How effective are your debuffs

[Ging]

Was pissing about yesterday on my Tri specced cabalist (in between dieing alot) and wanted to test effectiveness of the 30% body debuff.

Gingy rr2 tri specced cabby.
Oljad rr8 (i think) merc with no AoM and 26% body resist

after i debuffed him he still had 10% body resist, anyone know why my 30% debuff only took 16%.

he then logged his cabby on who has 50% body debuff and debuffed me (i have 26% resist) and took me to -4% which is 30% debuff in total.

Im confuzed why a 30% debuff only debuffs for 16% and a 50% debuff only debuffs 30%

any of u maths heads know why this is?

 

[Jimmyjr]

I beleive it is a bug when you delve it, yellow debuff is only supposed to be 15% debuff and last debuff is 30%, they nerfed it in some patch but didn't change the delve, read it somewhere on VN boards, delve gets fixed next patch.

 

[Puppet]

Debuffs, if enough spec in that line, are effectively delve * 1.25. However, thats on resist-buffs. If there are no resist-buffs, they only do half of that.

For the 50% debuff, its effectively 50% * 1.25 = 62% however thats effectively only half because you dont have resist-buffs ----> 30% debuff. Which explains the -4% body resists (vulnerability)

On your RR2 tri-spec caba, you dont have enough spirit-spec to get the *1.25 multiplier, so your debuff does only 30% * 1.00 = 30%. The merc had no resists buffs, so only half effectively ----> 26% - 15% = 11%. Different roundings might show you 10%, which is what you had.

Hope this explains what you saw in detail

 

[Ging]

thats good enough reason to goto 46 for me! cba with his NS'ing crap anyway

 

[Exarkun]

debuff works for full effect on casted resists and only half-effect on item resists.

26%(item) + 24%(casted) = 50%

with a 30% debuff you first strip away the casted resists (24here).
this leaves us with 26% item resists and 6% of buff value. Debuff only works for half on items resists so we have 26%-3%=23% resists left.
If you have 10% spellpierce you strip another 10% leaving your target with 13% resists.
Of course not every person has capped resists

With the 50% debuff you leave your target with 13% resists, if you have 10% spellpierce this means 3% resists.

Up to you if 10% difference in resists is worth wasting a lot of specpoints.
As far as i know you cant debuff someone into negative resists anymore.

 

[Flimgoblin]

thats good enough reason to goto 46 for me! cba with his NS'ing crap anyway

47 24 11 - still get nearsight

 

[Ging]

debuff works for full effect on casted resists and only half-effect on item resists.

26%(item) + 24%(casted) = 50%

with a 30% debuff you first strip away the casted resists (24here).
this leaves us with 26% item resists and 6% of buff value. Debuff only works for half on items resists so we have 26%-3%=23% resists left.
If you have 10% spellpierce you strip another 10% leaving your target with 13% resists.
Of course not every person has capped resists

With the 50% debuff you leave your target with 13% resists, if you have 10% spellpierce this means 3% resists.

Up to you if 10% difference in resists is worth wasting a lot of specpoints.
As far as i know you cant debuff someone into negative resists anymore.

Spending so much on the template to get max dmg output (dmg+speed) and having 5% passive resist pierce + CS id rather be getting them down to 0% or as near as to maximise effectivness of the nukes. Ofc lvl 46 debuff with mof2 is pretty much a garenteed land each time.