History of Excalibur Relic Raiding?

[Ilienwyn]

I know BC was spotted at Sursbrooke and that mids were spotted at MTK, but the thing is, after I gave the signal to start taking keeps they were all down in 20 min not 50 min. The reason we started later was that there was a darn avalonian at the rendezvous point, he just stood there watching in all directions, as if he was expecting someone to come. That screwed up the whole plan.

Guess sending 1fg to kill the avalonian and gather there after he releases was too much to think at that moment?

 

[Icebreaker]

Well m8, you're entitled to having an opinion, but I seriously doubt you've ever done a successful relic raid and never will do.

So retrieving 15 relics on behalf of Midgard, which is way more than anyone else in the history of Excalibur makes me the worst rr leader ever? Back then before the server was upgraded prime time relic raids was quite impossible. Not even the hibs managed to do it in the evening. I've only done prime time raids after the server upgrade and will continue to do so, worst RR leader or not.

You got most of those Relics while all others were still sleeping. Thats kinda ZzzzZzzzzz

 

[Ardamel]

Guess sending 1fg to kill the avalonian and gather there after he releases was too much to think at that moment?

We had Sbs surrounding him m8, he would've been dead in a sec if we wanted to raise suspicion but we didn't.

 

[Xajorkith]

I'm confused was Finnsters raid the same one as the 5am Necro raid, or two different raids?

 

[Aussie]

I'm confused was Finnsters raid the same one as the 5am Necro raid, or two different raids?

so priceless, welcome to daoc m8

 

[Calo]

1 week later after failed RR

go back to cs oh wait... nobody wants u there :wub:

 

[Wildfire]

Haven't read all the posts but there were 5 raids that I did in there somewhere as well, 2 on mid str relics (got 3, 1) and 2 on hib power relics (got 1, 0).

 

[Filip]

bleehhhh at all the hate about the necro raid.... i was leading some parts of it ... remember it was 15+ hours ... and the major factor in alb getting those relic's was mids who couldnt get it into their sculls NOT to attack the keeps ... the whole raid was alb sitting at a keep ... mids hammering their head into the walls .. at some point in the keep figth the mids showed a weak spot .. albs kill the mid zerg .. and take a new keep before mids came back ... then same story .... and after gazillion hours albs got to relic keep (i was sleeping at that time)..

the only set back we had was when mids attacked us OUTSIDE keeps ...

but no1 on the mid side understod that .. to bad .. they lost the relic's..

i understand it was hellish to figth the necro's who could nuke you outside the keep ...

but remember at that point there was no penalty to use a CS ... so a combo of necro's,CS, and mids failing to use the rigth strat cost the relic's ...

 

[nol]

Of course all mids know that most of these attempts were not serious attempts. It's just that after flaming mids for doing morning raids and the NO ONE COULD EVER FAIL a morning raid, it seems a bit hypocritical to actually try and FAIL. This goes for both hib and alb, mids havent failed on morning raids. But that's just me and we all know I'm the biggest hypocrit of all

Do you doubt if hib wanted to we could walk out of your frontier with your relics at 5am if we really wanted to raid?

 

[Warlock]

a combo of necro's,CS, and mids failing to use the rigth strat cost the relic's ...

Filip for the President !

Now share some of your wisdom with us.
Tell us what is the winning strategy to get rid of albs
when after you kill em in open field they return to the fight in necro-protected keep instantly ?

 

[Ardamel]

Do you doubt if hib wanted to we could walk out of your frontier with your relics at 5am if we really wanted to raid?

I know you could.

 

[Gordonax]

It neeeds to be said Nol that the time Killgorde raided Albion things were totally different. That raid would have no chance in hell now, or even 1.5 years ago. Yes, it was a well executed raid, but the planning and organization was still far from those that Ardamel have undertaken. One needs to remember that you could use more rams, guards was much easier and the keeps did not report. In short - a hole different ballpark.

No, I disagree. What Killgorde did was wear us down: over and over again, taking five keeps per night. At first, we defended. By the end of the week, we weren't - and taking the relics were a walk-in. *That* was the great bit - having the patience to raid until your enemy is too tired to defend. And that would work again today, if someone tried it.

 

[noaim]

as far as I remember the late night early morning raids by Hibernia were not genuine attempts at getting the relics. Mostly we suicided on the relic keep, and you guys said we were raiding, guys even run up to the keep nude.

I know novamir took a few people, and I saw a few 'cos it was less then 50 and was mostly an attempt to get mids out to play. Then some Hib organised a morning raid which no one showed up for.

Be that as it may, I am positive you guys will keep thinking these raids were serious because it makes you feel better about your lame raids

Have to quote a realmmate of yours.

failed raids always tend to be "not raids" in the end

And are you 100% sure that noone that were there on one or more of those "raids" would have picked a relic up if opportunity was given?

 

[Bracken]

i think that was the one where albs took some keeps in the late evening and it just snowballed over night, ending-up with albs taking relics at 5am or something?

was divinia/HB who eventually took credit iirc?

Didn't start out as a raid, but with some straight forward keep taking at 8pm. No mid defence, so moved on to the next one, and the next one and it went from there. Eventually mids did defend, when several keeps were down, but the use of bugged necros, coupled with poor turnout/tactics from mids led to the relics falling at around 4am gmt. Necros were fixed a couple of weeks later. The whines lasted considerably longer

 

[Filip]

Filip for the President !

Now share some of your wisdom with us.
Tell us what is the winning strategy to get rid of albs
when after you kill em in open field they return to the fight in necro-protected keep instantly ?

ok ok if you beg me !!

there was no way to drive albs out ... like sometimes there is no way to drive mids/hibs out of lord rooms for albs ... there is nothing else you can do but leave em to boordom ...

if you lead raids you will know that defeats cost you a certain % of your force .... the ppl who despair + the "last run for me" ppl ...

so what you should have done was just to camp albs ... like you so often do if we wanna farm you guys at bleedmer .. .you camp mmg ... becuase your force is to weak to attack the keep ..

it is a strat all realm raid leaders use now.... you should have done same with necro's ..

if you need other ? answered just ask .. (meaning of life is 42.. and yes bad boys do get more sex)

Filip
Theurg of HB ..

 

[Warlock]

there is nothing else you can do but leave em to boordom ...

One essential thing about warfare:
An army cant do NOTHING. It begins to rot otherwize.

When mid force was in frontier you sat in the keeps protected by necros.
Only when mids died at keep you poured out to take another keep.

Leave albs bore in keeps -> our army will rot -> relics are unprotected.
Try to retake keeps -> die several times -> ppl are fed up -> log out -> relics are unprotected.
"No-win" situation.

Ofc the majority of mids choose to attack keeps instead of sitting on their asses waiting. But, if we had chosen to wait, result would be the same.

 

[nol]

Have to quote a realmmate of yours.

And are you 100% sure that noone that were there on one or more of those "raids" would have picked a relic up if opportunity was given?

There's a massive distinction between bringing along rams, seige quipment, balanced groups to a relic keep and floods of enemies throwing themselves naked onto your relic guards. Any raid I lead normally ends with the latter if the times are dodgy. FYI, I have lead raids that started at 6pm, taking many mid keeps, been practically assured of relic victory but rather then continue we have suicided or sat in the last keep because we believed that it was unfair to continue onwards.

I have often thought about what I would do, and long since decided I would take the relic, but I would leave it at the doors of Svasud or Vindsaul. Any Hib that leads a serious morning raid would be the laughing stock of Hibernia and I doubt whether any alliances/guilds would support their action by defending the relic keep.

Mids did that you know, the first time Mid raided us at a lame hour no mids defended Grallar that night. I think that was the time I most repected Mid.

Taking 15 relics is impressive, but when the majority of those relics are at very lame times it starts to create a very tarnished pattern. I have no doubt Ardamel could/can take relics at peak times, but I think the excuses all boil down to lazyness and a severe lack of respect for the enemy realms. People constantly bitch how crap albs are at defending their keeps, but when they did(because they had relics), mids were too fucking lazy to try. Don't blame spies, every realm has to deal with them, more importantly, if there was a spy, howcome 400 Albs were not waiting for them at excal that fine Saturday morning? How many of these raids have been primetime? I can think of only 1, 1 in 15 if pretty poor imho.

And about Killgorde(some other poster mentioned earlier), his raids would still work now, because his strategies were excellent. Killgorde understood the values of patience, discipline and execution, I admired him as a leader and as a foe. I have no doubt that he could successfully raid now, none whatsoever, I think out of all the people who left Midgard, he was the greatest loss.

 

[nol]

there was no way to drive albs out ... like sometimes there is no way to drive mids/hibs out of lord rooms for albs ... there is nothing else you can do but leave em to boordom ...

Filip
Theurg of HB ..

Seigecraft is your friend, practically every realm has difficulty getting into a keep. Taking out the lords room in any situation requires a little finesse and some strategy, don't just charge a protected lords room.

With Fault finder, rams are seldom needed, carry trebs instead, seige equipment can be compressed into lighter bundles now.

To get people into the room, use sos and bof, purge slams in room, take out bad guys.

 

[Tzeentch]

hmm

this is a nice idea

a very nice one

i vote belomar to become offificial scribe/bard/loremaster of excalibur histories

 

[Generation]

Necros were fixed a couple of weeks later. The whines lasted considerably longer

Aye and the whines still continue about necro los abuse.

Anyone remember being on the receiving end of chanter pet nukes through walls, or was i just imagining that for a year?

 

[HerculesPluto]

what about all the finster raids back in the day, most the zerg was made of lvl40+ i distinctly remember ppl shouting at ppl who were under 40 to goto a different place ( blocking a milegate i think) I was lvl39.9 and felt close enough this was b4 we got the .5 thing too ithink. Oh my them were the days. the game felt exciting and different, rvr was interesting too.

 

[Arawn]

there is no such thing as a "correct time" for a rr.. if u get the relics, u have succeded.. who gives a flying fuck if it was in the middle of the night or in the sunny day. Get a grip.
Or... do ppl have to play when YOU feel its right? :C mmkay. twisted, ye.

I so agree...who the fuck cares if someone whines about clock raid ?

I would just enjoy my relics instead

 

[Filip]

Seigecraft is your friend, practically every realm has difficulty getting into a keep. Taking out the lords room in any situation requires a little finesse and some strategy, don't just charge a protected lords room.

With Fault finder, rams are seldom needed, carry trebs instead, seige equipment can be compressed into lighter bundles now.

To get people into the room, use sos and bof, purge slams in room, take out bad guys.

first of all it was an example to illustrate you have to change plans sometimes becuase of "unfair" situations ...

besides that you are 100% rigth in theory....

think you need to be on the alb side in shitloads of keep figths to get the feel of the difference.. i never seen hibs or mids needing trebs to storm the lord room ... sometimes they need trebs to enter the courtyard .. but not to conqure the lord room..

I dont belive in alb defence of lord rooms ... certanly not vs mids ...never did that from the day we had the BG event with 2 guilds from each server (albs spanked hibs and mids so bad ... looonnnggg time ago now though think in patch's around 1.4x)

allso i would never charge a hib defended lord room if they got time to settle ..(schroom//BG//grapple//pbaoe//fields = zillion dead albs)


buuuttt this is not supposed to be a lordroom disqussion ....

about the necro raid:

Leave albs bore in keeps -> our army will rot -> relics are unprotected.

thing is ... albs would be just as boored as mids ... so from beening 1 "most unfair" figth you would have a chance to win the boordom figth ...

 

[regz]

I so agree...who the fuck cares if someone whines about clock raid ?

I would just enjoy my relics instead

loose that avatar man, its kinda disgusting

 

[Runolas]

No, I disagree. What Killgorde did was wear us down: over and over again, taking five keeps per night. At first, we defended. By the end of the week, we weren't - and taking the relics were a walk-in. *That* was the great bit - having the patience to raid until your enemy is too tired to defend. And that would work again today, if someone tried it.

What Killgorde did do was that he raided Albion quite often mostly with Nazgul and later CE. Imho a lot of this had too do with the fact that he and the "Emain" RvR guilds did not get along and he wanted to things differently - a good thing imho.

However at the time you could not know the number of ppl attacking the Keeps, so ofc ppl would say it was only Nazgul/CE raiding again. Thus he could hide is RR-force for a much longer time and that is the KEY to how he managed to take the relic. This tactic is not viable any longer, cuz as soon as the numbers are displayed you will know within second if it is 16 or 200 ppl attacking. Both midgard alliances have camped Albion the time you've got the relics, but you ALWAYS know roughly our numbers from guard kills, thus a RR is insta spotted.

Killgorde was a good leader of few, but a really bad leader for many. He almost destroyed Nazgul when he created CE. Later he abandon CE in daoc, he destroyed the alliance we had, to creat a new one...that eventually died, because he left. I think his intention was good, but the outcome was bad - in fact he brougth a lot unstability. The peak of his daoc time was his RR when ppl still followed him, but as time progressed he made things a lot more difficult. I'm not saying he was alone on this, but he played a mayor part in things that when on - mainly driven by his personal ambition.

I'm saying this cuz I think your gloryfication of him is biazed. Pll like Ardamel and Ladonna have contributed x100 to realm of Midgard. I have never had any differences with Killgorde, but I can still see what a mess he made of everything.

 

[Clipse]

My relic raids on Albion:

My first raid was just ghey

the next was gheyer

Ardamel is a dork :kissit:

Ardamel once u get these "just for the fun" relics, do ever use the 20% bonus ? Or u u go plan something Chart-topping ghey ?

The Olympics is coming up coinciding with the Scandinavian full moon, does that mean Midds will have all 6 relics by the end of the summer ?

I bet you've got the Olympic calender up on the wall, with the dates already planned.

 

[Gordonax]

However at the time you could not know the number of ppl attacking the Keeps, so ofc ppl would say it was only Nazgul/CE raiding again.

Really, irrelevant. The significant thing he did was knock over one keep after another, until he had all five, night after night.

Thus he could hide is RR-force for a much longer time and that is the KEY to how he managed to take the relic. This tactic is not viable any longer, cuz as soon as the numbers are displayed you will know within second if it is 16 or 200 ppl attacking.

If you're daft enough to attack the keeps with 200 people, you deserve to be spotted. It's easy to work around this: You just take the keeps with a force that's much smaller, your relic raid-sized force never leaves your portal keep until all are taken and there's no sign of any resistance. The first thing the enemy knows about it is when it's too late - when the bulk of your force hits the relic keep.

Bring 4-5fg, and you will be able to take each keep in turn - and if you do it for enough consecutive days, your enemies *will* stop defending, just as we did. Create uncertainty in the mind of your enemy - is it a relic raid, or is it just a keep farming session? If your enemy knows what you're doing, you've lost. If he isn't sure - or if he believes you're just farming when in fact it's part one of a relic raid - then you've won.

Both midgard alliances have camped Albion the time you've got the relics, but you ALWAYS know roughly our numbers from guard kills, thus a RR is insta spotted.

Like I said, if you're silly enough to bring a huge force and place it where it will be spotted, then you don't get a successful raid.

Killgorde was a good leader of few, but a really bad leader for many. He almost destroyed Nazgul when he created CE. Later he abandon CE in daoc, he destroyed the alliance we had, to creat a new one...that eventually died, because he left. I think his intention was good, but the outcome was bad - in fact he brougth a lot unstability. The peak of his daoc time was his RR when ppl still followed him, but as time progressed he made things a lot more difficult. I'm not saying he was alone on this, but he played a mayor part in things that when on - mainly driven by his personal ambition.

I'm saying this cuz I think your gloryfication of him is biazed. Pll like Ardamel and Ladonna have contributed x100 to realm of Midgard. I have never had any differences with Killgorde, but I can still see what a mess he made of everything.

Obviously, I have no idea what he was like from the other side, as it were. I can only say that, as an opponent, the way he relic raided was incredibly admirable. He didn't give up, he wore us down, then he took the relics more of less unopposed. I'll always salute him for that.

I've got a lot of respect for Arda because he's always had a plan: his raids are worked out, and he actually thinks about what he's doing. I believe Ladonna led the last alarm clock raid. If that's right, then I have no respect whatever for him. Making two half-hearted attempts at a primetime raid, then, when you fail, doing an alarm clock raid and claiming that "Mids can't do a primetime raid because we're outnumbered/spied on" deserves no respect.

 

[Runolas]

And about Killgorde(some other poster mentioned earlier), his raids would still work now, because his strategies were excellent. Killgorde understood the values of patience, discipline and execution, I admired him as a leader and as a foe. I have no doubt that he could successfully raid now, none whatsoever, I think out of all the people who left Midgard, he was the greatest loss.

Read my post above. There was nothing magical about Killgordes RR, it was totally different times. If Killgorde had tried it now he would have failed. His biggest problem would be to get ppl to follow him, cuz amongs many Mids he does not have a high standing.

I migth ask what his strategy was other than luck. His strategy has never been near what Ardamel have put up. What is there to admire about his leadership? He had his time, but he imo pissed it all away when he started to take things too serious and wanted to control everything and everybody.

 

[Clipse]

oh and btw :kissit:

 

[nol]

Read my post above. There was nothing magical about Killgordes RR, it was totally different times. If Killgorde had tried it now he would have failed. His biggest problem would be to get ppl to follow him, cuz amongs many Mids he does not have a high standing.

I migth ask what his strategy was other than luck. His strategy has never been near what Ardamel have put up. What is there to admire about his leadership? He had his time, but he imo pissed it all away when he started to take things too serious and wanted to control everything and everybody.

His strategy worked on you. I modelled my raid on his, 2 weeks worth of attrition taking keeps almost every night, not a single mid showed up on relic day.

Strategy doesn't make a leader, leaders make strategies, being able to adapt and change strategies to suit various scenarios, these are things leaders are about. Nice pictures, sterling plans they're great, but at the end of the day - who need pretty pictures to take empty, undefended keeps? You can just turn up, as long as someone bring's enough rams for the doors.