Hopes and dreams for RA overhaul

[Chimaira]

Get rid of Det altogether, and nerf the hell out of CC in RvR.

Get rid of overpowered battle-altering RAs like BOF/SOS etc.

Get rid of BoF and SOS when merc dmg is on pair with savages tyvm mr

 

[Sycho]

Get rid of determination and one cc will win a battle from a sorc/bard/healer, very boring in my view.Just make it go to lv3 max and give hybrids purge on 15min timer perhaps.

 

[Laston]

just nerf det and nerf CC aswell i don´t wanna be mezzed for 1:10 mins as then i can be remezzed

 

[Chimaira]

if u got some kind of resist u should nerf any cc with 25% and not be cced for 1.1 tho

thing is if cc gets heavily nerfed. u think theres a reason to play sorc any more? godamn game. remove ALL ra´s

 

[Balbor]

Mythic have said that all RA will be either 3 ir 5 level based, so that means RA like BOF, VP etc will probably be based on the 3 level system, maybe 10% melee for L1, 20 at L2 etc. RA such as Purge and Group Purge effect thing that are either on/off so what will happen to them, well evel class will probably get purge at a certin level or RR, but group purge may be given to at RR5 to main healer classes etc.

Now mythic say that they are giving counter-part classes the access to the same RAs, but healers, Bards and Sorcerer are counter part classes, Shamen and Cabalists are counter parts. Paladins, Skalds and Wardens are counter parts. Thanes and Clerics are counter parts.

Isn't it dangours giving a primary CCers access to RAs that give them excelent CC defence? (if Healers get GP and Bards get SOS). While CC for healers and Bards is useful to help there group win, Sorcerer must rely on it to help keep them alive. Sorcerer die a lot quicker than Healers and Bards and there only realy role in combat is to CC. Both healer and bards can offer heals, and buff as well.

Yes if you nerf CC then it will be sorcerers that loses out. Healers and bards should have there CC reduced to that of a hybrid class. Sorcerer should also recives some form or instent CC in both Body and Mind lines and AOE stun and instent stun added to there matter lines, this would bring them into line as a primary cloth cast over hybrid/healer classes.

The only people that complain about change are those doing well atm. I don't think that because a player has been playing for years they should have the right to beat those that haven't. Time just = money, and ith mythic desided to allow player to by off them ingame cash, character level or realm ranks no one would like it. ATM i can't really see why anyone would want to start the game new only to constently get beaten older players. Its become a catch 22 situation, you can't compete in RvR until your characer is of a high enough relam rank, but you can't get to that realm rank until you start RvRing.

 

[Laston]

if u got some kind of resist u should nerf any cc with 25% and not be cced for 1.1 tho

thing is if cc gets heavily nerfed. u think theres a reason to play sorc any more? godamn game. remove ALL ra´s

yeah but still, we will be back to the darkageofcastalot then when you can mezz enemy tanks for like 30-50 seconds and that is all the time you need to keel the support

 

[Klonk]

"Shamen and Cabalists are counter parts. Paladins, Skalds and Wardens are counter parts. Thanes and Clerics are counter parts.."

Hm, really? Can we have some thanes comment on that pls?

 

[Path]

Yes, clerics are so the counterpart of thanes If anything it's the Midgard paladin, offensive in nature as compared to the defensive paladin. That the two don't compare v well is another thing entirely.

Compare clerics and druids, we both have a rejuv and a buff line, but hey, druids have a useful 3rd line? Let's nerf Not even gonna comment on the healer Pac line A Mid grp these days have so much healing power it isn't funny, will be so much fun when they all get access to (nerfed) versions of BoF as well oO

 

[Lejemorder]

you mean like shaman mending line?

oh and about friars only supporting clerics in rvr..... think a shaman with 7 mending does a much better job?

(and shamans cant just take out weapon and whack away
)

sure us friars can train in weapon, but does we get grps of that reason?? nope..
and shaman aid a gro with more then friars, and as with friars mend/rejuv aint there force... for shamans r it root and disease, this is maybe the best spell in the game + spec buff and resist! (i bet most shaman, also non-bot shamans got that)
now for the friars, we can spec in staff, but still get out-dmg by all other tanks then palas, we only get baseline (but really nice self buffs) and resist buffs!!

in all aspects except 1vs1 will a shaman in a grp beat having a friar in grp

 

[Fluid]

Mythic have said that all RA will be either 3 ir 5 level based, so that means RA like BOF, VP etc will probably be based on the 3 level system, maybe 10% melee for L1, 20 at L2 etc. RA such as Purge and Group Purge effect thing that are either on/off so what will happen to them, well evel class will probably get purge at a certin level or RR, but group purge may be given to at RR5 to main healer classes etc.

Now mythic say that they are giving counter-part classes the access to the same RAs, but healers, Bards and Sorcerer are counter part classes, Shamen and Cabalists are counter parts. Paladins, Skalds and Wardens are counter parts. Thanes and Clerics are counter parts.

Isn't it dangours giving a primary CCers access to RAs that give them excelent CC defence? (if Healers get GP and Bards get SOS). While CC for healers and Bards is useful to help there group win, Sorcerer must rely on it to help keep them alive. Sorcerer die a lot quicker than Healers and Bards and there only realy role in combat is to CC. Both healer and bards can offer heals, and buff as well.

Yes if you nerf CC then it will be sorcerers that loses out. Healers and bards should have there CC reduced to that of a hybrid class. Sorcerer should also recives some form or instent CC in both Body and Mind lines and AOE stun and instent stun added to there matter lines, this would bring them into line as a primary cloth cast over hybrid/healer classes.

The only people that complain about change are those doing well atm. I don't think that because a player has been playing for years they should have the right to beat those that haven't. Time just = money, and ith mythic desided to allow player to by off them ingame cash, character level or realm ranks no one would like it. ATM i can't really see why anyone would want to start the game new only to constently get beaten older players. Its become a catch 22 situation, you can't compete in RvR until your characer is of a high enough relam rank, but you can't get to that realm rank until you start RvRing.

are you on crack?

 

[Fluid]

id like to see Friars have their Rejuv line upped to be more inline with other secondary healers from other realms.

do you have any clue what you are talking about? the friars rejuv line is better than wardens and equal to the shamens, friars just have a much more attractive second line to spec in than wardens so don't go high rejuv. Hell wardens don't even get cure disease or cure poisen in there reg line, all we get is a major heal and some crappy self health regen buff. Also correct me if i am wrong but both shamens and friars both have access to mastery of concentration, wardens again, don't get this ability. Next time please read up on things before making useless comments.

 

[Balbor]

do you have any clue what you are talking about? the friars rejuv line is better than wardens and equal to the shamens, friars just have a much more attractive second line to spec in than wardens so don't go high rejuv. Hell wardens don't even get cure disease or cure poisen in there reg line, all we get is a major heal and some crappy self health regen buff. Also correct me if i am wrong but both shamens and friars both have access to mastery of concentration, wardens again, don't get this ability. Next time please read up on things before making useless comments.

hahahahaha oh wait your were being serious i'll laugh louder, HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Frigg's is much better than Encouragment (and added to the fact friers need there high specline buffs just to compete with unbuffed classes who can get buffed themselve they can' afford to). Also i don't think Frigg's draws agrou cause its a health regen buff, but can someone conferm. And warden Buff line offers a bit for group friendlyness than Friers. Out of all the secondary healers, shamen have the best Rej line followed by bard. Healing classes are genrally looked at in there group friendlyness, as most classes are. Shamen offer Excellent Buff, Friggs, good heals, and AOE disease, Bards offer top speed, excelent CC, basic combat and basic buffs. Warden offers pour healing, caster speed, good buffs, basic combat and PBT, friers offer pour healing and basic buff, and good combat abilites. Bards, wardens and shamen are always found in effective rvr groups, friers are not.

 

[Fluid]

hahahahaha oh wait your were being serious i'll laugh louder, HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Frigg's is much better than Encouragment (and added to the fact friers need there high specline buffs just to compete with unbuffed classes who can get buffed themselve they can' afford to). Also i don't think Frigg's draws agrou cause its a health regen buff, but can someone conferm. And warden Buff line offers a bit for group friendlyness than Friers. Out of all the secondary healers, shamen have the best Rej line followed by bard. Healing classes are genrally looked at in there group friendlyness, as most classes are. Shamen offer Excellent Buff, Friggs, good heals, and AOE disease, Bards offer top speed, excelent CC, basic combat and basic buffs. Warden offers pour healing, caster speed, good buffs, basic combat and PBT, friers offer pour healing and basic buff, and good combat abilites. Bards, wardens and shamen are always found in effective rvr groups, friers are not.

You are right on 1 thing, friggs doesn't take agro, other than that you are talking about something totally different to what i was. Nowhere did i deny that shamans are a better class overall than friars, they are the best secondary healing class by quite a way imo, so much so that they very rarely heal cos they have so much utility, all wardens have over friars is pbt, friars got staff spec which is much better than blades/blunt spec. Look at it this way, if you put friars in hib and gave them wardens resists buffs, they would be in groups as hib grps don't have the luxury of the CC reducing buffs on the main healer. Now if you put wardens resist buffs on druid and visa versa, do you think wardens would get groups so much in hib? i doubt it very much, but then again, this was about rejuv lines not the other lines, and my reply was to some clown who thinks friars rejuv line is the worst of the seconday healers when its just as good as shammies, and the simple fact they get moc/cure disease puts them leaps and bounds ahead of wardens. If you really wanna see bad healing, try being specced 42 reg and healing with ur biggest heal for 300 cos u can't cure the diseased target. Wardens spec high reg because they have shitty weapon lines unlike friars and shamens have the uber cave line.

 

[Balbor]

You are right on 1 thing, friggs doesn't take agro, other than that you are talking about something totally different to what i was. Nowhere did i deny that shamans are a better class overall than friars, they are the best secondary healing class by quite a way imo, so much so that they very rarely heal cos they have so much utility, all wardens have over friars is pbt, friars got staff spec which is much better than blades/blunt spec. Look at it this way, if you put friars in hib and gave them wardens resists buffs, they would be in groups as hib grps don't have the luxury of the CC reducing buffs on the main healer. Now if you put wardens resist buffs on druid and visa versa, do you think wardens would get groups so much in hib? i doubt it very much, but then again, this was about rejuv lines not the other lines, and my reply was to some clown who thinks friars rejuv line is the worst of the seconday healers when its just as good as shammies, and the simple fact they get moc/cure disease puts them leaps and bounds ahead of wardens. If you really wanna see bad healing, try being specced 42 reg and healing with ur biggest heal for 300 cos u can't cure the diseased target. Wardens spec high reg because they have shitty weapon lines unlike friars and shamens have the uber cave line.

Friers rej line is not as good as Shamens, i doubt any shamen would swap lines with a frier. And remeber Hibs have 3 healer classes and warden could be seen as the 3rd. As a 2nd healer Friers fall way short of the Shamen and Bard. As the non main healers role is to provide added utiliy friers fall way behind all others on this. Wardens are looked at as the PBT classes (a role that thanks to assist trains is pritty ineffective in RvR). I fell that cure disease and cure poison should be baseline abilites for all healing classes as they are given at low spec level, and don't have higher more useful version of them.

 

[Lejemorder]

do you have any clue what you are talking about? the friars rejuv line is better than wardens and equal to the shamens, friars just have a much more attractive second line to spec in than wardens so don't go high rejuv. Hell wardens don't even get cure disease or cure poisen in there reg line, all we get is a major heal and some crappy self health regen buff. Also correct me if i am wrong but both shamens and friars both have access to mastery of concentration, wardens again, don't get this ability. Next time please read up on things before making useless comments.

may tell u secret?? wardens also get end reg and end reduce in regrowth line if u havnt discovred yet , warden get end 4 with 2 regrowth vs friars 2 end reg.
u end reduce is a max of 40% (means perma sprint if u run end) where friars is a max 25% .
shall i tell u more where wardens beat friars?
okay.. u haste is 38% and it last 20 min with no reuse time vs friars haste there is 39% (yea 1% really means alot) and last 30 sec, with a reuse time on 3 mins.
next u get 6 sec pbt if spec high nuture + nice resist, where friars get some nice self buff there is slightly better then a bbs but on a 20 min timer and we get the same resist as a druid, but top energy, spirit and body would much better coz both mid and hibs pbaoe is either energy or spirit.
and last u got caster speed.. remember u cant have anything and wardens r 1 of the few very balanced classes.
ohh btw dont come and tell me wardens only get grps coz of there resist, it simply can be true coz that will show that hib classes in general got to much utility compared to alb

edit: sure i know it r stupid wardens can get cure disease and posion and friars cant get moc

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I think its a mistake first of all to compare classes directly as no two classes from opposing realms work exactly the same way, allowing for different effective team combos.

I think its an even greater mistake to go beyond this and start comparing individual skill/spell lines as if they define the character. It may be true in the case of some character classes that a particular line may need a boost or nerf depending on what is there, but its wrong to directly measure it against a skill/spell line in a class from another realm. The game isn't meant to be balanced like that and shouldn't be taken like that.

 

[Fluid]

may tell u secret?? wardens also get end reg and end reduce in regrowth line if u havnt discovred yet , warden get end 4 with 2 regrowth vs friars 2 end reg.
u end reduce is a max of 40% (means perma sprint if u run end) where friars is a max 25% .
shall i tell u more where wardens beat friars?
okay.. u haste is 38% and it last 20 min with no reuse time vs friars haste there is 39% (yea 1% really means alot) and last 30 sec, with a reuse time on 3 mins.
next u get 6 sec pbt if spec high nuture + nice resist, where friars get some nice self buff there is slightly better then a bbs but on a 20 min timer and we get the same resist as a druid, but top energy, spirit and body would much better coz both mid and hibs pbaoe is either energy or spirit.
and last u got caster speed.. remember u cant have anything and wardens r 1 of the few very balanced classes.
ohh btw dont come and tell me wardens only get grps coz of there resist, it simply can be true coz that will show that hib classes in general got to much utility compared to alb

edit: sure i know it r stupid wardens can get cure disease and posion and friars cant get moc

ok, firstly end4 that wardens get is not perma sprint, end 5 is perma sprint. Our end reduction is nothing when bards playing end5, i've tried spamming fire blades all day long with it, we don't go ooe even without end reduction up. Our haste is in nurture, which again is not being debated here, if u actually read my post you will see nowhere to i deny that our nurture line > friars enhancement line. But on that subject you do know that speed, end and pbt cannot be run at the same time? Personally i would swap out my speed, end regen and end reduction buffs for you cure disease any day of the week. It is the simple fact we don't have that spell that makes us the worst secondary healer at healing.