hmm

[AngelHeal]

lately do u lot think this cluster has gone well done hill?

I can remember saying a few times that this cluster was properly on of the best for adding policy, but now it seems the policy is just to kos? people using the shit excuse with.. they pay there subs, etc who gives a fuck u act like retards ingame = u kill the server,
Seems like AE CF pipzerg and cla and RH guilds always add even if there not in grps, just so frustrating to watch and play with fucking morons :/

....

kos 4 teh win!!

red title means enemy, not friend.
If you don't wanne get killed, go pve.
If you wanne hug a person, try hugging a person on ur own realm.

And the only retards are the people who whine about others saying that they can't kill you because the odds are unfair. SO WHAT!

the only f*cking morons are people who whine about getting killed when the odds are unfair.

you don't say; OMG UR RR5+ grp !! you cant attack us were only rr2!!

OMG UR rr10+ grp you cant attack us were only rr5+!!

got killed /release get over it.
Can't get over it? NOT OUR PROBLEM!

 

[censi]

lol what a lemon.

maybe ask your guild mates why, if they see a FG fighting a FG they leave it?

Or why your guild mates leave soloers alone 1v1.

Fine you dont understand and never will, but if you wanna think like that go join CLA or summin. Your guild is one of the few decent GG's around and the other players that they show respect to REALLY appreciate it. Its people like that who keep the game fun. people with your attitude just sux.

 

[pip]

If you don't like to die in a rvr zone don't go there simple as? if you don't like to get zerged quit simple as? ffs it's not rocket science

 

[Gahn]

If you don't like to die in a rvr zone don't go there simple as? if you don't like to get zerged quit simple as? ffs it's not rocket science

We now know the final plot by Pip, drive em all off the game so he can go round jumping near Brinjia shouting "I'm the King of the Bridge"!!!!

 

[censi]

yer ok.

So lets keep things the way they are and in 3-4 months server might close.

And then your arguement is cool.

what I say is true. The end game is flawed as we all know, but if players are too sh1t to try and make a game of it, then there wont be anything left.

you pip are the epitome of this....

sorry, we had some funny exchanges and I do like a good arguement with you because your a funny guy pip. but facts are facts.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

....

kos 4 teh win!!

red title means enemy, not friend.
If you don't wanne get killed, go pve.
If you wanne hug a person, try hugging a person on ur own realm.

And the only retards are the people who whine about others saying that they can't kill you because the odds are unfair. SO WHAT!

the only f*cking morons are people who whine about getting killed when the odds are unfair.

you don't say; OMG UR RR5+ grp !! you cant attack us were only rr2!!

OMG UR rr10+ grp you cant attack us were only rr5+!!

got killed /release get over it.
Can't get over it? NOT OUR PROBLEM!

Historically speaking kos is kill on site and not kill on sight, so omg you don't have to insta gib every level 1 you see with your RR10+ group over and over again.

Common sense is a hard concept, but red labels doesn't overrule it only because you play a game and use one way of playing it (aka killing everything) it as an excuse for being lame .

 

[AngelHeal]

lol what a lemon.

maybe ask your guild mates why, if they see a FG fighting a FG they leave it?

Or why your guild mates leave soloers alone 1v1.

Fine you dont understand and never will, but if you wanna think like that go join CLA or summin. Your guild is one of the few decent GG's around and the other players that they show respect to REALLY appreciate it. Its people like that who keep the game fun. people with your attitude just sux.

Oh when im in a fg I don't add, but that doesn't change my opinion in the fact that I hate it when people start crying about that they got added on.

 

[AngelHeal]

Historically speaking kos is kill on site and not kill on sight, so omg you don't have to insta gib every level 1 you see with your RR10+ group over and over again.

Common sense is a hard concept, but red labels doesn't overrule it only because you play a game and use one way of playing it (aka killing everything) it as an excuse for being lame .

If we realllyy were that good friends and respect eachother etc.

then can you explain why there are alarm clock raids? not much respect in that ey?

 

[TiLto]

Your all saying this about us solo'ers not wanted to get added on or steamrolled by the opersit realm... ill tell you why we play like that us "stealther's" as u call us, how many hib grps, albs grps, mid grps will invite a nightshade, ranger, infiltrater, scout, hunter, shadowblade, absolutely fook all we dont play solo because thats what like to do givf any stealther the opertunity of a grp and i'll bet they will jump at the chance... think about it if you was a throw us a grp invite we would'nt whine about getting bashed by 8 people

 

[Kaelimar]

lol what a lemon.

maybe ask your guild mates why, if they see a FG fighting a FG they leave it?

Or why your guild mates leave soloers alone 1v1.

Fine you dont understand and never will, but if you wanna think like that go join CLA or summin. Your guild is one of the few decent GG's around and the other players that they show respect to REALLY appreciate it. Its people like that who keep the game fun. people with your attitude just sux.

so basic all in CLA are scumbags in your opinion?
//Peeblez

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

If we realllyy were that good friends and respect eachother etc.

then can you explain why there are alarm clock raids? not much respect in that ey?

I participated in one well planned and exectued AC-RR long time ago and was even in the carrier group (kudos to Graendel and Evita). It was my first time and I was similary excited as having my first sex.

So, AC-RRs are there because:

[x] - You do it the first time and you want to lose your AC-RR-virginity.
[x] - Every day you log in at 4 am with a couple of friends and there is no one to fight and you want to do something for your realm.
[x] - You play AC-ping-pong with your enemy realms.
[x] - You are obsessed by possesing as much power as possible.
[x] - With all the lag and daft BG sheeps it's actually hard to conquer a relic 300 vs 300 and some don't bother to try it the "real way".
[x] - You like the whole siege aspect of the game way more.
[ ] - ...

Anyway, not defending them, adding on a FG with a FG i can somehow understand, doing AC-RRs too, but ganking one solo low RR visible/stealther with 5 RR8+ stealthers over and over again at all common solo/small group spots is just harassment.

Ofc, you can tell the solo'er to fo and leave or to adapt, seems most people decided to fo. I know it's RvR, but RvR is a container for all possible ways of PvP'ing and being a bit more sensible would help the server.

 

[Aran Thule]

maybe ask your guild mates why, if they see a FG fighting a FG they leave it?
Or why your guild mates leave soloers alone 1v1.

If might be because they dont want to interfere on a fight or it might be they want to avoid the agro they would get from the 'dont add' brigade.
What i dont understand is why people whine if they are fighting in a commonly traveled area (DC west bridge for example) and someone joins in.
Also why is it that even after it was generally agreed that Agromon was a full group non-add area full groups still whine if someone joins in on thier fight in the mainland.
Fact is that most of the people preaching about wanting fair fights are hypocrites, where is the fairness when outnumbering people or having superiour experiance? does it stop high RR groups wiping soloers, duos and PuG's?

 

[Javai]

Your all saying this about us solo'ers not wanted to get added on or steamrolled by the opersit realm... ill tell you why we play like that us "stealther's" as u call us, how many hib grps, albs grps, mid grps will invite a nightshade, ranger, infiltrater, scout, hunter, shadowblade, absolutely fook all we dont play solo because thats what like to do givf any stealther the opertunity of a grp and i'll bet they will jump at the chance... think about it if you was a throw us a grp invite we would'nt whine about getting bashed by 8 people

It's two sides of the same coin here. Stealth classes don't get invites to the 'fg vs fg' scene because there you need to have the most competitive fg you can, and to add an Infiltrator or Scout to an Alb group means you will be missing something seen as vital. However, I regularly group infiltrators, scouts, etc because I don't want to make the most opted fg I can I want to have fun with friends on the classes they enjoy playing.

 

[censi]

so basic all in CLA are scumbags in your opinion?
//Peeblez

peeblez u are a good guy that dont add, always liked you and u give good fights. Shadeformat doesnt add on me either and he gives a good fight.

As for the rest they are all paper bag newbs (mostly ebayed) that play like morons. (mcval, pompejes, epoxy etc) They really do sux balls so much its almost like, u wonder what it takes to actually sux that badly, how can it be possible. The fact they add, is prolly partially to do with this, being a complete newb and adding have always been like proportionally related imo.

 

[censi]

gunman too been nice in CLA one more.

 

[Raven]

I play my ranger 99% of the time and have done for the last 4 years exactly the way I want to, I dont zerg, but I do and always have done camp'd towers/keeps, anyone coming into range of of these is fair game imo,

As you say its annoying to have to buff up and travel to alb/hib/mid but everyone, all of us know the chances of getting killed is much higher when fighting very close to any tower/keep in high traffic zones.

I respect peoples choice to 1v1, unfortunately due to where I play from melee is out of the question so I have to put up with lagg a lot of the time, I have the same as most lost count on how many times I've been run over by stealth zergs and FG, that dont add, but felt the need to kill me.

I was merely stating you must be nutz to fight a 1v1 in full view of a twr/keep in a high traffic zone and expect everyone to follow some 'unwrtten rules'

Lets not forget its a game, I think a lot of people on these forums lost that point a while back.

Oh I pay my subs x 2 so I play as I like.

Eble

it wasnt anything directed at you, though i did chose to quote you its just people wonder why there is nobody around when there is no iRvR and the simple reason is it is just pointless to even bother logging on if everywhere you go is camped by 3745329 lollercasters/DI bot duos and archers, have much better things to do with my time.

 

[Raven]

If you don't like to die in a rvr zone don't go there simple as? if you don't like to get zerged quit simple as? ffs it's not rocket science

well thats what the problem is, nobody is going "there" because of people like you.

 

[Raven]

so basic all in CLA are scumbags in your opinion?
//Peeblez

some are nice chaps, most are idiot casters that run around with the sole intention of disrupting fights, they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag on equal terms.

 

[Coldbeard]

Think most decent people have bailed out long time ago or moved to other servers. Let anarchy commence!

With exceptions of course

 

[Coldbeard]

some are nice chaps, most are idiot casters that run around with the sole intention of disrupting fights, they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag on equal terms.

And then there is that Horely guy, whom I don't want to compare to a paper bag because it is degrading to the paper bag.

 

[Himse]

actually all the idiots are still in-game, its just they are the only ones, 99% of the non add people have already quit. People are meeting like minded people now and now liking it.

Seriously what is the fucking point in pveing to 50, getting master levels, artifacts saving up for an SC set (it doesn't matter if its a uber one, i believe most people put effort into it, whatever they can afford) and then just simply playing to add on others. do you people really think anyone wants to stay in-game if all they do is this; buff up, get a boat, get zerged to fuck, rinse and repeat. it gets tired after about half an hour. zerg an add all you like, just don't expect there to be many people willing to put up with it. idiots going out of the way to ruin other peoples fun are the ones to blame, not the solo people.

Thats your opinion, people play the game how they want to. Not everyone has to be a solo gorm for goodness sake. You QQ like a little baby in defending your little solo cause, your a good soloer, but you need to just think some people many want to play their own game, and not just yours.

 

[Raven]

i am not saying they shouldn't do it, i am saying that it is my opinion that its a shit way of treating people and i really cant see where they get enjoyment from. the game's population is dropping like a stone, griefers are not helping at all.
it defies all logic really, you have campers at all three main bridges who stand around bored getting a handfull of RPs every time a soloer pops by, why the hell dont they travel and have some good fights vs equal numbers, what is the point in playing a game and just standing around guarding a bridge, may aswell go and stand in the road for a few hours.

 

[MrBic]

Was thinking of paying my sub again after 1-2 months of being inactive but seeing this thread made me change my mind.
No fun if there still only zerging and adding in rvr.
Better try freeshards instead

 

[jamiesmallicus]

steuk and small group

on the note of killing soloers i had the pleasant surprise of a group of four not killing me today..
cheers you guys didnt do much good mind you because by that time i already had a rr10 bd and rr 7 zerker after...but cheers anyway

jamie

 

[eble@work]

it wasnt anything directed at you, though i did chose to quote you its just people wonder why there is nobody around when there is no iRvR and the simple reason is it is just pointless to even bother logging on if everywhere you go is camped by 3745329 lollercasters/DI bot duos and archers, have much better things to do with my time.

Same goes for me, I log on see no Irvr or anything of interest and log off, unless I'm chatting to someone, I really dont think there are these 100's of people camping the bridges, maybe a 10-20 at most, I guess sometimes the servers just PVE's

Eble

 

[eble@work]

THERE ARE NO TANKS IN BAHGDAD!

(your guild is full of cowards and you add on everything)

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As for you eblevinda. You RVR('d) with your ranger in a real nice quiet time when it was the perfect opportunity to get some nice fights. You decided that was too hard so you opted for RVR'ing right at the base of crau T2, so you can add on 1v1's with COMPLETE rvr immunity. IE the poor sod you are adding on cant even break off his opponent and come get you because of the 20 guards circling. How the hell can anyone get any sort of enjoyment from griefing like that. Every arrow you launch must just send waves of lame guilt through you (or at least it should do). So you set your stall out. You think thats perfectly acceptable, which basically makes you a newb.

That for me is coward. Funniliy enough the guy on your realm logged off from bordem as well. that sort of chicken shit playstyle is completly pointless, doesnt test your toon or you, and basically kills the game. you fooking know it too.



well done, you should just started your arguement with this catch phrase because it just saves time. Basically this phrase only ever comes from lemons (trust me on this)

EEE gods call the police I killed a SB nr crauch, only once I might add, whilst semi afk, reading and eating stuff.

Most people have dfferent playstyles, I do respect the 1v1 and if I remember rightly the SB had killed the NS before I killed him, but I will say again anyone fighting in a very high traffic zone will get killed, its not rocket science, if they were fighting the other side of crauch bridge or in emain I wouldn't go near them, I mean who really cares.

Censi you must respect that I may decide to play different to you and your crew/gang or whatever, it may piss you off but tough shit tbh, bring you hunter crauch side of crauch bridge or near any towers/keeps and I'll stick an arrow up ur arse if I'm about, fight in emain and you most likely wont hear from me again.

I'm not a big fan of people dueling in emain and "I' personally think that has had a big impact on this server cluster to the point we are now seeing vastly reduced numbers playing, people might disagree but hey each to there own I'm ok with that.

What I dont like is when poeple log on hib just to Pm me abuse because someone got killed in an RVR zone, whatever the reasons we all know walking past those keep gates into NF we will get killed at some time, being able to choose how/when isn't a luxury we have else how boring would that be?

Cya out there

Eble

 

[Mas]

If you've ever played in the BG Warsong Gulch in WoW you get a current idea of what rvr is like in daoc. Ive virtually stopped playing daoc now. Too many familiar faces, realmmates and enemies have quitted due to the reasons of the thread starter. Its seems strange but when you stop playing for a month and step back and have a looong look at daoc you can see multiple problems compared to other mmo's. Yes the way PVP works in daoc is the best out there but the way its implemented by a large part of the community truly rawks and its really lol to be forced into using 2 acc's just to get by in rvr.

 

[Conway]

Many people do not post or even have an id on this forum because they play DAOC as a game and do not want or need all the aggression and attempts to enforce playing styles. I don't blame them. I sometimes read this forum and it puts me off logging into game rather than making me think I want to play. The end result though is that you probably don't get a balanced picture of what general DAOC players think.

There is a bitter divide in the community over playing style, which is getting worse. The person who will happily choose not to interfere in what is obviously a clear 1v1 or 8v8 (and sometimes it is far from clear or you run into the middle of something) may react badly to being intimidated into obeying someone elses rules and think the hell with it and just fight everything. A bit of gratitude when people respect your fights might work out a lot better than the abuse when they don't.

The situation isn't helped by most people who choose the no adding rule set having their own version of when it doesn't apply. Don't run over soloers except <insert hated name/class>. Don't add on 8v8's except for <insert hated names/guilds>. They will still be aggressive to/blame others who add on their fights due to similar reasons. So a group adds on your 8v8. Do you ask why they did it or just react? Maybe they did it because the group you are fighting has hit them three times that evening with 12+ people and they are low on respect for them. Maybe you would have done exactly the same in their shoes.

In any case, the whole argument seems really unnecessary given its a big frontier. Most people actually like a chance to peacefully be silly on alts now and then. Why not let people zerg at Dun Crauchon bridge west when they only have a few minute between working and can't join a group, and can't be bothered to get buffed? Why not let people 1v1 on the other bridge? Why not let people 8v8 in Agramon.

Nothing wrong with asking respect for your play style in a particular place but in turn give respect to the other view in the other place. And please, bear in mind, someone may be new, not read these forums, not know your rules. I know it may sound unbelievable but I've known it happen and people get really upset because they got yelled at for a crime they had no idea that they were committing. If you explain that this spot is where people usually just come for 1v1, they and you might end up a lot happier.

What bothers me is sometimes it feels like the point of the game has become not the playing but the aggression to other players and scoring points off them. The rvr section of this forum certainly reads like that sometimes. Its losing all reality too. Everyone is always totally in the right, and everyone else is always wrong. They can prove it too. Well anyone can post one distorted moment out of context and scream THEY ADDED AND I AM A SAINT. At a minimum, everyone at some time must have been in a pickup group that has made a decision on attacking that was different to what they would have chosen.

Oh and yes, its bad for the community, its making people leave. But I think the conflict is the real problem, not any particular playing style.

 

[Darzil]

Oh and yes, its bad for the community, its making people leave. But I think the conflict is the real problem, not any particular playing style.

True words.

Personally when I'm in the zerg, I zerg. When I'm in a roaming fg, we try to avoid the zerg, and also try not to add. Occasionally you end up doing so, somewhat. Like we started to engage a mid group last week, saw there was an alb group attacking them (previously out of site due to terrain), so veered off (at this stage no blows struck or spells cast). One or two of the mids started attacking our group, so we attacked them til they ran off or were dead. Then we moved on. Now, I see that as self defence, maybe the other Albs or Mids saw us as adders.

Ignite

 

[Aran Thule]

What I dont like is when poeple log on hib just to Pm me abuse because someone got killed in an RVR zone

Anyone doing that deserves to be reported and have GOA deal with them, there is no excuse for abuse and hostility.