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no margin for error, everything has to go perfectly for albs to win a fg v fg fight
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Re: hmm
just might work!
just might work!
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Agree with deygos - gifv more rvr zones!
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Originally posted by Trinilim
Albs zerg for 1 reason and 1 reason ONLY
In RvR albion has been gimped (yeah yeah yeah, ...
blah, blah, blah..
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The original post was not about why albs zerg, - everybody understand why (<grins>, no comments here), but i dont get HIBS reasons for zergin..we went 4 or 5 times out to emain with 1FG only to show, that we wonna some challenging fights, not zerg.. and 5 times got wiped by tons of hibs..
The only exception is LA really. Always challenge to meet them. Thank you guys
And as for CC for albs.. Do you think, that giving albs insta CC will change something?
2fg mids killed about 40 albs at amg today. We had 2 (two) healers in total. We mezzed the whole zerg at amg, and I still had my insta ae stun and insta ae mezz available, using only castable ae mezz. Maybe it was luck. Dunno.
If you will be given insta mezz, you will start to whine that casters (you dont expect it to be given to any other class, dont you?
Cindi,
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old.Tzeentch
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thing is, zerging is ... how can i say it.. EVERYONE on the other end totally hates it.. half the guys that are doing the zerging hates it, but goes along to try and make what they can..
i dunno how people can like this.. i mean, i enjoy the ocassional battle.. not 'zerg', but battle.. when you are one fg, against 2 or 3, and you are losing, some more help comes, the tide turns a bit, rezzes happen, and then more inc and so on.. this happened at tower today, very very enjoyable.. on the other hand.. AMG type camping serves only one purpose. to blockade the albs and force them into a zerg.
and then you get people on /as saying albs are so lame for zerging and its typical
lol?
get a grip, it's so hypcritical to whinge about other realms zerging when the /who emain results show over 50 hibs.
FIFTY hibs. it's 1.50am..
earlier there was 87 hibs.
zerging i understand totally from albs.. if there is an alb zerg in one of the valleys, and i am with 2 good groups, i'll charge them, if they are around 5fg, we'll win.. they ARE gimped.
we (hibs) dont NEED to zerg albs.. but never mind :>
you guys wont listen, you're so into winning such futile lame battles with no challenge, you miss the point.
cindiki, afaik, LA never calls for a clean up squad after we die
if we die, we release and go back.. if we die to a zerg, we'll post that on /as.. but if we die in a fair fight, then you deserve to stay alive and not be trampled over.. cus we hope to meet again
i dunno how people can like this.. i mean, i enjoy the ocassional battle.. not 'zerg', but battle.. when you are one fg, against 2 or 3, and you are losing, some more help comes, the tide turns a bit, rezzes happen, and then more inc and so on.. this happened at tower today, very very enjoyable.. on the other hand.. AMG type camping serves only one purpose. to blockade the albs and force them into a zerg.
and then you get people on /as saying albs are so lame for zerging and its typical
lol?
get a grip, it's so hypcritical to whinge about other realms zerging when the /who emain results show over 50 hibs.
FIFTY hibs. it's 1.50am..
earlier there was 87 hibs.
zerging i understand totally from albs.. if there is an alb zerg in one of the valleys, and i am with 2 good groups, i'll charge them, if they are around 5fg, we'll win.. they ARE gimped.
we (hibs) dont NEED to zerg albs.. but never mind :>
you guys wont listen, you're so into winning such futile lame battles with no challenge, you miss the point.
cindiki, afaik, LA never calls for a clean up squad after we die
if we die, we release and go back.. if we die to a zerg, we'll post that on /as.. but if we die in a fair fight, then you deserve to stay alive and not be trampled over.. cus we hope to meet again
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ok as a hib i say the following:
did you guys in LA and NP (and all the other pure RvR guilds, which I don't mention here now) ever think about the fact that it is very easy to play in a perfect group (all necessary classes available, all players RR6+).
If you are not in one of those guilds (because you are loyal to your mates and dont wanna leave them - yes there are such people you usually do not get such perfect groups. After waiting for a healer for 30 mins you finally give up and go as you are - something LA or NP would never do.
If i am in such a group we would get wiped by a fg NP within 30 secs - even by a good group of albs.
So what I want to say: 1fg vs 1fg battles are great... but if you are in a group with 6 mages and 2 lvl 40 tanks you probably dont want to go anywhere alone... and this holds true for every realm i guess
ad albs being gimped: yes you are and that's a pity - i play alb on pryd and know what it's like
ad LA and NP: i think you are two great RvR groups - but don't expect everyone to like 1fgVS1fg battle - it gets boring after getting wiped the 5th time by one of those RvR-only guild groups...
did you guys in LA and NP (and all the other pure RvR guilds, which I don't mention here now) ever think about the fact that it is very easy to play in a perfect group (all necessary classes available, all players RR6+).
If you are not in one of those guilds (because you are loyal to your mates and dont wanna leave them - yes there are such people
you usually do not get such perfect groups. After waiting for a healer for 30 mins you finally give up and go as you are - something LA or NP would never do.If i am in such a group we would get wiped by a fg NP within 30 secs - even by a good group of albs.
So what I want to say: 1fg vs 1fg battles are great... but if you are in a group with 6 mages and 2 lvl 40 tanks you probably dont want to go anywhere alone... and this holds true for every realm i guess
ad albs being gimped: yes you are and that's a pity - i play alb on pryd and know what it's like
ad LA and NP: i think you are two great RvR groups - but don't expect everyone to like 1fgVS1fg battle - it gets boring after getting wiped the 5th time by one of those RvR-only guild groups...
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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
thing is, zerging is ... how can i say it.. EVERYONE on the other end totally hates it.. half the guys that are doing the zerging hates it, but goes along to try and make what they can..
i dunno how people can like this.. i mean, i enjoy the ocassional battle.. not 'zerg', but battle.. when you are one fg, against 2 or 3, and you are losing, some more help comes, the tide turns a bit, rezzes happen, and then more inc and so on.. this happened at tower today, very very enjoyable.. on the other hand.. AMG type camping serves only one purpose. to blockade the albs and force them into a zerg.
and then you get people on /as saying albs are so lame for zerging and its typical
lol?
get a grip, it's so hypcritical to whinge about other realms zerging when the /who emain results show over 50 hibs.
FIFTY hibs. it's 1.50am..
earlier there was 87 hibs.
zerging i understand totally from albs.. if there is an alb zerg in one of the valleys, and i am with 2 good groups, i'll charge them, if they are around 5fg, we'll win.. they ARE gimped.
we (hibs) dont NEED to zerg albs.. but never mind :>
you guys wont listen, you're so into winning such futile lame battles with no challenge, you miss the point.
cindiki, afaik, LA never calls for a clean up squad after we die
if we die, we release and go back.. if we die to a zerg, we'll post that on /as.. but if we die in a fair fight, then you deserve to stay alive and not be trampled over.. cus we hope to meet again
Great post Tzeentch
everything is right, and i can just hope that camping any amg,mmg,hmg either in Odins, Hadrians or Emain will stop so everyone can get out and get their fun.
stopping camping the milegates would kill most of the zergs.
best regards
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Originally posted by cindiki
Originally posted by Trinilim
And as for CC for albs.. Do you think, that giving albs insta CC will change something?
Maybe not, but removing insta-CC from mid/hib might work, at least for sorcerers.
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Oh yes, that's because you Mids really are superior beings in real life, I would not be surprised to see you walking on water the next time. We bow before thy magnificence, oh great ones.Originally posted by cindiki
And as for CC for albs.. Do you think, that giving albs insta CC will change something?
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old.Tzeentch
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Originally posted by Garbannoch
ok as a hib i say the following:
did you guys in LA and NP (and all the other pure RvR guilds, which I don't mention here now) ever think about the fact that it is very easy to play in a perfect group (all necessary classes available, all players RR6+).
If you are not in one of those guilds (because you are loyal to your mates and dont wanna leave them - yes there are such people
If i am in such a group we would get wiped by a fg NP within 30 secs - even by a good group of albs.
So what I want to say: 1fg vs 1fg battles are great... but if you are in a group with 6 mages and 2 lvl 40 tanks you probably dont want to go anywhere alone... and this holds true for every realm i guess
ad albs being gimped: yes you are and that's a pity - i play alb on pryd and know what it's like
ad LA and NP: i think you are two great RvR groups - but don't expect everyone to like 1fgVS1fg battle - it gets boring after getting wiped the 5th time by one of those RvR-only guild groups...
Ok, I can understand this.. but why do you have to go in zergs consisting of over 4fg?
Isn't 2fg of a not 'perfect' rvr group fine?
Believe it or not, we don't always have the right classes online to make the 'perfect' group..
The other day we had no druid, and we still went... pretty much a melee only group, except for one caster.. we did well.
And yeah, I'm in LA because I am unloyal to my mates.. that's a very broad and generalised assumption to make. And I suppose nothing else matters to me but my realm points right?
But you do raise a good point, it can be a pain in the ass for a lot of people to keep going back again to emain.. hell, as a bard, I get bitched at when we die, pretty much all the time..
but that's the game, some people don't have the time or patience to run out to emain all the time.. but I don't see what the point is, if you're only going to go for a no-challenge zerg in which your participation is adding to the engine lag?
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Yeah...so easy, just sit back and relax.
Right....
/enable autopilot ?
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Very good post u made Garbannoch, i couldn't agree more on what u wrote.
Reading this thread, to me it looks like the only Hibs that don't like Hibs zerg are members from RvR only guilds. Probably because u get less rpts and pretty fights or something? That much i can understand.
But ..... it's much easier for experienced RvR only guild members to work well togheter in an unbalanced group then it is for a random mixed people group that is unbalanced so that's why they usually go along with the zerg.
Besides when u look at the player stats u see that the highest rpts holders usually come from RvR only guilds which causes them to have more RA's which explains the fact they can take larger amounts of enemies in one time and combined with the fact they know how to work well togheter it pretty much explains their objections to zerging quite easy.
I personally don't like zerging either but it's basically the only way to survive a bit longer when ur not in a RvR only guild unbalanced group i think.
Reading this thread, to me it looks like the only Hibs that don't like Hibs zerg are members from RvR only guilds. Probably because u get less rpts and pretty fights or something? That much i can understand.
But ..... it's much easier for experienced RvR only guild members to work well togheter in an unbalanced group then it is for a random mixed people group that is unbalanced so that's why they usually go along with the zerg.
Besides when u look at the player stats u see that the highest rpts holders usually come from RvR only guilds which causes them to have more RA's which explains the fact they can take larger amounts of enemies in one time and combined with the fact they know how to work well togheter it pretty much explains their objections to zerging quite easy.
I personally don't like zerging either but it's basically the only way to survive a bit longer when ur not in a RvR only guild unbalanced group i think.
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tezee fecking pwns
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Hehe
My favorite rvr method is one on one or 2 on some =)
so no matter where i go, that be odins or emain or yggdra or uppland....im simply doing this :wall: when i try to find anything less then 5fgs of anything =)
Tried solo in emain.....only thing i met was 9 fekking fgs of hibs running around and alpha, killing me If hibs could just stop zerging again...plez? Meesa want fragz D
My favorite rvr method is one on one or 2 on some =)
so no matter where i go, that be odins or emain or yggdra or uppland....im simply doing this :wall: when i try to find anything less then 5fgs of anything =)
Tried solo in emain.....only thing i met was 9 fekking fgs of hibs running around and alpha, killing me
If hibs could just stop zerging again...plez? Meesa want fragz D
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I think we will start to see a lot more Hib zergs from next week after their 1fg's start being battered by perma-sprinting, endless styling zerkers
May take Mids a few weeks to catch up the RR's but Hib's glory days are slowly coming to an end.
Not good news for Alb though, and the coming weeks till we all start feverishly levelling our SI chars Alb is gonna suffer severely on both fronts. ATM a fight between Alb and Mid is always great fun, as opposed to trying to compete against hugely overpowered Hibs, and now that Mids are the latest Realm to recieve buffing Alb will struggle more. Maintaining numbers is the only way Alb is going to compete.
Can't wait for the 'Alb' patch. Will probably arrive in US later this month so we will have it in around 3 months and as usual Mythic will probably have overdone it and made Alb overpowered. When that happens I will be interested to see where these uber Hibs are. My guess is that they will suddenly get 'bored with the game'.
May take Mids a few weeks to catch up the RR's but Hib's glory days are slowly coming to an end.
Not good news for Alb though, and the coming weeks till we all start feverishly levelling our SI chars Alb is gonna suffer severely on both fronts. ATM a fight between Alb and Mid is always great fun, as opposed to trying to compete against hugely overpowered Hibs, and now that Mids are the latest Realm to recieve buffing Alb will struggle more. Maintaining numbers is the only way Alb is going to compete.
Can't wait for the 'Alb' patch. Will probably arrive in US later this month so we will have it in around 3 months and as usual Mythic will probably have overdone it and made Alb overpowered. When that happens I will be interested to see where these uber Hibs are. My guess is that they will suddenly get 'bored with the game'.
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old.Tzeentch
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no Ziva, I was not in an RvR guild for most of the time 40+, I joined vengeance for a short while, and went along with them for a bit, it was great fun.. I left vengeance and was not in these RvR guild groups for near a month and EVERY time I went to emain, I ran as one group with the group of randoms I had, and I did good..
Don't give this nonsense that if you are not in a guild group you will lose, this is complete and utter rubbish.
What you DO need in groups is someone who is slightly experienced with RvR and knows how to work with emain.. it is not hard, it is not as if when we go out to emain, we use GP EVERY fight, and instants, and IP and everything we have to win.. the bard runs up, mezzes, the rest of the people kill, then we stick, we move, rest some, then go to find some others.
there is not much more to it.
You see mids doing the same, they dont ALWAYS fight as a guild group but they do very well.. yes I know mids are a powerful realm and they are a nice fight.. but so are hibs.
hell, you even see some albs make a random group and go it alone.. ONE group.. saying that an fg of hibs die easy is total crap.. you have to be REALLY REALLY bad at the game, or asleep to lose like people are suggesting.
Don't give this nonsense that if you are not in a guild group you will lose, this is complete and utter rubbish.
What you DO need in groups is someone who is slightly experienced with RvR and knows how to work with emain.. it is not hard, it is not as if when we go out to emain, we use GP EVERY fight, and instants, and IP and everything we have to win.. the bard runs up, mezzes, the rest of the people kill, then we stick, we move, rest some, then go to find some others.
there is not much more to it.
You see mids doing the same, they dont ALWAYS fight as a guild group but they do very well.. yes I know mids are a powerful realm and they are a nice fight.. but so are hibs.
hell, you even see some albs make a random group and go it alone.. ONE group.. saying that an fg of hibs die easy is total crap.. you have to be REALLY REALLY bad at the game, or asleep to lose like people are suggesting.
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nah saadyst
Seeing a fg of mids is no problem at all if we have no countermess
Which happens more or less every time i team with other guys then warshade =oD
Seeing a fg of mids is no problem at all if we have no countermess
Which happens more or less every time i team with other guys then warshade =oD
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to solve the uber zergs, remove milegates. i wish they would it is impossible for those grps who want to go it alone to get through.
Also add some more variance to RvR zones ruins bridges etc ( that was a good idea who ever said it.) Atm all u do is run around the bloody massive golfcourse that is hibernia. i think the styles of the keeps should change too so what may work for one keep will not work for another keep. RvR has so much potential that could be used but it just stays the same and probably wont which is a shame.
Also add some more variance to RvR zones ruins bridges etc ( that was a good idea who ever said it.) Atm all u do is run around the bloody massive golfcourse that is hibernia. i think the styles of the keeps should change too so what may work for one keep will not work for another keep. RvR has so much potential that could be used but it just stays the same and probably wont which is a shame.
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Midds are very short on numbers, and on healers... Lots of midds play w/o support classes in their grps
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Originally posted by sorusi
Midds are very short on numbers, and on healers... Lots of midds play w/o support classes in their grps
You're not short on healers. You got more lvl50 healers than hibs got lvl50 druids or bards... Albs do have more clerics than you got healers, but clerics are the buffbot class in Alb, whereas that's shammy's business in Mid.
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Cindi's initial post is rather amusing if you look at it in the light of the 4-5 fg Mids (at least 2 of which were NP) that have been camping the bowl and AMG in Emain for the first part of the evening. Here, it's more like, "see how many Mids you can bring with you before you die".
Edit: And, damn Sorusi, your female(!) Berserker Troll is bad news!
Edit: And, damn Sorusi, your female(!) Berserker Troll is bad news!
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We have alot of healers yes its just most of them are not being played, out of the top 50 rp earners on mid 6 are healers, compare this to 5 months ago when youd probley find 15 + in the top 50.
Alot have got bored with having 0 dmg capability and have rerolled.
Trust the people that play Mid on this, we havent got half the healers we had.
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belth
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Tell em to roll on Alb and they might start appreciating their Pac-heavy specs
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Cheese anyone? /Eilia
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*sigh*
Another RP whine...
To NP---leave emain go hadrians for a change?
To the rest "zerg" whiner read above plz...
How about instead of buying a neckie to emain buy one to another realm???
OR....
Mids---go odins? Roam around in our own frontiers?-i know some ppl do this... cheers...
Albs roam around your own frontiers? AND STAY...dont get bored and sui then instant port to emain???Maybe if you guys had some more patience hib/mids would pop more often in you realm??
Hibs...hmm well you realm is allready swarmed by RP horny #¤"¤", but try going alb or mids lands?`start popping keeps 24/7 if noone is around? when the zerg come and you die, well buy a neckie back to same realm? this goes to all realms really...
And plz all this whining about whatever...does it never end?
If you cant handle it play another game??Or do something much more fun RL related? I dono but seems like all these whiners are very frustrated gimps, who dont know what they should do than whine 24/7...
The game isnt dead in anyway, you kill it youselves..there are loads of options, but you are going in a circle doing EXACTLY the same thing over and over again...
Try making a change and start having fun instead of thinking only of RP, Emain, Zerg, Whining....list can go on but i rather stop here!
Another RP whine...
To NP---leave emain go hadrians for a change?
To the rest "zerg" whiner read above plz...
How about instead of buying a neckie to emain buy one to another realm???
OR....
Mids---go odins? Roam around in our own frontiers?-i know some ppl do this... cheers...
Albs roam around your own frontiers? AND STAY...dont get bored and sui then instant port to emain???Maybe if you guys had some more patience hib/mids would pop more often in you realm??
Hibs...hmm well you realm is allready swarmed by RP horny #¤"¤", but try going alb or mids lands?`start popping keeps 24/7 if noone is around? when the zerg come and you die, well buy a neckie back to same realm? this goes to all realms really...
And plz all this whining about whatever...does it never end?
If you cant handle it play another game??Or do something much more fun RL related? I dono but seems like all these whiners are very frustrated gimps, who dont know what they should do than whine 24/7...
The game isnt dead in anyway, you kill it youselves..there are loads of options, but you are going in a circle doing EXACTLY the same thing over and over again...
Try making a change and start having fun instead of thinking only of RP, Emain, Zerg, Whining....list can go on but i rather stop here!
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No even the hibs always think the grass is greener elsewhere.
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not true i know alb sucks
(j/k) just alot of pricks there
(j/k) just alot of pricks there
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tut-ankh-amon
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hehe or maybe the tree lovers think imported weed is better...
HIBZYS LISTEN WE DONT HAVE WEED OK?
Why do y000 think we constantly try to invade????
GIFV FFS
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Hit ^_^
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last night albs had at one moment 22ppl while hib had 127 in emain 30mins later albs were 28 and hibs were 100+ still
30mins later albs were 28 and hibs were 100+ still
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Impossible... Never seen so green grass as in Emain, or the rest of Hibernia, for that matter.