News Housing!!

[tierk]

This was interesting reading..

Study 'ends myth' of housing for immigrants - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

I guess that a lot of people will have to find something else to use as an excuse for bashing foriegners, as they are not getting any advantages in the allocation of social housing.

 

[Ezteq]

lol maybe they should just admit that yes they are a bit racist and no they don't want to share their country... has anyone else noticed that people who come out with the crap about "bloody immigrants taking all our houses and jobs" usually start the sentance with "i'm not racist or anything but..." or "i've got mates that are [insert foreign nationality here] but..."


I never really get cross about the immigrants taking up the housing, i do get bloody furious at girls going out and getting knocked up just to get a house though (actually heard girls saying about how the council housing list is so long so they'll go get up zee duff to skip to the head of the line...girl who used to live upstairs from us years ago was acyually having a preggers race with her friend)

and about how the UK housing market seems to be designed to keep first time buyers out...that also really pisses me off.

 

[tris-]

Its not anymore. There is loads of deals on new houses where the government take on 25% of the loan and the 1st timer takes on the other 75%, and gradually pays the govt back after.

 

[yaruar]

Its not anymore. There is loads of deals on new houses where the government take on 25% of the loan and the 1st timer takes on the other 75%, and gradually pays the govt back after.

For which you can buy a shoebox sized 'luxury' apartment if you earn well below average household salary for london. And judging by the builds near to me they will be substandard and fall apart withink 6 months.

As for the whole immigration thing, it's amazing that they only seem to want non white immigrants or eastern europeans to go home, i don't see much call to repatriate the white Aussies, Kiwis and Saffers.

 

[tris-]

Maybe where you live. I know a guy who is getting a house not an appartment.

 

[Access Denied]

Interesting. All crap though. When my missus and I went on the council list where we used to live we were told by the advisor, and I quote: "I'm not supposed to say this but we have been told to give priority to immigrants." This is from a council advisor. Horses mouth so to speak. Of course they could have just been a disgruntled employee but when I was living in Wembley years ago a family moved in down the street, who were saying that they had only been in the country two weeks, whereas my friend Nick, his wife and his two kids had been on the list for nearly 6 years.

 

[Ch3tan]

Interesting. All crap though. When my missus and I went on the council list where we used to live we were told by the advisor, and I quote: "I'm not supposed to say this but we have been told to give priority to immigrants." This is from a council advisor. Horses mouth so to speak. Of course they could have just been a disgruntled employee but when I was living in Wembley years ago a family moved in down the street, who were saying that they had only been in the country two weeks, whereas my friend Nick, his wife and his two kids had been on the list for nearly 6 years.

Right, so it's "all crap". A study carried out to find out the actual statistics is obviously inaccurate because of your two examples?

A study for the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) found that only 1.8 per cent of social tenants had moved to the UK within the past five years.

Maybe you just by chance experienced a case within that 1.8%?

~Rolleyes is not enough.

 

[tierk]

oO its all crap because some half wit told you that there is some underground conspiracy in the housing department to defraud you and your mate Nick out of a house in favour of some immigrant that moved into the country last week?

Its always made me laugh at how some people can still keep this stupid mentality, even when confronted with comprehensive evidence to the contrary.

Sorry i have not had much time from work to add further to this thread since i posted.

I just find it strange that anyone could have possibly believed all the bullshit being spread by parties like the BNP. Its not like they have any evidence to back up what they are saying apart from random crappolla like AD posted earlier.

At least finally we have some proof to point at say sorry mate you are talking SHIT!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Right, so it's "all crap". A study carried out to find out the actual statistics is obviously inaccurate because of your two examples?

While i agree with your point, i do have to offer the alternative of paid studies etc.

Shouldn't rule out propaganda and PR from studies and leave a healthy "mistrust" in place.

Again, not disagreeing, just offering some lean way there.

 

[Hawkwind]

oO its all crap because some half wit told you that there is some underground conspiracy in the housing department to defraud you and your mate Nick out of a house in favour of some immigrant that moved into the country last week?

At least finally we have some proof to point at say sorry mate you are talking SHIT!!

What a complete idiot he must be taking real life examples to argue against some intellectual paper quoting statistical data. Don't know about the rest of you but most people form ideas based on our experiences and not what some think tanks tells us how it is. I would like to know who funded the report and what data they used.

I certainly don't take every white paper and news article as the gospel. Even when it suits the argument!

Sorry but I've seen and heard too many examples just like Access quoted. My mothers best friend worked for the Housing Association at Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council. She has said pretty much the same thing. In the case of that town, it was mainly Polish workers being given preference on housing lists. Some locals, mainly young couples were stuck on the housing lists for years.

Oh noes I be da rascist! Just because I'm not some bleeding heart liberal tree hugger, doesn't mean I'm a fascist keep Britain white flag waver.

Oh and Ez, my best mate growing up was from Mauritius

I don't have any real concerns over Polish workers in UK, they work hard and from experience are generally decent people. I do however object to them being given preference on Housing Association properties because of government pressure.

 

[Hawkwind]

While i agree with your point, i do have to offer the alternative of paid studies etc.

Shouldn't rule out propaganda and PR from studies and leave a healthy "mistrust" in place.

Again, not disagreeing, just offering some lean way there.

Good point Toh, far too many statistical reports bend data to suit a message. Usually funded by so called 'Think Tanks'. I would always question the motives of a report like this and want to know who funded it.

As the great Winston Churchil once said, "There are lies, damned lies and statistics!"

 

[cHodAX]

Certainly not the case in Tameside, I have friends in working for the local public/private housing trust who have told me some horror stories about how the housing list is being manipulated in favour of asylum seekers who are waiting on appeals.

 

[Access Denied]

What a complete idiot he must be taking real life examples to argue against some intellectual paper quoting statistical data. Don't know about the rest of you but most people form ideas based on our experiences and not what some think tanks tells us how it is. I would like to know who funded the report and what data they used.

I certainly don't take every white paper and news article as the gospel. Even when it suits the argument!

Sorry but I've seen and heard too many examples just like Access quoted. My mothers best friend worked for the Housing Association at Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council. She has said pretty much the same thing. In the case of that town, it was mainly Polish workers being given preference on housing lists. Some locals, mainly young couples were stuck on the housing lists for years.

Oh noes I be da rascist! Just because I'm not some bleeding heart liberal tree hugger, doesn't mean I'm a fascist keep Britain white flag waver.

Oh and Ez, my best mate growing up was from Mauritius

I don't have any real concerns over Polish workers in UK, they work hard and from experience are generally decent people. I do however object to them being given preference on Housing Association properties because of government pressure.

 

[tierk]

If there was some sort of conspiracy out there to provide housing to immigrants "fresh off the boat" with priorty over local people and if it was a systematic as some people like to make out, would there not have been some sort of evidence for this uncovered by now? Emails between department heads etc or faxes or some sort of memos?

I am not saying it never happens, in fact i am pretty sure that it will and does happen but not anywhere near the levels that some people would like to make out.

I dont accept the word of some random noob as gospel truth, i prefer to have facts backed with.

 

[nath]

Don't know about the rest of you but most people form ideas based on our experiences

You're absolutely right, people don't look beyond their own experiences to form judgements on things. I think it's why most people are so stupid, an inability to see how small they are in the grand scheme of things and that extrapolating ones own experiences to get an idea of a wider system is a massively flawed way of thinking.

 

[megadave]

Even if asylum seekers did get housing priority, i think it would be fair enough. They have just arrived in the country from some wretched shitpit where their quality of life is far poorer than ours. When they arrive they need somewhere to live far more than most people on the list who are already living somewhere in this country.

Just because some dickhead chav was born in this country, why should he have any more right to live here than someone from a foreign country who is seeking somewhere decent to come and start a life and earn a living?

The sooner people realise we're a fucking planet and not just a bunch of greedy little cuntries the better.

 

[gohan]

Even if asylum seekers did get housing priority, i think it would be fair enough. They have just arrived in the country from some wretched shitpit where their quality of life is far poorer than ours. When they arrive they need somewhere to live far more than most people on the list who are already living somewhere in this country.

Just because some dickhead chav was born in this country, why should he have any more right to live here than someone from a foreign country who is seeking somewhere decent to come and start a life and earn a living?

The sooner people realise we're a fucking planet and not just a bunch of greedy little cuntries the better.

but at the same time people who work but get shit money should have priority over lazy pricks that dont work atall

but its the other way round

 

[tris-]

but at the same time people who work but get shit money should have priority over lazy pricks that dont work atall

but its the other way round

is it? I don;t work and I can tell you I am getting absolutley zero 'bonuses' compared to someone who is employed.

I have very little money for one thing, I have to rely on benefits and family contributions. That is absolutley not a bonus over working. I think sitting at home all day is starting to damage my health in more ways than one, too.

The only 'perk' I have had so far is getting pushed in for an interview at the local job centre, to work in lidl on the tills. I only got pushed through because I was already unemployed, compared to someone who is working and thinking of moving jobs.

 

[gohan]

yes but your quite young and live at home ye?


if u get made homeless ect but still refuse to work 9/10 they will jsut give you a flat (depending on age) like 16-19 is hostle thing 20-24 shared housing and 25+ own flat iirc

 

[gohan]

well obviously


but if u dont have an income u get extra points ect on housing list and get bumped up the list


whereas if u dont earn enough to rent privately that just tought, deal with it ect


loads of young professionals taking home say 1k a month(16k a year before tax) cant afford to rent a flat on that(£550 a month minimum before council tax bills entertain ment ect) so jsut have to rent a room in a shared house or flat share with mate or whateva






whereas some 35yr old thats never worked a day in his life gets a 1 bed flat + bills ect paid for him +£250 cash a month jsut to spunk up the wall


is that a good system?




ive only just last month managed to get my own flat and ive just turned 23 and worked since i was 15 (lived at home till 21 and spent 1 year in shared house)



wtf tris why did u delete your post now im jsut talking to myself

 

[tris-]

Thought id written shite.
I dont know anything about housing stuff.

 

[soze]

The housing list can be played and made to work for you. My cousin just had her first baby so went to get her council flat (this angered me loads). At first she said she had a long term boyfriend (the dad) and was living with her Mum currently. She was told it could take up to 18 months to house her as she had somewhere to stay and a partner. A month later she went back and said she was single and her Mum was kicking her out because of the baby and she got a flat within 6 weeks. Maybe thats why immigrants seem to get priority (if they do) as they have no where currently they are in more urgent need?

 

[Chilly]

They took our jobs!

 

[tris-]

I know thats from southpark, but it is another shit thing thrown about by the anti-everyone brigade. Apparently they come in and take all of our jobs, im not sure thats true.

There is 100s of shit jobs out there, those are the ones they take. If people wernt picky they could have the shit jobs too. In the end theyre paying NI and tax so who gives a shit?