History of Excalibur Relic Raiding?

[Exiled-Mighty]

Mids raid alb (Albs blame world cup soccer match)

heheh, i was in alb at the time, the /as was really funny,

mids at relics ?
nah your jokin its the WC
no really mids at relic
naaah piss off
<relic goes neutral>
OMG WTF ? its the WC

 

[Runolas]

Really, irrelevant. The significant thing he did was knock over one keep after another, until he had all five, night after night.

Like Mids did not raid Albion for weeks during you time with the relics...

If you're daft enough to attack the keeps with 200 people, you deserve to be spotted. It's easy to work around this: You just take the keeps with a force that's much smaller, your relic raid-sized force never leaves your portal keep until all are taken and there's no sign of any resistance. The first thing the enemy knows about it is when it's too late - when the bulk of your force hits the relic keep.

Sure, we could have attack Excalibur with 50 ppl primetime, when everyone and his dog had a char logged inside the relic, meaning 100+ Albs would gather inside the keep within 5 mins. This is BS, both you and I know that this is simply not duable Prime-Time. If you want a relic during primtime you better come with what you got or leave it be.

Bring 4-5fg, and you will be able to take each keep in turn - and if you do it for enough consecutive days, your enemies *will* stop defending, just as we did. Create uncertainty in the mind of your enemy - is it a relic raid, or is it just a keep farming session? If your enemy knows what you're doing, you've lost. If he isn't sure - or if he believes you're just farming when in fact it's part one of a relic raid - then you've won.

We did camp Albion for weeks, before Ardamels primtime relicraid that some silly **** told about it. But as I said the "early warning" system is making RR much much harder now that earlier.

Obviously, I have no idea what he was like from the other side, as it were. I can only say that, as an opponent, the way he relic raided was incredibly admirable. He didn't give up, he wore us down, then he took the relics more of less unopposed. I'll always salute him for that.

I'm not gonna argue that he had a "gang" that lived their own life arround Renaris or other Keeps. However you are imho giving him too much credit. Hibs loose DC often several times a day, but you still don't wear them down. You cannot get arround that the keeps did not report anything, weaker guards more rams on doors etc made it much much easier to RR during PT.

I've got a lot of respect for Arda because he's always had a plan: his raids are worked out, and he actually thinks about what he's doing. I believe Ladonna led the last alarm clock raid. If that's right, then I have no respect whatever for him. Making two half-hearted attempts at a primetime raid, then, when you fail, doing an alarm clock raid and claiming that "Mids can't do a primetime raid because we're outnumbered/spied on" deserves no respect.

The last raid with Ardamel was not halfhearted. We planned and executed many keepsraids b4 the RR. We had just about every guild in Midgard involved only to get "buttfucked" by some lame assed spy uke:

 

[Runolas]

His strategy worked on you. I modelled my raid on his, 2 weeks worth of attrition taking keeps almost every night, not a single mid showed up on relic day.

...your talking of the taking back of the power relics? It was videly known that we would never get to hold all 5 for very long. With much weaker guards at relic and the both Albion and Hibernia on our tale. It was agreed upon that we would let go of the power relics. We fougth hard or them and beat down several RR, b4 you actually got it. Several of those raid was not in term of what you refere to as PT, but still 130 Hibs at 11.00 CET isn't actually halfhearted.

...however with ToA and all ML's/Artifacts etc going on things migth be different

Strategy doesn't make a leader, leaders make strategies, being able to adapt and change strategies to suit various scenarios, these are things leaders are about. Nice pictures, sterling plans they're great, but at the end of the day - who need pretty pictures to take empty, undefended keeps? You can just turn up, as long as someone bring's enough rams for the doors.

Of 15 raids 2 have been at 07.00 CET and the rest have been well within decent hours. Doing a RR at 12.00 CET on a Saturday is well within what I feel is decent hours. Both hibs and Albs have tried and failed. Some of the raids he did could have ended much different if it had not been for server crash. We had you guys realling by the ropes on 2 occations when you were imho "saved" by server crash. I'm also tempted the find out what migth have happend if the the spy on his Excal. RR had not told, cuz that was a good plan and everything was in place.

Leaders also make ppl work togther, ppl listen to leaders and ppl respect leaders. Killgorde was failing on the above and I've always got the impression that was part of why he left, cuz things did not turn out the they way he wanted.

We cannot do anything about the snow that fell last winter. Personly I'm hoping that Albion gets Str and we take Power.

 

[nol]

...your talking of the taking back of the power relics? It was videly known that we would never get to hold all 5 for very long. With much weaker guards at relic and the both Albion and Hibernia on our tale. It was agreed upon that we would let go of the power relics. We fougth hard or them and beat down several RR, b4 you actually got it. Several of those raid was not in term of what you refere to as PT, but still 130 Hibs at 11.00 CET isn't actually halfhearted.

No I was talking about the final power relic that was taken, so it was 4 relics left. Funnily enough, more then enough mids showed up every night to kick us out for the 2 weeks prior to that raid, the numbers did however get less and less as we continued the barrage.

The biggest difference in this entire debacle was you had the opportunity to beat those raids down, something you never gave Albion or Hibernia. 130 Hibs taking keep on the way to Grallar is not only half hearted, it's stupid

...however with ToA and all ML's/Artifacts etc going on things migth be different

Aye like logging back in to a seiged keep?

Of 15 raids 2 have been at 07.00 CET and the rest have been well within decent hours. Doing a RR at 12.00 CET on a Saturday is well within what I feel is decent hours. Both hibs and Albs have tried and failed. Some of the raids he did could have ended much different if it had not been for server crash. We had you guys realling by the ropes on 2 occations when you were imho "saved" by server crash. I'm also tempted the find out what migth have happend if the the spy on his Excal. RR had not told, cuz that was a good plan and everything was in place.

Not 15 raids, 15 relics 2 of the raids collected 6 relics at 7.00(Hib raid was at 5). One collected 3 relics at 10. The only viable one at peak time (i.e. closest windows to server capacity) was against hibs at 5GMT. Most of the raids in peak were challenged and beaten, that is the distinction. Killgordes raid was against superior numbers at primetime. The primetime raid against hibs, mids outnumbered us 2:1 at the best odds, it took us over an hour to eventually dislodge mids. What is the difference between those odds, and the ones that herbal throws at you?

Leaders also make ppl work togther, ppl listen to leaders and ppl respect leaders. Killgorde was failing on the above and I've always got the impression that was part of why he left, cuz things did not turn out the they way he wanted.

We cannot do anything about the snow that fell last winter. Personly I'm hoping that Albion gets Str and we take Power.

I have a very good idea what a leader is, a leader leads by example. Ardamel set the example, Ladona followed.

 

[nol]

We had just about every guild in Midgard involved only to get "buttfucked" by some lame assed spy uke:

It seems quite obvious to me that if there was a spy the albs would have set their alarm clocks too? If there was a spy, they would have known about the raid hence had defenders.

 

[Buffer]

One of the reasons CE was so succesful was because the only reason we went to the alb frontiers was a RR, we raided you for months constantly attacking keeps. All due credit to the albs who came out and fought us. was a lot of fun. We won some, we lost some. We got you so used to us being there that you no longer worried about us taking keeps or a RR and you paid for it in the end.

Another reason for CE success was killgorde ran the the guild with a fist of iron. if u messed up you got a talking to(believe me i had a few of them). But it made a good team cause we played for each other for the overall gain of guild. A good example of this is me called Buffer, omg shaman kill him first, im a skald, thus leaving our real shaman and healers alive longer. Another is Barbar(Skald) dressing like a RM, cloak staff and fooling groups into traps around the corner.

Killgorde always had a plan for the night but he would ask first if others wanted todo smt first ie do df prince raid. We all love rvr tho and thats what we did most and we as a guild played it clever not uber tho

A lot of the problems u have on leading large raids or even taking keeps is lack of control by other people. We have all seen it several people shouting charge in chat/battle groups. RP hungry but they lose overall for the realm.

As for the infamous World Cup raid, personally im not into football, its like me asking you not to raid cause the world poker championship is on, or a film is on tv that i want to watch. The raid was held at a fairly prime time and you had been lulled into a false sense of security due to the previously mentioned raids. Won fair and square in my opinion.

This is my opinion and does not represent CE

 

[noaim]

Really, irrelevant. The significant thing he did was knock over one keep after another, until he had all five, night after night.

Really, how can you call knowing the enemy number irrelevant? In no way can that never be irrelevant. If 20 mids takes keep after keep, you might have a hard time dragging people out. If 200 mids takes keep after keep, you will most likely get people to relic, no matter how many times they took those keeps. So saying that knowing numbers is irrelevant is like saying that sugar is irrelevant in candy.

 

[Runolas]

It seems quite obvious to me that if there was a spy the albs would have set their alarm clocks too? If there was a spy, they would have known about the raid hence had defenders.

Well simple fact was that after raiding Albion for weeks, moving everything into place, there was an Albion standing on our remote loggin spot. As I logged in we got msg that 150+ Alb were at Excalibur. I could be that the term "spy" is the wrong here, but clearly someone found out about the raid and spoke of it.

 

[noaim]

The primetime raid against hibs, mids outnumbered us 2:1 at the best odds, it took us over an hour to eventually dislodge mids. What is the difference between those odds, and the ones that herbal throws at you?

One difference is that 500 albs can take the relic out alot faster than 250 mids can, which gives less time to react and strike at the RR force obviously.

Albs had 200+ people at Mjollner, took inner door down with stealthers, and at the same time took keeps fast with 30+ people at each keep.

We took keeps with the same army as the one that attacked Dagda when we raided you, which gave you more time to react. But your first armies, if I remember correctly, died like flies at the gates to our SM-squads. If we had let those people inside, we would probably have lost. See the difference now?

 

[nol]

Well simple fact was that after raiding Albion for weeks, moving everything into place, there was an Albion standing on our remote loggin spot. As I logged in we got msg that 150+ Alb were at Excalibur. I could be that the term "spy" is the wrong here, but clearly someone found out about the raid and spoke of it.

Logic dictates that there would have been another 150 albs at Excal when you logged in on that Saturday morning too.

I think you guys jumped the gun about spies, as we all tend to do when a raid fails, it was an easy excuse to use for a morning raid. I mean geez, you tried twice, that's nothing, how many times have/had the other 2 realms tried on the strength relic.

Besides, I know for a fact there was a spy on my mid raid, and I used that to my advantage, disinformation is better then any surprise.

Anyway, this has all been covered before, and this thread is all about the relic histories, so maybe we should get back to that.

I agree with Saadyst, it's been too long since Belo wrote a story

 

[nol]

One difference is that 500 albs can take the relic out alot faster than 250 mids can, which gives less time to react and strike at the RR force obviously.

Albs had 200+ people at Mjollner, took inner door down with stealthers, and at the same time took keeps fast with 30+ people at each keep.

We took keeps with the same army as the one that attacked Dagda when we raided you, which gave you more time to react. See the difference now?

The point is that killgorde raided against far superior numbers, and succeeded prime time, that to me is what made that raid special.

I would never know how fast 500 or 250 for that matter can take out a relic, the highest number I have had on a relic keep is 190, so those numbers are both insane to me. With 250 people, why take the other keeps at all? It's easy to manage relic guards with those numbers.

Even if they had done an old school raid, you had as much chance of quelling it, as we had of beating yours, that is what's similar. We didn't raid you at 5am because you had the audacity to bring greater numbers.

 

[noaim]

The point is that killgorde raided against far superior numbers, and succeeded prime time, that to me is what made that raid special.

I would never know how fast 500 or 250 for that matter can take out a relic, the highest number I have had on a relic keep is 190, so those numbers are both insane to me. With 250 people, why take the other keeps at all? It's easy to manage relic guards with those numbers.

Because the fight we had at Dagda when we raided you was one of the best fight I ever was in, and it wouldnt have taken place if we had gone directly for relic.

 

[nol]

Because the fight we had at Dagda when we raided you was one of the best fight I ever was in, and it wouldnt have taken place if we had gone directly for relic.

If you love the fights then why raid when no one can defend?

 

[noaim]

If you love the fights then why raid when no one can defend?

You shouldnt ask me that question, I didnt go on the famous morningraid.

 

[nol]

You shouldnt ask me that question, I didnt go on the famous morningraid.

Ok, but at least we can agree that it doesn't make too much sense in your strategy.

If your objective is to to take relic, then go straight for the relic. If you want to fight, then go hang around dagda for an hour and leave my relics alone

 

[Filip]

Well simple fact was that after raiding Albion for weeks, moving everything into place, there was an Albion standing on our remote loggin spot. As I logged in we got msg that 150+ Alb were at Excalibur. I could be that the term "spy" is the wrong here, but clearly someone found out about the raid and spoke of it.

so many albs was out scouting for you.. i know ppl who used hours watching possible log out spots..

it migth have LOOKED like there was a spy .. but there wasnt ... some guilds/ppl like HW a lot and when we got relic's they live out there... so my guess is that 90-95% of all enemy movement is reportet..

i remember going out there and camping MMG with my minser, and mids just kept slipping though mmg and was just gone ... SB's didnt attack me... smell the RR inc ? ...

it is not that im not 100% sure spy's exists .... but the ppl i know from albion would never accept some1 giving spy info in any form..

i but i guess we covered that allrdy a zillion times ... i just like to write useless posts

 

[noaim]

Ok, but at least we can agree that it doesn't make too much sense in your strategy.

If your objective is to to take relic, then go straight for the relic. If you want to fight, then go hang around dagda for an hour and leave my relics alone

I want both...give cookie!

No but seriously, the fight at Dagda that time was awesome, I think anyone who was there can agree to that. Morningraids are pissboring, anyone can agree to that. But I dont care how people raid, since I chose myself if I want to attend or not, and every realm has the same possiblities to do a morningraid. If they chose not to, respect to that, but it is their own choice, not anyone elses. But a perfect relicraid, imo, includes taking keeps, having a fight at relickeep, getting 1 or more relics home, and all on a reasonable hour. Ardamels raid on Dagda had all that, so I think it was perfect. Herbals was close, but never was a fight in it, things simply happened too fast. So from a raiders POV, I would say that raid was perfect instead. Not from an attenders tho (imo, better add that)

I also liked your raids Nol, at least the keepraids, and the invading of HTK in Odins Was lots of run, one of the best weeks in daoc-history for me at least, and you accomplished what you came for in the end, and I can understand why you dont take keeps aswell with a force of less than 200 people. Its not worth sparing 20+ people on a keep then, to get rid of 4 guards or something. Anyways, I hope there will be a real RR soon, but I guess we need albs to take our str-relics before that will happen, so Herbal, the ball is yours

 

[nol]

I want both...give cookie!

No but seriously, the fight at Dagda that time was awesome, I think anyone who was there can agree to that. Morningraids are pissboring, anyone can agree to that. But I dont care how people raid, since I chose myself if I want to attend or not, and every realm has the same possiblities to do a morningraid. If they chose not to, respect to that, but it is their own choice, not anyone elses. But a perfect relicraid, imo, includes taking keeps, having a fight at relickeep, getting 1 or more relics home, and all on a reasonable hour. Ardamels raid on Dagda had all that, so I think it was perfect. Herbals was close, but never was a fight in it, things simply happened too fast. So from a raiders POV, I would say that raid was perfect instead. Not from an attenders tho (imo, better add that)

I also liked your raids Nol, at least the keepraids, and the invading of HTK in Odins Was lots of run, one of the best weeks in daoc-history for me at least, and you accomplished what you came for in the end, and I can understand why you dont take keeps aswell with a force of less than 200 people. Its not worth sparing 20+ people on a keep then, to get rid of 4 guards or something. Anyways, I hope there will be a real RR soon, but I guess we need albs to take our str-relics before that will happen, so Herbal, the ball is yours

Seriously, I wish I could get 250 people on a raid, but with hib numbers you can't play conventional, you are always going to be outnumbered :/

 

[Clipse]

I want the power relics to try put us on a par a liddle. But, I know, if u lose any relics, alot of numbers would probably dwindle, like that week we had the str relics.

 

[noaim]

Seriously, I wish I could get 250 people on a raid, but with hib numbers you can't play conventional, you are always going to be outnumbered :/

Wishing wont get you there, you have a wife dont you?

 

[Gordonax]

Like Mids did not raid Albion for weeks during you time with the relics...

The last time, I seem to remember it was hardly weeks. You did two serious raids.

Sure, we could have attack Excalibur with 50 ppl primetime, when everyone and his dog had a char logged inside the relic, meaning 100+ Albs would gather inside the keep within 5 mins. This is BS, both you and I know that this is simply not duable Prime-Time. If you want a relic during primtime you better come with what you got or leave it be.

iirc, last time was after the patch that stopped you logging in characters inside keeps if they were under attack. Yes, I'm sure about that - otherwise I doubt we'd have taken the relics off you primetime in the previous raid

We did camp Albion for weeks, before Ardamels primtime relicraid that some silly **** told about it. But as I said the "early warning" system is making RR much much harder now that earlier.

There are as many Mid spies in Alb as there are Alb spies in Mid, so that cuts all ways of course - and all spies should be burned at the stake in my book.

Yes, you raided us strongly after we took the relics - but that's not really showing much in the way of smart thinking. Immediately after someone takes the relics is NOT the time to do a primetime raid, as every Alb around will be on the alert to defend. Do a couple of major keep raids that DON'T take the relics. It's all about making your enemy think you're just raiding for keeps, then hitting them. Make people think you can't take the relics, and your enemies will almost deliver them into your hands.

I distinctly remember Ardamel saying once that Albs didn't have the organisational skills to do a primetime relic raid. Two weeks later, we had them - thanks to major organisational skills. Once Mids began to think we couldn't do it, you'd effectively already lost the relics.

I'm not gonna argue that he had a "gang" that lived their own life arround Renaris or other Keeps. However you are imho giving him too much credit. Hibs loose DC often several times a day, but you still don't wear them down. You cannot get arround that the keeps did not report anything, weaker guards more rams on doors etc made it much much easier to RR during PT.

Well like I said, I can only speak from the opposing side, and as an enemy I have a lot of respect for him. But also as an enemy I remember that he took his keeps one after another, and when that happens you don't need automatic reports of numbers - you get your ass to the frontier when three are down and start retaking. At the time, HG really only did frontier defence RvR, we hardly ever went RvRing for much else as a guild, and we spent a lot of time racing from corners of Albion to fight.

He was smart - he knew that if he took three, four or five keeps every day but DIDN'T go for the relics, after a while we'd assume he wasn't interested in them, or couldn't take them. And that's exactly what happened.

The last raid with Ardamel was not halfhearted. We planned and executed many keepsraids b4 the RR. We had just about every guild in Midgard involved only to get "buttfucked" by some lame assed spy uke:

Half hearted is unfair, yeah - but you were spotted very early anyway. Certainly, in our alliance we didn't get info from any spies, but we knew you were coming far too quickly for you to make a successful raid.

 

[Gordonax]

Really, how can you call knowing the enemy number irrelevant? In no way can that never be irrelevant. If 20 mids takes keep after keep, you might have a hard time dragging people out. If 200 mids takes keep after keep, you will most likely get people to relic, no matter how many times they took those keeps. So saying that knowing numbers is irrelevant is like saying that sugar is irrelevant in candy.

I don't mean that the numbers reported is irrelevant, quite the opposite in fact: I mean that for this strategy to work, you don't HAVE to give away the numbers in your total relic raiding party. You have 4fg that take keeps, night after night for a week. They do them one at a time, camping one of them when they've taken three or four, so it looks like a farming session.
Then when you're ready, they do the same thing again. Only this time, instead of camping, your main relic raid force - which has either logged out somewhere or just hidden in your portal keep - goes DIRECTLY to a relic keep and hits it. That way, unless your enemy is patrolling the frontier (unlikely in this instance) they never know how many enemies are on the relic raid until the moment you hit the keep. And if you have enough people there, you'll be gone with the relics before they can muster enough to stop you.

 

[Gordonax]

One difference is that 500 albs can take the relic out alot faster than 250 mids can, which gives less time to react and strike at the RR force obviously.

Albs had 200+ people at Mjollner, took inner door down with stealthers, and at the same time took keeps fast with 30+ people at each keep.

Well actually, on Herbal's successful raid you reacted far, far too slowly. At the time on BW, there was a lot of talk about how there had been hundreds of Mids at your border keep trying to form up "perfect" groups instead of getting their asses fast to your relic keep. I seem to remember Ardamel admitting at the time that you were slow.

We were fast, but you were slow to defend.

 

[Gordonax]

so many albs was out scouting for you.. i know ppl who used hours watching possible log out spots..

Filip is right. In fact, I seem to remember that we rumbled one of your raids once. We were doing our standard weekly prowl around HW, ended up at MMG, and truesight revealed about a dozen SBs already there (and dead very fast). Then two minutes later 4fg of Mids turned up, killed us, and stayed there (unfortunately, they hadn't killed a scout, who stealthed up and - thanks to the lack of enemy stealthers - survived to watch).
Now there's only one reason why 4fg of Mids sticks around HW MMG, and that's to hold it for when the relics turn up. So we knew that you had to be doing a relic raid.
You don't have to spot 200 people in your frontier to know what's going on - and it doesn't have to be gleaned from spies either

 

[Clipse]

Then when you're ready, they do the same thing again. Only this time, instead of camping, your main relic raid force - which has either logged out somewhere or just hidden in your portal keep

I know this is a game and not really dark ages of Camelot, but logging out and logging back in at some particular time is hardly honourable in my books, coz in IRL its downright impossible.

I can't understand why every Relic raid isnt just normal str8 down the line. get people to a meeting point, or heck all move together, take keep beforehand in smaller groups, wtvr. Heck its embarrasing the lengths people goto.

Bah forget it, I can't change the attitudes of 2000 people.

 

[Angara]

np raided Albs
<-sketchy bits
Albs raid mid early(finster I think)
Mids raid alb (Albs blame world cup soccer match)
Albs raid mid early
Killgorde raids albs for str <-- Brilliant raid, brilliant plan, brilliant execution
Novamir raids Albs for power
<-sketchy bits again
Mids raid hibs at 5am for power
Hibs fetch power back the same night
Ardemel raids hibs at 5am
Ardemel raids Albs at 11am
Jahar raids Mids at 9pm
Albs raid mids at 10am (mids blame necro's)
Mids raid albs at 6am
Jahar raids Mids while mids attack Bledmeer to get it from Albs <-- cheeky raid, but hilarious
Ardemel raids hibs at 5pm
Nol Raids mids at 8pm
Herbal raids mids at peak (mids blame ninja tactics)
Herbal raids mids at peak (mids blame ninja tactics))
Someone from mids raids Albs at 6am

The unabridged relic history of the server.

Wow Nol is it a coincidence that only CF ppl are named on that list? Guess those people done raids but alot more people to mention if you going to mention names..

Anyways, taking power relics from any realm = walk in the park, me and Gilead did it once and succeeded.

However, taking the str relic from albs is where the real challenge lies, let's see how many "good" raid leaders have done it on excalibur on primetime, no one.

Lots of kids here that never done a relic raid moan about what is correct and what's not, I suggest you do one yourself before opening your mouth with clueless shit.

And Ardamel, big thanks to you for keeping doing the relic raids even though some don't agree with you on the time and such, but all in all it made the game lots more fun at some points. We all know you can do a relic raid and organise it without much flaws, but after you done that numerous of times, isn't it time for new challenges now?

Respect to anyone who gets the strength relics in primetime when all realms are balanced in larger numbers...

/Don writing, sorry Ang

 

[Tzeentch]

you dont have to

[edit] was reply to clipse

 

[Tzeentch]

oh there were quite a few raids by Klazart on alb str after he took alb power

or are failed attempts not included.. cus a lot more jsut came to mind ;p

censi picking up the relic was the funniest ever

 

[Fluid]

I know this is a game and not really dark ages of Camelot, but logging out and logging back in at some particular time is hardly honourable in my books, coz in IRL its downright impossible.

I can't understand why every Relic raid isnt just normal str8 down the line. get people to a meeting point, or heck all move together, take keep beforehand in smaller groups, wtvr. Heck its embarrasing the lengths people goto.

Bah forget it, I can't change the attitudes of 2000 people.

for once i agree with you zoyster

 

[nol]

Wow Nol is it a coincidence that only CF ppl are named on that list? Guess those people done raids but alot more people to mention if you going to mention names..

Anyways, taking power relics from any realm = walk in the park, me and Gilead did it once and succeeded.

However, taking the str relic from albs is where the real challenge lies, let's see how many "good" raid leaders have done it on excalibur on primetime, no one.

Lots of kids here that never done a relic raid moan about what is correct and what's not, I suggest you do one yourself before opening your mouth with clueless shit.

And Ardamel, big thanks to you for keeping doing the relic raids even though some don't agree with you on the time and such, but all in all it made the game lots more fun at some points. We all know you can do a relic raid and organise it without much flaws, but after you done that numerous of times, isn't it time for new challenges now?

Respect to anyone who gets the strength relics in primetime when all realms are balanced in larger numbers...

/Don writing, sorry Ang

um, I forgot Klazart's raid on power relic, he was in cf at the time

I only quoted successful raids, obviously if I missed a successful raid I wasn't there, and if it wasn't done by cf I wouldn't have known about it.

Killgorde's raid was primetime on excalibur, that's exactly why it stands out.

I hope you're not calling me a clueless shit because I have done a successful relic raid primetime, so I think I have a right to voice an opinion.

I have no problem with ardamel, I think he does a fantastic job, but in my mind Killgorde's raid was the best. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

<edit: If you know of a successful raid I missed then tell me, I didn't only quote cf raids, I only quoted successful raids.>