House buying

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xane

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I'm on my third house now, so some experience and advice ...

Mortgages have what is known as indemnity insurance, this is what the lender takes out to ensure that if you run off they can claim back the full amount, unfortunately lenders are not stupid and they get _you_ to pay the premium which can be a sizeable %age of the value, this only actually applies if the mortgage is over 80% (?), so unless you have 1/5th of the price it is probably better to spend the deposit on furniture as there is no real benefit and it will have only a marginal effect on the replayments, although you probably need at least 5% to get the good deals.

Always try and go with a proper Building Society, not a Bank or Finance Company, or one of these Building Societies that became a Bank (like Halifax for example). AFAIK Nationwide is the biggest lender and still a Building Society, and is the one I have stuck with for the last two houses. The benefits of a B/Soc are twofold (a) you get better deals in the long run and (b) if they get carpetbagged (convert to a Bank) you get a lump sum.

Watch out for special deals, one of the traps is you have to take out buildings and contents insurance for the first few years with the lender, this is normally much higher than what you can get from Direct Line, etc, and sort of claws back whatever you save in capped interest rates for the initial period.

Endowment mortgages are not very good now, the only benefit is you can transfer the policy between mortgages and prevent paying higher premiums on it, this is relevant in my case as I have one endowment still running from my first mortgage. There is a lot of argument about endowments right now, many will not return the investment and you get left with a shortfall, however, if you have one that is more than 10 years old it is not time to panic yet, it is likely it may mature okay.

The alternative is repayment, which is best right now, but like fashions it could change. The problem with mortgages is you have no idea what will happen in ten years, let alone 25 or 30 (the normal run of a mortgage) and you are unlikely to have the same house anyway, so go for what gets you the best deal short term (5-10 years).

The advantage today is that the market is slim and lenders are fighting it out, so all the stupid restrictions have all gone as people don't want to be tied in anymore. My last mortgage had a discount that ran for five years, if I had changed house within that time I'd had have to repay part of it, no such clause for my current mortgage, they are a lot easier to get out of.

There is never a "bad" time to buy, having a mortgage is way better than renting, and can even be cheaper in some cases, remember the money you put into a property you get back later, and its a solid investment, whereas rent money goes into someone elses pocket.

My first house cost me £69K, I took out a £62K mortgage, five years later it was worth £50K, I'd have had to find £12K from somewhere if I wanted to sell it. I rented it out, which was enough to cover the mortgage and any expenses and three years later the price was £75K and I sold it making a slight profit, the moral is dont worry about price crashes as you can always get through with little trouble them and the money can come back eventually if you are prepared to wait, also remember that house prices are relative, your house may fall in value but generally so will everyone elses, including the one you want to buy next.

Once you are on the "mortgage ladder" you can make good, the earlier you start the better and easier it gets, right now my property is worth around 2.5-3 times the mortgage, I could sell up move out of London and buy a property outright on the profit, and eliminate the mortgage entirely, its a good position to be in.

The prices of property is sometimes obscene, the second house sold got me over £100K profit (which of course I needed for house number three so I never saw any of it).

Also consider "expenses", lawyer fees is only part of it, you have stamp duty which is normally far greater, and any repairs don't come cheap, so look for things like gas boilers, water system, guttering and roofing, locks on doors, etc. Most call outs start at £40-50, the costs can quickly accumulate.

Good Luck !
 
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kan

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When getting a mortgage it’s important to do your sums :)

Firstly when shown your monthly payment ask him/her to show you how much it is after the fixed rate runs out (loads of peeps get a shock when mortgage doubles after 12 months)

Secondly when calculating your monthly outgoing don’t forget with a property comes water rates, council tax (-25% if living on your own), gas, electric, television licence, Building and contents insurance, phone and lots of little things like window cleaning ect ect. Also there are things like painting, fences and general maintenance of the building.

Shopping around for a mortgage will save you a fortune so don’t go with the first people to offer you a mortgage. Endowment mortgage isn’t recommended at the moment due to the state of the financial sector, but some endowments are still performing really well so you takes your chances (mine is currently about 15% above its target for this time)

For a first time buyer I would recommend buying the most run down piece of shit house that you can.. Look for ones with no central heating and no double glazing. I did this 6 years ago and bought a repossessed house for £31000. I fitted double glazing and central heating and tidied it all up and it was valued yesterday at £120000.

Also check before hand that you can get broadband in that area :)


Hope this helps Durz
 
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Durzel

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Great info folks, especially kan and xane. :)

I will read and digest everything said on here. I certainly wont be buying in the immediate future, but am going to start saving a deposit as soon as possible.
 
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stu

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Try leaving your room first. One step at a time and all that.
 
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Embattle

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I always find it amazing that people end up paying back as much interest as the amount originally borrowed, tis a crazy system.

Most the others have covered many of the bases :)
 
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Dimebag

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Pretty lucky for you huh, seeing as you didnt add anything :D
 
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stu

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Originally posted by kan
does daoc count as leaving the house? :)

Wouldnt know, havent played it in months. Thought that was your thing?
 
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Trebz

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Don't turn a useful thread into a bitchfight please guys, this thread was actually going somewhere.
 
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kan

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Originally posted by stu
Wouldnt know, havent played it in months. Thought that was your thing?

oopps out of date with the news :)



nope i dont do rpg's :)

kill moth, sit and wait, kill moth, sit and wait, kill moth, sit and wait
 
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kanonfodda

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Well, as it's relevant, I am in the process of buying my first house, as they guys said, keep an eye on those hidden costs (indemnity etc).

Got my Mortgage with the Halifax, best deal I was able to find (plus they would lend me the amount I needed). They did not force me to take out buildings and content insurance with them however, even the life insurance was optional :D

Just my two peneth, good luck to all those loking to buy their first house, or indeed those upgrading :D

I'll let you know when the house warming is ;)

(and I get broadband!!!!!!!! yay, no more ISDN for me :clap: )
 
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PhaZeY

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*first post* (cos i forgot about this place)

Bought a place last month - but I'll put a spin on the topic.

$57k (USD) for a 4 bed place, double garage blah blah - finished in 6 months (we bought the plot and the plan) 45 minutes outside of Bangkok central, 1 hour from the airport - 90 mins by road to Pattaya, 55 mins (+airport) by air to Phuket :)

I tried the UK house buying malarky in the UK and fell flat on my face - fee's, fee's and a fee for the fee etc.

I spose the best thing to remember is: buy something you can afford, and most importantly, keep. You dont want a pukka house and then just be a lounge monkey, or watch paint peel, or watch blocked up sewerage pipes etc.

"A house if for life, not just for X-mas"

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