How High is Samac (inf)

[stafford]

well if you believe the rumour mill
df is gonna get a nerf

ive heard 2 things
stun dropped to 6s or high bleed (wtf do infs need bleed for all our styles fukin bleed)
or df becomes part of a 2 hit combo

 

[old.Hellskor]

buffed or unbuffed doesn't affect damage taken in Mid.
Our AF Buffs don't stack, not even the Hunter Specc AF Buff does.

 

[staffzor]

I would still keep DF if they nerfed it to 6seconds, still enough time to get few leapers in then a combo or to run like a girl :>...


Erm doesnt base AF buff effect damage taken?

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Originally posted by staffzor
Erm doesnt base AF buff effect damage taken?

Only if you wear low quality armor.

 

[old.Lethul]

i guess he was very high, maybe had a wild sunday?

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
Thrust/CS : Garrote/AH
Thrust/DW : Dual Shadows

...and for 'strafing/avoiding' DS ... I kinda have to face them to hit them, right ?

Dunno it can be quite effective. Had fights where ive styled twice in the entire fight ;o

Ofc i dunno how often they styled against me ~~

Its not like your sb is an utter gimp cylian, we tend to have some pretty even fights. Think youre 3-2 up (not counting the df fights where youre buffed and I aint )

 

[Arlone]

Cylian you know I've been 50 with my inf for 5 days or so and already I can pull out +10 screens of SB's hitting me for +300 damage when I hit them back for ~100ish.

A normal Ameslash will do 150ish damage, unless buffed, on an unbuffed target (yeh, loads of those around .. right). Normally I hit for 90 or so while I get 3 shotted by the very skilled "destealth-and-garrote-for-300"-SBs.

Obviously buffed infils will hit an unbuffed SB for the same damage diffrance.

Just proving that all those screens and all that whine means - PISS Show a log of an unbuffed inf that constantly hit for +200 damage (no random crits) and you would have a point. Thing is tho .. you dont.

 

[old.Hellskor]

mind to post them then ?

and may I point you to a post from one of your fellow realm mates, that that 264 + 97 hit was no crit ?

look above...

 

[staffzor]

Arlone

This might sound silly but... are you:

* Buffed?
* Spell Crafted?
* Specced sensibly(i.e. not 50thrust and 50 slash ><)
* Using weapons and armour that are 99/100 qual and enchanted and ofc lvl 50/51?
* Styling on a hit?


If you are doing all of these, and still hitting for 90 and not over 100 versus buffed targets, my only guess is that you are......

A SCOUT!

 

[Dunmer]

Originally posted by nerfdom
How High is Samac (inf)

Very hiiiiiiggghhhh.... taking hits from the boooong.....

 

[Lochlyessa]

Btw, if you're 39, he wouldn't have been purple :x

 

[nerfdom]

Colour?

Well thought he was - red then - in the heat of battle twas not really much of a concern - hehe!

Certi

Edit? eh - 11 levels higher? - you sure he wouldn't appear purple - sure sounds like he would to me!

Though, as for missing with snowsquall tis something i am practising a lot - and improved greatly already. Practising being in the right position very quickly that is so that i don't miss!

 

[Lochlyessa]

50 - 50 = yellow
49 - 50 = orange
48 - 50 = orange
47 - 50 = orange
46 - 50 = orange
45 - 50 = orange
44 - 50 = red
43 - 50 = red
42 - 50 = red
41 - 50 = red
40 - 50 = red

My mistake then ^^

 

[inqy]

Originally posted by Arlone Show a log of an unbuffed inf that constantly hit for +200 damage (no random crits) and you would have a point. Thing is tho .. you dont.

But why bother? No-one cares about unbuffed dmg anymore because you will always be buffed right?.

Probably 90% of assassins (maybe higher) are buffed I'd guess. The other 9% just logged in on the enemies side of DF and have to struggle without

That 1% left over is for the people that genuinely run without buffs all the time.

Cylian you know I've been 50 with my inf for 5 days or so and already I can pull out +10 screens of SB's hitting me for +300 damage when I hit them back for ~100ish.

Get some buffs, get some proper sced armour/weaps. Then wtfpwn those sbs, like the rest of the infil population is doing.

 

[old.windforce]

my garrote hits for 140 damage (-60)
non-debuffed SBs hit for little more

50 thrust 39 CS, 25-ish DW with 294 str 332 dex

imho sbs need 2,5 spec points

hunters are on par or better then scouts

minstrels give albion the real advantage in the stealth war

mids have serious advantage of roaming fotm groups

 

[Arlone]

Originally posted by staffzor

* Buffed?

no

* Spell Crafted?

not yet, but +11 slash and +10 cs should help

* Specced sensibly(i.e. not 50thrust and 50 slash ><)

44 cs, 46 slash .. should get nice damage-output with that i recon.

* Using weapons and armour that are 99/100 qual and enchanted and ofc lvl 50/51?

MP weapons (level 51 although I'm not RR5 obviously) and epic until my SC is done.

* Styling on a hit?

We were talking about ameslash yes?

Try it without a buffbot

and oh, edit:

quote from my own post ... A normal Ameslash will do 150ish damage, unless buffed, on an unbuffed target . 90 was against buffed targets. I bet many can confim that an ameslash, or any other style in either slash or CS, will land for about 150ish damage unless you are buffed or fighting a buffed opponent. This BS about every infil hitting for +250 damage is just .. well .. BS. Learn to tell when people are buffed.

Any buffed char will hit for loads .. it's not an infil-ability.

 

[old.Hellskor]

then read again ... I hit FULLY BUFFED for 150dmg AT BEST.

unbuffed it's easy to style with positionals/reactionaries for a whopping 80dmg.
Chain/Plate for maybe 40-50.

 

[staffzor]

TBH it has gotten to the point now where you take buffs for granted, sad maybe but thats the way it is. Myself thrust inf hitting a SB for 208, must be at somewhere near capped speed and thats without hitting offhand is pretty awesome damage, and said SB hitting me back for 90 is just poor. Both of us buffed ofc, and both over RR5.

So going based on the game having every infil/sb buffed yea infils do out hit sbs by a lot! (i kinda expect the one or 2 unbuffed infils to shout atme right now)

And yea 90% of infils should be hitting styled for 190 - 250 and from what I have seen SBs are hitting for a fair bit less. Still at the end of the day Nurf Savages and Healers. :>

 

[Aoln]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
then read again ... I hit FULLY BUFFED for 150dmg AT BEST.

unbuffed it's easy to style with positionals/reactionaries for a whopping 80dmg.
Chain/Plate for maybe 40-50.

pre-nerf u used to be fucking hard tho

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by Aoln
pre-nerf u used to be fucking hard tho

no where near as hard as Mercfils tho

Cap on Doublefrost was 350dmg +50ish offhand ... on lvl1 mobs or sitting targets.

I could get hits for 170 +30dmg on a Comeback.

 

[stafford]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
mind to post them then ?

and may I point you to a post from one of your fellow realm mates, that that 264 + 97 hit was no crit ?

look above...

yer but im fukin 'ard !
50 slash with a 4.1spd weapon on mid leather

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by inqy
Get some buffs, get some proper sced armour/weaps. Then wtfpwn those sbs, like the rest of the infil population is doing.

Pfft you give my 'overpowered fotm df spamming mercfil' some good fights inqy ;o

What makes the difference is the zergs. You can get twatted by an inf for 230 odd (as Cylian says) and win .. you dont win when he has 3 friends. Once you die to 4 ppl you check damage logs and do the 'wtf at this damage'. Fact is you died to superior numbers. Most solo sb's can hold their own against solo infils. Neither side will win 100% unless theyre high crit spec and land PA every fight Then take into account RA's etc ..

 

[nerfdom]

Sum up!

It seems to me that perhaps the specs on all stealthers are not too bad now. The real problem seems to be with the af buffs the infs are getting. I noticed this very much so at Thid level - best buffs meant much lower damage. I literally tore unbuffed infs apart! Obviously a level 50 wotever cleric must have the capability to make this even worse!

Certi

Edit: by the way end use with doublefrost is real high. Anyone done any tests on that realm ability that recovers end whilst fighting - tireless? Is there a break even point where using a lighter weap enables you to keep using doublefrost? As in level 3 in tireless and a 3.1 or even a 2.7 weap mainhand say?

 

[old.Hellskor]

some US players ran some tests on the AF buff, with MotA4 or 5 it's ~17% additional absorb for a Leather wearer.

... that equals chain/scale armor.

 

[leviathane]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
some US players ran some tests on the AF buff, with MotA4 or 5 it's ~17% additional absorb for a Leather wearer.

... that equals chain/scale armor.

lol nice, givf casters plate tho imo.

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by bigchief
Pfft you give my 'overpowered fotm df spamming mercfil' some good fights inqy ;o

What makes the difference is the zergs. You can get twatted by an inf for 230 odd (as Cylian says) and win .. you dont win when he has 3 friends. Once you die to 4 ppl you check damage logs and do the 'wtf at this damage'. Fact is you died to superior numbers. Most solo sb's can hold their own against solo infils. Neither side will win 100% unless theyre high crit spec and land PA every fight Then take into account RA's etc ..

so Mid stealther need to outnumber an Infil 3 to 1 in order to win ?

It's kinda like the opposite.

not even mentioning mincers.