Hmm, Eve is only a fiver....

[Thadius]

Worth it?

 

[Esoteric]

Im not sure its a fiver but yes its one of the best mmos I have ever played. If your clever enough to get past the tutorial and patient enough to learn/understand the concept of the game.

I think this has to be the most different mmo out there!

 

[LordjOX]

This game is excellent, if you are a patient person that doesn't want instant action and results it is much rewarding in many ways.

 

[Tallen]

I love it because i can have a life while achieving something with the real-time training. Not many games you can achieve something while only playing a few hours per week.

 

[Fana]

I love it because i can have a life while achieving something with the real-time training. Not many games you can achieve something while only playing a few hours per week.

Aye, although you still need to make money (ISK) to progress, skills is half of the character progess and ISK is the other half But yes at least you are making some kind of progress when offline, and that is refreshing. And with a nice corporation you can overcome alot of the ISK need as well.

 

[Pirkel]

Steepest learning curve in an MMO ever.

But I bet it's rewarding if you get past the oh so boring first bit.

 

[Karl]

Fantastic game this is!!

Yes it is a steep learning curve... i suggest you look up and Eve Starters guide, they can be very usefull, and the tutorial is very long but worth doing once....

The game actually has limitless (it seems this way anyway) variations of ships, skills, etc etc so you really never know what your going to be up against.

PvP is so much fun PvE is okay, travel time is pretty dull but if you can get pased that.... just set auto pilot on and go watch some family guy etc. then its not an issue!

The game gets very techincal when you delve deep into it e.g. http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g26.asp

This is a good link to look at: http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_04.asp and click on Picture Tutorial at the bottom of the FAQ section on the left hand side.

 

[LordjOX]

PvP in EVE is just sick fun, kept my blood pump going crazy atleast, beats DAoC PvP by a million imo

 

[Mey]

You can just download Eve. Rather than spend a fiver!

 

[Tallen]

PvP in EVE is just sick fun, kept my blood pump going crazy atleast, beats DAoC PvP by a million imo

Ran my blockade runner down through 2 warp gate camping teams last night and about 18 low sec systems to deliver some lovely BPO's and rare skill books to 0.0 sec space where i had a buyer waiting. Paid-off two alliances to be allowed safe passage through their systems and even got an escort of a Scorp and 3 tacklers through 2 systems as a large rat group was ganking the locals. Watching the tacklers clear me a road was so cool and having a battleship escort converge to escort me was sublime.

Adrenalin? By the end of it i was white as a sheet and made a cool 30m isk..nothing i have ever come across in any mmo even comes close...you have so much to lose, and so much to gain....sweet

 

[Nightchill]

There really aren't many boxes of EVE still around, they stopped making them a while ago. Instead, new players tend to download the client through the site. However, the boxes that do still exist are usually £5 or so yes and that includes the free month Cheaper than getting it through the site/downloading!

A word of warning, if you take the 14 day trial then don't try to upgrade it to a full account with a box key. It's a slow and painful process.

 

[LordjOX]

There really aren't many boxes of EVE still around, they stopped making them a while ago. Instead, new players tend to download the client through the site. However, the boxes that do still exist are usually £5 or so yes and that includes the free month Cheaper than getting it through the site/downloading!

A word of warning, if you take the 14 day trial then don't try to upgrade it to a full account with a box key. It's a slow and painful process.

I got a trial key from gamespy or mmorpg.com or something, then downloaded client and just started paying subs and I had a full EVE account. Excellent stuff, and none of that buy-the-game for 59€ then pay subs crap. You can even start a new account from a game time card, and ofc no buying lots of expansion packs to get all content

 

[Ctuchik]

PvP in EVE is just sick fun, kept my blood pump going crazy atleast, beats DAoC PvP by a million imo

yeah right, my alliance had a war going a while ago. and all that ever happend were that both sides were sitting at one or the other side of a gate camping. that went on for about 2 weeks with neither one wanting to jump through. thats real exititing isnt it?

ended up with CONCORD saying "Fu*k you" and invalidated the war.

/edit: imo the risk of loosing a ship that u have mods on thats worth about 200% more then the actual ship is to much to bare for most ppl (and corps) in the game. i mean, the insurance dont even cover the ship value.

 

[Ctuchik]

Ran my blockade runner down through 2 warp gate camping teams last night and about 18 low sec systems to deliver some lovely BPO's and rare skill books to 0.0 sec space where i had a buyer waiting. Paid-off two alliances to be allowed safe passage through their systems and even got an escort of a Scorp and 3 tacklers through 2 systems as a large rat group was ganking the locals. Watching the tacklers clear me a road was so cool and having a battleship escort converge to escort me was sublime.

Adrenalin? By the end of it i was white as a sheet and made a cool 30m isk..nothing i have ever come across in any mmo even comes close...you have so much to lose, and so much to gain....sweet

R&D missions pay WELL more then all that. have a mate thats bringing in about 10 billion ISK a week from his agents thats getting him T2 BPO's....

 

[LordjOX]

yeah right, my alliance had a war going a while ago. and all that ever happend were that both sides were sitting at one or the other side of a gate camping. that went on for about 2 weeks with neither one wanting to jump through. thats real exititing isnt it?

ended up with CONCORD saying "Fu*k you" and invalidated the war.

/edit: imo the risk of loosing a ship that u have mods on thats worth about 200% more then the actual ship is to much to bare for most ppl (and corps) in the game. i mean, the insurance dont even cover the ship value.

lols

I have not tried alliance wars or anything like that, but lowsec skirmishes vs pirates are fun.
And if you complain about the latter, don't fly an expensive ship. only fly what you can afford to lose, first noob rule one learns in the tutorial afaik

10 bill isk/week is highly unlikely as the chance of getting a decent t2 bpo is minimal, unless hes an uber geek with 20 accounts with max lvl 4 r&d agents churning on each

 

[Tallen]

R&D missions pay WELL more then all that. have a mate thats bringing in about 10 billion ISK a week from his agents thats getting him T2 BPO's....

Your missing the point

 

[Tallen]

yeah right, my alliance had a war going a while ago. and all that ever happend were that both sides were sitting at one or the other side of a gate camping. that went on for about 2 weeks with neither one wanting to jump through. thats real exititing isnt it?

ended up with CONCORD saying "Fu*k you" and invalidated the war.

/edit: imo the risk of loosing a ship that u have mods on thats worth about 200% more then the actual ship is to much to bare for most ppl (and corps) in the game. i mean, the insurance dont even cover the ship value.

Alliance war over a jump gate? What alliance was it and what was the point of the war? Sure you don't mean a corp war?

If your enemy was camping the jump gate then it's incredibly easy to wipe them out regardless of the number or type of ships, stationary camping a jump gate for 2 weeks is a recipe for disaster when your talking fleet combat. I know my corp (let alone my alliance) would have been rubbing our hands together with glee at the prospect.

The most simple tactic would be, assuming they are set up for gate camping (this is simplified, to explain it in full would take too long)..

Take another route to their system, scout em out, set SS, get your covert-ops to scout out their SS, warp in a tanker and run it right at them, hit them unaligning them, wait till they engage, if they dont engage then warp out (95% of the time they will engage, unless they are very well drilled or very experienced, and i dont know of any alliance who would camp a gate for 2 weeks who are either). Once they engage warp out, warp in the fleet, tacklers in first and they are at a disadvantage, unaligned and if they do manage to gang warp, you know where they are going. Sometimes you'll lose with this tactic if your fighting an experienced commander, but loss is all part of the game.

If they don't enagage then use another tactic, there are literally hundreds of ways to wipe out a stationary fleet if you know where they are, what their set-up is and where their SS's are.

EvE fleet combat is all about tactics and the element of surprise.

About losing ships Jox is right, don't take a ship you can't afford to replace into a pvp conflict, most players use T1 ships in fleet combat with basic fittings. Insuring T2 ships is pointless really as the insurance will not cover the cost, not even close.

If you are at the stage where your participating in low sec pvp then you have to be prepared to lose everything, otherwise stay in high sec space because if you are afraid to lose your ship and be podded then you WILL lose your ship and get podded. You'll be trying to run when you should be trying to fight, I have seen it hundreds of times where im fighting 1v1 in an inferior ship with inferior set-up and I have won simply because i am prepared to lose it all and my enemy is not.

Worried about your implants? 1 word, jump clones. If you don't use em, stay out of low sec.

I could go on, but there's no point, you can read all that in the basic new player guides anyway.

 

[Furr]

Im currently battling the MC... am in the Big blue alliance... bloody MC..

Carebears ftw!

 

[Ctuchik]

"stuff"

it started off as a corp war, a corp named pink bunnies declared on our corp (Devils Legue) quite a while ago, ended up with us getting our ppl together to go say hello to them at their temp base in teon, at wich they all scattered like flies as they had mapped out that fking huge system down to the last millimeter and had more safespots in that system then we had in the entire universe.

after a week or so we joined a alliance (talks were already going on afaik when the declare came from bunnies) and they joined in, at that point some other mercenary corp (Fury corp), decalred on our alliance to for no apparent reason, probably to help out "teh wabbits".

again we tried to engage both bunnies and fury and had some degree of success, but i never got the feeling that Fury were intrested in the war as we never really saw many of them, and bunnies did what they usually do, get a agent to find out of the way members of the corp and start to camp whatever station they were docked on, and the moment any of our pvp ops were getting close they all "vanished".

ending up in us being so bloody bored of it all we just started to hang out in our temp base systems, and them doing the same on the other side of the gate. and we DID try to catch them a few times. but when ur facing a fleet of snipers thats camping ~200 km from the gate, theres not a whole damn lot u can do about it. atleast nothing that wont cause massive cracks in the wallet.


/edit: and at the end CONCORD invalidated both wars for unknown reasons, probably coz the other 2 corps didnt pay the war bill or something...

/edit 2: oyeah, fury lost a offline pos right before they went back to their 0.0 space.

 

[Ctuchik]

Your missing the point

yeah i do that alot

 

[Kev]

I dunno i got a BPO for wrath precision cruise and a jevelin large print in the same week ofc they did cost me 350K lp's each Set me abck 6 odd months mission running - but i make roughly 1 - 1.5 billion isk a day after a run ends not to bad imo!

 

[LordjOX]

Sure u dont mean rp's? research points, didnt know u get bpo's of ordinary missions, anyways as u said u got lucky at lottery, and again missile research is some of the easiest, try getting a good tech2 bpo with ships
Good for you atleast

 

[etali]

Eve is fun, I play it off and on. The subscription fee is pricey compared to some other MMOs (although I'm counting the bank charging overseas transaction fees as part of that) but I enjoy it.

Theres a lot of options for how to play (trade / mining / missions / 'ratting') and its worth sticking with it. The first week or two feels a bit slow, but once you have some skills and money you'll love it.

 

[tazzbe]

Also tried the trial once...and there is so much to learn...

The game does seem fun when you get the idea what you are doing...but i never got that far. Maybe i should retry it...and have someone explain in noobterms what is possible etc.

1/2 the words people use i don't understand etc

 

[eveplayer]

EvE is worth all that cash you spend on it
damm I never quit play eve online

 

[svartalf]

I just cancelled my subscription. I am writing this because I wanted to have something to remind myself that I played Eve for 3 months. In addition, I can finally answer Thadius' question.

I thought Eve was shit.

It's not fun, but it's not as easy as stating that. The interesting thing about Eve is that it's not fun in many ways:

The interface is not fun. There are not enough opportunities to keybind and too much right-clicking. When jumping, the menu has to be reset and there's a massive clunk as you come out of warp during which time you can't do anything. This is basic stuff that's needed fixing for many years.

The combat system is not fun. It's really really dull. Despite a wealth of interesting ships, fits and systems, the basics are that if you get the jump (i.e. you are in an alpha-oriented ship and they are fit for ....er ANYTHING other than combat) on someone who is newer than you and they are flying normal ships, they are toast.

Combat isn't visceral and the sound effects are ridiculous. The whole "Orbit" nonsense is really crap. It is hugely weighted in favour of old timers/Real Money Payers. CCP recently (I think) introduced ships which are better than T1 and cost a lot of ISKs and require very few skills to fly. This means that RMPs can just buy those and have a big advantage over newer players. Old timers can access ships such as the Tech 3 ships which are insane compared with T1. Here Eve suffers the problem which afflicts all old MMOs: When people get to a stage where they want to be able to continue to progress but the game has nowhere for them to go. Developers get worried about stagnation, and introduce a more powerful ship for them to fly, but these new ships are much more powerful than new players can access so you end up with a massive gap in what they can do in the game. This means that old players can wardeck noobs and whomp them with no retaliation whatsoever. Although people who do this get disparaging glances from the rest of the community, everybody has to shrug and admit that, "that's Eve".

The rest of the game is solo play. It seems to be a single-player game with a chatroom tagged on top, for the most part.

The solo play is oriented around mini-games. The mini-games are dull:
Blueprint researching is not fun. It suffers because of a massive copying bottleneck which means that the researching facilities are mostly empty, while the copying facilities have huge queues of upto several months. This means that one of the most lucrative parts of the game is virtually off-limits to newer players.

Manufacturing is not fun. Everything is sold on the market for much cheaper than the cost of everything that's used to make it. This means that manufacturing can't be taken up as a career, only a hobby, using whatever minerals you have reprocessed or found.

Mining is not fun. This one doesn't need any elaboration.

Trading is not fun. The margins are really tiny, so you would require an enormous freighter to make any profits. You do not have the skills or money required to fly one.

Planetary interaction is not fun. It's a terrible wrist-aching clickfest which is even more drab than whack-a-mole.

Combat is not risk-free. This is an awful mechanic, and the clone system combined with the implant system make it even worse. It seems to me that CCP are trying to branch out and get more people to play Eve. They are dedicating a lot of resources to incarna, attempting to lure people into more social environments. Why bother? this game is for hardcore gankers and spreadsheet lovers. It's absolutely dire.

It does have some pretty graphics. It's a pity they are of some really ugly ships, though.

The answer to Thadius question is a whopping great big NO!

 

[svartalf]

NO!

Funnily enough, the straw that broke the camel's back was that combat pilots of my alliance wanted payment from the people who were doing other things to pay for their ships. Those cheeky fuckers!

 

[taB]

That rant almost makes me want to re-sub. Cheers svartalf !

 

[svartalf]

That rant almost makes me want to re-sub. Cheers svartalf !

I'm both pleased (because it shows a tolerance and humility) and perturbed (because it shows no adherence to logic) that people are prepared to put up with such fundamental flaws. I suppose I'm just confused.

 

[Cadelin]

I'm both pleased (because it shows a tolerance and humility) and perturbed (because it shows no adherence to logic) that people are prepared to put up with such fundamental flaws. I suppose I'm just confused.

You have already answered your own question:

this game is for hardcore gankers and spreadsheet lovers.