classes have been weakend...

Some classes have been strengthend...

Some classes have been tweaked....

But NO class has been NERFED like the Archer, HAD its primary prey given defenses specifically to counter its primary attack, AND given another class the ABILITY to Dominate that class and see through its stealth... to the point where the active Archer population has diminshed by upto 80% since 1.45....

Whats the Email address for complaints to Mythic?

 

[Arnor]

Patch 1.51
/last attacker command added. With/face this command makes even troglodytes be able to hunt down archers in no time. Even if arrows miss they still point the way to the archer): Hurts all ranged attack classes. No respec provided. They did add dice and cards, indicating great prioritization skills.

Boo-fucking-hoo

this is BS, that "feature" works half of the time if not less


Yeah, I REALLY think you should get a respec for that one spec full in your whine-spec or something

Patch 1.55
First aid no longer usable once you get out of combat. Affects all FA classes, but archers depended on it for survival against assassins. No respec allowed. the lame excuse was that it was never intended, so all you poor bastards who specced in First Aid, too bad you cannot read Mythic's mind regarding what "in combat" really means. Come on you should naturally know that 10 seconds means in combat.

you can still IP, thats MUCH more than your poor assassins

Melee classes get more great RAs to survive in rvr. Archers, who have been forced to be melee classes get nothing.

And these "GREAT" melee ra's would be? cheaper det/ip/purge for PURE-TANKS?



If you really think you are as gimped as it seems, delete it, stop playing or whatever, just dont spread the negative crap on all of us.




Oh, and archers needed a nerf, make NO mistake. But yes you have gotten the shaft a bit much, but really whats the point of whinging here? To stop ppl from rolling archers or sumt?
In that case Ill start posting how gimped matter-specced cabbies are


So, delete, reroll, stop playing, whatever, just dont bitch about it here.

 

[kameh]

Arnor,

This was a discussion about our classes you werent force to read it so I suggest to sod off if you cant be bothered to add anything contructive to it.

 

[censi]

Arnor,

This was a discussion about our classes you werent force to read it so I suggest to sod off if you cant be bothered to add anything contructive to it.

 

[censi]

hehe though i guess see all the archer ranting about how bad things are could get a bit boring.... but really unless you played one since 1.45 you wont really have a clue how badly they been shafted.... it was meant to be constructive yes, I am trying to put togther some stuff to send to mythic... so posts help bring out peoples opinions etc...

however reading your post, shows your mentality and age... and theres no substance... nevermind...

 

[Arnor]

what got me was that almost every archer you've heard of is whining about how mythic has shafted him and so on. take it to mythic or on the ranger/hunter/scout boards on vn.
Its getting to the point where ppl post here and flame goa because they lost a 1v1.

and no noone forced me to read it, but i did

 

[Garnet]

dont you get true sight etc? Also start mentioning the good things too

 

[Faeldawn]

Originally posted by censi
hehe though i guess see all the archer ranting about how bad things are could get a bit boring.... but really unless you played one since 1.45 you wont really have a clue how badly they been shafted....

Ahh, the good old days

 

[censi]

The point I try and make to mythic is focused on how many people are actually playing rangers nowadays... Theres no point trying to tell them how weak we are, if they dont know that by now they never will....

look on excalibur.... (top 10 rangers RP last week)

1 Eleasias Inactive 0
2 Ozrique 0
3 Alderian 5,425
4 Tdaer Elvenshade 0
5 Censimilia 28,321
6 Flix X 1,136
7 Trapp 0
8 Calaw 0
9 Alexx CupidsArrow 13,951
10 Kaor 25,145

about 60K in total.... compare that to something like hero for example....
1 average top ten hero ALONE gets over 4 times more RP than the top 10 rangers combined last week!!!!!..... think about that... its not good for the game... and its the same on all the US and german servers too... Archers are close to becoming extinct.

We should get the following.....

Lower the miss and fumble rate
Volley and longshot become skills on bow specc line
remove SH
Massivly increase bow damage versus scale/plate/chain armour
(atm tanks just ignore any archer shooting them the damage is feeble and they will only hit around 1/5 shots with pbt (roughly 150 damage 15-20 seconds lol)

That would be fine... we would still be weaker than virtually every other class but at least we could do something.....

 

[Arnor]

ok, first of all, rps dont mean SHIT. good post about that somewhere on vn, with some dude proving that thanes were fecking uber or sumtin (by cheating with statistics)

Oh, and compare that to Llaralyn, super-hero and rp-farmer from hell, yeah good call

Lower the miss and fumble rate
Volley and longshot become skills on bow specc line
remove SH
Massivly increase bow damage versus scale/plate/chain armour
(atm tanks just ignore any archer shooting them the damage is feeble and they will only hit around 1/5 shots with pbt (roughly 150 damage 15-20 seconds lol)

Agree on 1&2, maybe three.
F-U on 4(im wearing studded and getting hit for 4-500 with every shot ) and chain wearers doesnt have it much better. (some scout 3hit a 50skald i was running with in emain(We need more dmg!! as if)) and we all know how sucky dmg tahngarth, winter, aussie, ele, ozrique, trapp and tdaer does.

Try to view things in a perspective, you have the ability to kill ppl from range, while stealthed(nerfed with sh, but still) YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THE SAME DMG THAT TANKS DO, you have range, we need to be upclose&personal


And give CRIT-SHOT a chance to pop pbt

 

[SilverHood]

some classes should just not be allowed to be rolled anymore

Thanes, Rangers, Scouts, hunters.

If these people could pick a useful class, the whining would stop

 

[Driwen]

but ppl like playing an archer, its something different than a caster or a pure melee fighter. Besides if u have spend lots of time making him lvl 50 (before the nerfs..) its sad to see ur effort being wasted by the nerfs.

But if i read it right than at patch 1.59 the archer will be worse in doing damage than any non support class. As archers cant help others with buffs or healing, so the only thing they can do is do damage. Which they still do. Btw an assasin or an other cloth wearing caster can kill cloth wearing casters easy aswell, dont need an archer for that. Archers shouldnt do as much damage as any non support class as we got longest range and stealth. However it would be nice to be able to hit something (the 20% hit percentage kinda shocks me).

 

[Arnor]

get mythic to implement /reclass

 

[Hit ^_^]

well alteast u have the time to run after you shoot someone.
wich infil dont have.
solo players are rare these days.

 

[old.LandShark]

and you STILL solo better than minstrels.
Gunnerr, can you sing your 'cry me a river' song again plz ;>

 

[dazam]

oh well

 

[Driwen]

minstrells still got their mezzes and speed songs though and infils do ALOT more damage than an archer and mythic doesnt want solo players, but when u do less damage than everyone else does. Whats the use of the archers then? Archers arent solo'ers anymore, so we should find a new task for them. They got longest range and stealth so mb send them ahead of ur group scout the place out and when ur group comes in to kill the other group interrupt the caster with their mezz(of the other group)?

 

[Olgark]

I love playing the hunter class, but with all the nerfs now not even a insta pet and more melee damage is going to help us as we still get evade2.

I am tired of the nerfs ( knee jerk reactions from Mythic) to balance the classes. And so I await Shadowbane, the game that will kill camelot. trust me on that one.

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

minstrels still get speed and messes

lol tbh what fun they must have!

least u get some partial fix for your stealth line.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
minstrels still get speed and messes

lol tbh what fun they must have!

least u get some partial fix for your stealth line.

minstrells got chain aswell, just meant they arent meant to be soley solo'ers they have use in groups aswell. It might not be as fun, but some ppl like mezzing others. Btw we needed that camouflage as an archer has to be able to negotiate the effect of the see hidden. But minstrel vs archer still think its balanced or in favour of the minstrel.
I just pointed out that even if archers solo better that minstrels got other use for their realm. Archers however have none. Btw minstrels got mana regen and hp regen aswell and some other stuff..
I think atm the worst class to play for effectiveness for ur realm is archer, let the scouting be done by minstrell/assasin (assasins can also look into keeps). The pure melee damage done by tanks, killing off that healer done by assasin and interupting done by ur casters. Archers should have an use in the realm otherwise they should just delete the class. I am just asking what is the use of it?

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

minstrels hp regen is just laughable and mana rejen the thing that gets given to sorcs in next patch u mean ?

minstrels may get chain, archers get better evade and as for minstrel scouting i mean omg lol ? and minstrels dont need cam to block effects of see hidden ? no its much more fun to know every assasin can see you from clip range and you cant see anyone, yes thats a fully worthwhile spec line.

fact is archer wuth any sense will kill minstrel purely as both have similar hits, but archer will do 1k odd of dmg before the minstrel gets close

(i have 1100 hits) ...

stop whining for a class thats just as nerfed/useless as others but at least your not getting smacked about with nerfbat every patch, i mean ppl want scouts for pulling in xp groups what will they want minstrels for when they get sorc mana crack and increased caster speed ? its already hard enough i imagine due to high lvl casters with mcl etc but no, im sure a rogue class with pathetic dmg output who can take even less agro than a inf is gonna be hounded for a group.