How many clerics will "leave" after nerf?

[hangianix]

I'm just curious so I not suggest to anybody to leave, but when I was speaking with other clerics, a lot of them told me that he/she will turn their char to buffbot or change their main.


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Killerbee lvl 50 Cleric
8XX Armorcrafter

Hangianix Carnifex lvl 19 Theurgist
<Carnificis Ministerium>

"[Party] Hitokiri "but if u come here ill ave to pass down my medal of crazyness to u"

I'm still waiting Hito...

 

[Adelle]

I was never very big on smite anyway, so I imagine that I will continue playing Cauton like I have now (altough I will respec him to be more of a rezz/buffbot. But hey, that's what I enjoy, so I don't mind).

 

[Tenko]

My current spec is 31 rejuve, 14 enhance, 3(?) smite.

Think i may quit if were being nerfed in some way

 

[jarade]

boredom strikes

I dont see a point in all clerics quiting once their Smite has been nerfed... Clerics are primarily healers/buffers, you knew this when you made them, Smite is a secondary specc line, you will still be able to use it, just at a lesser degree, so why quit and weaken our realm ?

 

[old.windforce]

problem is 2 ways:
everybody will be able to get faith heal / ignore pain so there primairy role as a healer is worth less

a complete line is nerfed death. especially by the 5 minute timer on aoe mezz

i don't mind ill just play another character and respec Olezdad to 27 rejuv // 30 enhance // 3 smite (at level 42)

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by old.windforce
problem is 2 ways:
everybody will be able to get faith heal / ignore pain so there primairy role as a healer is worth less

a complete line is nerfed death. especially by the 5 minute timer on aoe mezz

i don't mind ill just play another character and respec Olezdad to 27 rejuv // 30 enhance // 3 smite (at level 42)

Isnt the aoe timer on healers 15mins? - the smite was way way too powerful and the aoe mez every 20secs was rediculus - clerics killed my lvl 50 buffed sb in 2 bolts.. thats not a healing class thats a caster ^^.

 

[Turamber]

Re: boredom strikes

Originally posted by jarade
I dont see a point in all clerics quiting once their Smite has been nerfed... Clerics are primarily healers/buffers, you knew this when you made them, Smite is a secondary specc line, you will still be able to use it, just at a lesser degree, so why quit and weaken our realm ?

What a poor, poor post. Smite is *not* a secondary specc line (whatever the hell one of those is). It is a valid way to spec one's cleric. Not everyone wants to stand around healing and buffing others while everyone else gets on with the fun.

What weakens our realm is having people with such lame, weakminded opinions as yourself in it.

Obviously playing a tank I prefer clerics to be healing me than smiting, but I respect the decision they made when they specced their character. Don't forget that none of the primary healing classes of all the realms 'just' heal/buff ... they all have a bag of tricks.

This is because Mythic realised that only a very, very small percentage of people want to play healing bots.

I don't think Ignore Pain/Faith Heal replace clerics tho, contrary to another poster, unless that cleric only heals once every 30 minutes

 

[Euthanasia.]

unless that cleric only healed once per 30 mins..TURAMBER YOU TRYING TO SAY YOUR REPLACING ME WITH A REALM ABILITY:O

 

[Garnet]

To be honest why cant you all stop whining about the damn changes. Its bloody stupid if you ask me...wont achieve anything

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by pudzy

Isnt the aoe timer on healers 15mins? - the smite was way way too powerful and the aoe mez every 20secs was rediculus - clerics killed my lvl 50 buffed sb in 2 bolts.. thats not a healing class thats a caster ^^.

the Ranged AOE instacast mezz for healers is on 10 minute timer? Clerics PBAOE timer was/is on 30 seconds, which allows them to mezz aggressors, so they could continue to heal realm mates (although they can smite them too if they got nothing else to do). Healers mezz/stuns used much more offensive so they can stop charges by other realms at range, although they do use it for defence too. PBAoE mezz didn't need to be nerfed, or at least changed to only say a 2minute timer if anything.

You get a 1minute immunity to mezzes after it wears out anyway, and the duration is about the same as the skalds instacast mezz (29-30 seconds), with the same recast timer, so I hardly feel that is overpowered, (well i whine about skalds mezzes but im sure most of midgard dont (cept skalds who probably want longner duration/range/lower timer/less power )).

ignore pain sucks ass for the game in general and should be removed completly

 

[old.chesnor]

Smite clerics who respec out of smite totally in 1.52 are being bloody minded in my opinion. Its not like smite is gimped after the nerf. Its still a very nice spec line. Seems to me as if alot of clerics who do spec out of smite are trying to prove a point, and will be horribly dissapointed with a heal/buffbot after having played a smiter for so long.

My cleric will not spec out of smite, and I don't even see it as a nerf. Smite clerics were stupidly overpowered, and don't tell me 'try playing one' yadda yadda, because I do. Sure my soloing ability will be worse after 1.52, but in my experience (and I have played every class in this game now) my smite cleric is the best soloer there is. I rarely die (30s insta pbaoemezz) and can take orange undead without a problem.

Not done 'real' RvR with my smiter yet, but I was a terror in Thidranki. I was almost unkillable because of the 30s recast instamezz, insta heal and stun. Oh, and I smited pretty hard too

 

[maxgirth]

Re: Re: boredom strikes

Originally posted by Turamber



I don't think Ignore Pain/Faith Heal replace clerics tho, contrary to another poster, unless that cleric only heals once every 30 minutes

Which is about the going rate of most clerics in rvr.

 

[Jenkz]

im already specced for 1.52.

43smite 25rejuv 20enhance.

i'll be staying that spec i guess as my playstyle wont change dramatically from what it already is.

the people this patch really effects is the old-smite template of 48/23/9

IP/FH does reduce the need for clerics to some degree (you're not in combat for every minute - so 30min timer is usually enought to have IP/FH ready to fire (i know my 20min timer on group insta is ready to fire 90% of the time)), but a couple of heal classes in a well balanced group who knows what they are doing is always going to be better than having no heal classes.

 

[Akuma-San]

I'll defo keep playing my cleric after patch, im more of a melee cleric anyways
My current spec is 35 rejuv 30 enh 27 smite.
Think i'll respec to 40 rejuv, and mayby raise enh a bit.

Hate having to spec smite for self dmg add

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by Jenkz
im already specced for 1.52.

43smite 25rejuv 20enhance.

i'll be staying that spec i guess as my playstyle wont change dramatically from what it already is.

the people this patch really effects is the old-smite template of 48/23/9

Aye, my specc is 44/27/15 so the simple smite DD will be hit harder (+8%). The non-smite clerics will feel the nerf better, because the lvl-based smite will be crappy and lot of them used it. Maybe we will get a shorter timer for mezz (in 1.61 or so, will this game exist then?).


Killerbee lvl 50 Cleric
8XX Armorcrafter

Hangianix Carnifex lvl 20 Theurgist
<Carnificis Ministerium>

"[Party] Hitokiri "but if u come here ill ave to pass down my medal of crazyness to u"

I'm still waiting Hito...

 

[jarade]

well done

<What weakens our realm is having people with such lame, weakminded opinions as yourself in it.>

Turamber.. what is your problem, i made a point, that it is pointless to quit a cleric after the changes to them are implemented.. and for that you insult my post.. i dont see how my opinions can weaken our realm. I didnt say people can not specc in Smite, i have had a Smite cleric my self. Like i said Clerics are primarily healers, their main job in any group is too heal, if their is more than one Cleric then one can Smite.

Please dont say my opinion is lame when it is quite Valid

 

[Turamber]

Re: well done

Originally posted by jarade Clerics are primarily healers, their main job in any group is too heal, if their is more than one Cleric then one can Smite.

Please dont say my opinion is lame when it is quite Valid

Sorry but you just repeated the same lame opinion. As a *class* they are the primary healing class in Albion, but individuals can (and have) chosen to spec their characters as damage dealers and NOT healers. I can understand 100% why someone would not want to suddenly have to become your and my healing buddy when they rolled a character to dish damage out.

Whether you understand it or not your comments are critical of your realm mates. Would you criticise a sorcerer who has specced body damage or a cabalist who specs spirit? Sure they might have gimped their character in other people's views, but it is still a valid choice of speccing.

 

[old.chesnor]

Re: well done

Originally posted by jarade
<What weakens our realm is having people with such lame, weakminded opinions as yourself in it.>

Turamber.. what is your problem, i made a point, that it is pointless to quit a cleric after the changes to them are implemented.. and for that you insult my post.. i dont see how my opinions can weaken our realm. I didnt say people can not specc in Smite, i have had a Smite cleric my self. Like i said Clerics are primarily healers, their main job in any group is too heal, if their is more than one Cleric then one can Smite.

Please dont say my opinion is lame when it is quite Valid

And all armsmen and paladins should spec sword and board because they are tanks, all theurgists should spec earth for PBT and self righteous fools like you should demand that everyone else plays the game the way you tell them.

A class in this game does not have a specific role. All classes are versatile enough to be specced very differently. Clerics are'nt healers, they are clerics. Some spec to smite, some to heal, some to buff. If your group needs a healer, you look for a rejuv cleric. If your groups needs damage, maybe look for a smiter, as (pre 1.52) their dmg output (especially on undead) is as good as most other classes.

 

[jarade]

WTF

what the hell are you lot going on about, read my post properly, i did NOT say cleric or any other class should specc in a certain way, ffs dont put words in my mouth... all i said was i dont see the point in people quitting there char cause it gets nerfed.

If you want to have a go at me, please have a good reson not some bull shit reason like you are using at the moment.

 

[Hadess]

No point wait for patch to leave as a cleric They are gimped already. Well... If you see me its when i use him as a buffbot (yes its a smiter with gimpbuffs but better then nothing) for my friends infiltrator that i use atm.

 

[Euthanasia.]

Re: Re: well done

Originally posted by Turamber
Would you criticise a sorcerer who has specced body damage or a cabalist who specs spirit?

Yes i wuld spam them with /laugh and call them a gimp

 

[hangianix]

Re: boredom strikes

Originally posted by jarade
Smite is a secondary specc line, you will still be able to use it, just at a lesser degree, so why quit and weaken our realm ?

Because they played an offensive character not a boring one, so rather change their main.

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Killerbee lvl 50 Cleric
8XX Armorcrafter

Hangianix Carnifex lvl 20 Theurgist
<Carnificis Ministerium>

"[Party] Hitokiri "but if u come here ill ave to pass down my medal of crazyness to u"

I'm still waiting Hito...

 

[old.Kladen]

thats your own opinion killerbee SOME people like healing and HELPING other people. not implying that you dont because i dont really know you.

and as it is now smite does badass damage should lessen it abit makes them more balanced but i dont agree with the 30minute timer on AOE mezz. thats just going too far.

 

[hangianix]

Yes, that was MY opinion, that's why wrote with my sign. I meant boring = defensive. I know that some ppl like healing and they are very good in it (Knudden, Lochlyessa, Redb (in alphabetic order ) + a lot of others), but they chosed the healing profession so they enjoy it. If somebody was a smiter like Hadess (and again a lot of others) probably won't enjoy their new task.

1. Quit isn't equal with delete, i think Jarade misunderstood it. (or it was again my lack of English knowledge )

2. Fortunatly "only" 5min timer on mezz. With 30 min timer i will quit instantly.

3. Your profession (smiter) DOESN'T mean that you not HELPING and HEALING others. It's a ..., hmm call it misunderstanding, that smiters don't heal (i mean those one who are using the "after nerf template" 43+/25+/18+).

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Killerbee lvl 50 Cleric
8XX Armorcrafter

Hangianix Carnifex lvl 20 Theurgist
<Carnificis Ministerium>

"[Party] Hitokiri "but if u come here ill ave to pass down my medal of crazyness to u"

I'm still waiting Hito...

 

[scunn]

Well i have been speced full rejuv from the start cause i like being a group cleric but its nice to have the smite for 1 vs 1 and for some fun now and then as healing and buffing can be boring after some time.

I have spec of 46 rejuv, 27 enhance, 8 smite but im not happy about the nerf. Its not so much that smite is weakened its that pbae mess is on 5 min timer and that sucks. Also recently all teh IPs and faith heals which were before only available for rejuv speced clerics are common. Almost all the advantages a cleric had over other classes have gone. As a cleric is no good a meele and there is no rlm pts for healing i feel many will abandon this class. Its a great shame as the class was and still will be to an extent fun. I hope many stay as albion really does need its healers.

As for spec lines a cleric can choose either spec line neither is primary or secondary.

Personally with all the IPs now my ability to solo has become hard enough and with the nerf impossible. But a healing class is a grp character but maybe they should provide rlm pts for healing.

I personally will proabably retire my cleric, i love healing and buffing its what ive always done and one of the first to get full ress but i think all the nerfs will eliminate any chance of a cleric having fun solo at least a rejuv one anyhow.

I'll leave my cleric for keep takes etc if needed. The game will always change though its just something u got to accept.

It will givem my scout a chance to have some fun .

 

[Jenkz]

with my 43/25/20 template, i heal, and heal about 80-90% more than i smite (usually too OOP to smite cause of heals FS!!! )

what a lot of albions (especially on the US side) seem to misunderstand that a smiter template (48/23/9) can heal pretty decently, and the decent ones actually do DO in a lot of cases.

so you may have had one or two bad run-ins with smiters in PvE groups who refused to heal? a lot of the smite-nerf calls came from people in albion - those 48/23/9 clerics are pretty annoyed at the albs who called for the dmg reduction. coming on here making out clerics are a class who should heal and heal only is simply not true. theres a line with effective DD spells - if it were not meant to deal damage why on earth is it there?

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by scunn
I'll leave my cleric for keep takes etc if needed. The game will always change though its just something u got to accept.

It will givem my scout a chance to have some fun .

Umm, don't mean to ruin your mood Scun but the only class that can really solo in RvR are the assassins. With See Hidden Scouts have to be as much a part of a group as rejuve clerics.

Also seems a *bit* strange rolling a group character then wanting to solo. Paladins are in the same boat, we shine as part of a group but when forced to go solo ... oh dear, free RP's anyone?

 

[scunn]

Scouts will be fine in ext patch and the point i was making was that although u got a grp char its nice to have decent 1 vs 1 now and then as a change and fun and that isnt going to be possible with the changes in the next patch.

Sure i rolled a grp char i never solo i prefer not to but occassionally its nice to and there is always going to be situations where ur last one left etc.

The balancing act they are playing in DAOC is going wrong i feel often some things are great and some arent but the game is still fun. I dont feel nerfing a class cause its successful is the answer as they have done in the past. The cleric nerf could be far worse than it is.

As for smiters ive known plenty to heal and they can but its plain and simple it eats their power and the heals are pretty weak on a level 50 tank.

 

[The Real Redi]

Scunner, check out the patch notes on Camelot Herald, come 1.54, theyve begun implementing Healing, Rooting, Mezzing, etc, all offer RPs (how it works, i know not, but at least they doing something)

Oh and a 5 min timer on the AoEmez will make little difference to the higher seasons, but when younger, such as my Dil here, its saved my arse regularly, so anyone who managed to scrape by as a healing spec, will now be pretty screwed for shortcuts anywhere, without a minstrel to carry them...

 

[scunn]

Aye just read it thanks redi i was aware stun/mess was getting rlm pts but not healing .

As for the mess timer it does effect higher levels when u cant smite and are faced against a meele enemy mess allows an escape to mess then stun over get a few smites off which tip teh battle before meele again. I have been in many situations of thsi nature and only real way to beat sbs if jumped. However at least its only 5 min timer and not 20 odd mins.


Role on 1.54 .

only good thing about 1.52 is BOF is fixed.