hibs, what happened to you??

[old.Tzeentch]

about albs: they ARE gimped, no matter what you say, a decent hib group is worth two alb groups, a decent mid group is worth two alb groups and it sucks for them, so i dont have any objection when they run in 2fg

IF it was mids coming to emain in the numbers that albs come, then i 100% understand the need to zerg, but comon, you go to amg and people dont even LEAVE the region from there to atk.. what else can you expect to happen, but albs come in a zerg to clear the area?

perhaps if amg was left clear for once, you would see some groups getting through and not just hanging about until there is one thousand more albs?

and dont give me the crap you only zerg cus you got zerged (talking to hibs here)

if that were the case, you would seperate from the zerg once the albs were taken care of, but it's all too easy isn't it? to sit at amg and just act like its PvE all over again, where the healers can hide and not get 'aggro' and you can just relax, chucking a spell now and again to get some rp

hibs nowadays are the prime reason imo albs and mids zerg.

 

[belth]

OMG, Tze talking reason?

 

[Mardukk]

Originally posted by cindiki
never saw hibs zerging in THAT numbers before...
i understand when albs zergin, but hibs? you looked very lame tonight..


Cindi,
Nolby Pride healer

Ask to albs.We dont tend to zerg but sometimes we are forced to because ,whats the point to make a fg and run into 7-8 fg of albs like were seen last night in emain?Its the only way to have an equal battle with the albs...

 

[old.Wildfire]

"Ask to albs.We dont tend to zerg but sometimes we are forced to because ,whats the point to make a fg and run into 7-8 fg of albs like were seen last night in emain?Its the only way to have an equal battle with the albs..."

LOL that would explain why we were chatting away in IRC last night, with wuren moaning quietly about how there are no albs around, then he went to AMG only to discover a huge hibzerg there camping it... this is so typical of hibs recently, I don't think anyone can deny it - you're creating the problem for yourselves, so stop whining here and look critically at your own realm for once before you start to lay the blame on others (i.e. albs).

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
about albs: they ARE gimped, no matter what you say, a decent hib group is worth two alb groups, a decent mid group is worth two alb groups and it sucks for them, so i dont have any objection when they run in 2fg

IF it was mids coming to emain in the numbers that albs come, then i 100% understand the need to zerg, but comon, you go to amg and people dont even LEAVE the region from there to atk.. what else can you expect to happen, but albs come in a zerg to clear the area?

perhaps if amg was left clear for once, you would see some groups getting through and not just hanging about until there is one thousand more albs?

and dont give me the crap you only zerg cus you got zerged (talking to hibs here)

if that were the case, you would seperate from the zerg once the albs were taken care of, but it's all too easy isn't it? to sit at amg and just act like its PvE all over again, where the healers can hide and not get 'aggro' and you can just relax, chucking a spell now and again to get some rp

hibs nowadays are the prime reason imo albs and mids zerg.

Bit of hypocrysy there Tzee, MANY times have I seen LA running back from APK, after camping it for a good 15 minutes.
Blaming other Hibs for the Alb zerg is totally unfair, camping APK is 10 times worse than AMG.

 

[Anu]

All they all lived happly ever after.. Amen

 

[Mardukk]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
"Ask to albs.We dont tend to zerg but sometimes we are forced to because ,whats the point to make a fg and run into 7-8 fg of albs like were seen last night in emain?Its the only way to have an equal battle with the albs..."

LOL that would explain why we were chatting away in IRC last night, with wuren moaning quietly about how there are no albs around]

No albs around because was one of the rare ocassions that hibs owned the emain albzerg and maybe most of the albs logged , played an alt like most hibs do almost every time an albzerg form at Emain.

, then he went to AMG only to discover a huge hibzerg there camping it... this is so typical of hibs recently, I don't think anyone can deny it

Have I to say at this part:
"this is so typical of hibs recently, I don't think anyone can deny it"Lol AN ALB WHINING ABOUT ZERGS?

you're creating the problem for yourselves

?

-
, so stop whining here and look critically at your own realm for once before you start to lay the blame on others (i.e. albs).

1- As i said , hibs dont tend to zerg but , sometimes we are forced to and I dont know an hib who likes to zerg;In every e main cg always some 1 says something like"I dont like to zerg but they are a lot"(Im sure all Hibs have heard something like that) and others always agree w that , we do sometimes because we find It necesary to fight the large zergs OF ALBS we find at emain every day,I can call this "fire vs fire "thing If u prefer
2-No whines In my last post

 

[old.Wildfire]

edit: aww those funky smileys dont work here

edit #2: you miss my point completely - when hibs camp amg unprovoked (as was the case in the instance I gave) what do you expect albs to do???

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian


Bit of hypocrysy there Tzee, MANY times have I seen LA running back from APK, after camping it for a good 15 minutes.
Blaming other Hibs for the Alb zerg is totally unfair, camping APK is 10 times worse than AMG.

LA has never, in the time I joined, camped a PK.

We only stop outside a PK if the region is totally empty of enemy, and we try to taunt a zerg to rush us.

We have never, camped a pk in the way you are suggesting.
I'd invite other realm folk to also say otherwise to this.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
We only stop outside a MG if the region is totally empty of enemy, and we try to taunt a zerg to rush us and mindworms.

 

[old.chipper]

hmm i dont see the problem here, i love fighting in a zerg its alot of fun i also enjoy fgihting 1fg v 1fg when it happens, most battles ever fought are large scale the game is designed to simulate that. we zerg albs they zerg us back and nearly always win cos of superior numbers in the end.
i think there are too many RP hungry people out there RvR isnt just about realm points for me sure its nice to have loads cos of Realm Abilities ppl whine about zergs imo because they get little RP not a problem for me im there for fun so please dont diss people who are with a zerg just cos u dont like it doesnt mean every one else has to dislike it alot of ppl zerg if u want a 1fg on 1fg fight well dont stay in frontiers which hold the portal keeps zergs will always stay in places like emain, odins and hadrians wall cept for relic raids and shit as for campin TK well it dont bother me normally just means whoever is waiting at the bottom of the hill will get owned sooner or later

 

[Mardukk]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
edit: aww those funky smileys dont work here

edit #2: you miss my point completely - when hibs camp amg unprovoked (as was the case in the instance I gave) what do you expect albs to do???

Albs zerg if hibies are camping and If they arent doing it, albs zerg almost always and btw albs camp amg 2.I think albs zerg because you dont know another way to own(except a few guild groups I ve seen).

 

[Wuren]

Belth? Whats with this mindworm talk u posting in different threads, all I can recall from RvR and Mindworms where when some albs near lake got aggro and a Saracen got xp killed.

 

[Arthwyr]

*cough* Albs zerg ... 1st of all albs lack the CC of the other realms wich is the main key of success to beat larger number of enemies.

When our 1 or 2 fg DO beat 2 fg of hibs somewhere the next time they bring 3 groups. If our 2 groups beat the 3 groups they bring 4 and on the very rare occasion this happens(we had a couple of those in odins a while back) we can beat group purge x 2 insta mezz x 4 caster stun x 8 that come with the 4fg we get totaly zerged soon after or they go join their fellow zergers in emain only making the problem worse. Fact is you cant beat a group of hibs in emain one on one because before its dead a new horde is already on you and usualy in greater numbers. Can't even remember the last time we made it to the gorge without being steamrolled.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Wuren
Belth? Whats with this mindworm talk u posting in different threads, all I can recall from RvR and Mindworms where when some albs near lake got aggro and a Saracen got xp killed.

Oh just an incident with about 4 LA trying to kill some albs at mmg a while ago, then seeing some more albs, after which they (LA) proceeded to run to mindworm-lake shore with 1 fg albs tailing, where rest of LA fg was waiting. Just reminding you guys of it for the sake of taunting, I had a laugh at LA's tactics, no hard feelings from me atleast, even if I had gotten an xp-death. It was a mess-up from LA's side too, people running from one target to another, breaking a mezz or two, etc, which I rarely see LA doing. Happened some time after people were coming back from Camlann.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by old.chipper
hmm i dont see the problem here, i love fighting in a zerg its alot of fun i also enjoy fgihting 1fg v 1fg when it happens, most battles ever fought are large scale the game is designed to simulate that. we zerg albs they zerg us back and nearly always win cos of superior numbers in the end.
i think there are too many RP hungry people out there RvR isnt just about realm points for me sure its nice to have loads cos of Realm Abilities ppl whine about zergs imo because they get little RP not a problem for me im there for fun so please dont diss people who are with a zerg just cos u dont like it doesnt mean every one else has to dislike it alot of ppl zerg if u want a 1fg on 1fg fight well dont stay in frontiers which hold the portal keeps zergs will always stay in places like emain, odins and hadrians wall cept for relic raids and shit as for campin TK well it dont bother me normally just means whoever is waiting at the bottom of the hill will get owned sooner or later

holy fuck
use some punctuation please

 

[old.chipper]

sorry tzee i forgot your a leet player and need everything perfect
here u go with added punctuation sorry o perfect one

hmm i dont see the problem here, i love fighting in a zerg its alot of fun i also enjoy fgihting 1fg v 1fg when it happens, most battles ever fought are large scale the game is designed to simulate that. we zerg albs they zerg us back and nearly always win cos of superior numbers in the end.
i think there are too many RP hungry people out there, RvR isnt just about realm points for me, sure its nice to have loads cos of Realm Abilities. ppl whine about zergs imo because they get little RP, not a problem for me im there for fun so please dont diss people who are with a zerg, just cos u dont like it doesnt mean every one else has to dislike it, alot of ppl zerg.
if u want a 1fg on 1fg fight well dont stay in frontiers which hold the portal keeps. zergs will always stay in places like emain, odins and hadrians wall cept for relic raids and shit. as for campin TK well it dont bother me normally just means whoever is waiting at the bottom of the hill will get owned sooner or later

 

[-optical-]

Originally posted by Belomar
Woot, Optical, you're back? Now you get to own my Cabalist instead of my Minstrel, like you vowed. And no, not happy about a steenking Mid coming back to the fold, just happy on the general principle that people return to Excalibur and this game.

Yea well people were saying that most of the experienced mids had left which dont seem to be true, so im happy to start playing this server again.

 

[old.Wildfire]

Oh ffs who let optical out of his fricken cage.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by old.chipper
sorry tzee i forgot your a leet player and need everything perfect
here u go with added punctuation sorry o perfect one

hmm i dont see the problem here, i love fighting in a zerg its alot of fun i also enjoy fgihting 1fg v 1fg when it happens, most battles ever fought are large scale the game is designed to simulate that. we zerg albs they zerg us back and nearly always win cos of superior numbers in the end.
i think there are too many RP hungry people out there, RvR isnt just about realm points for me, sure its nice to have loads cos of Realm Abilities. ppl whine about zergs imo because they get little RP, not a problem for me im there for fun so please dont diss people who are with a zerg, just cos u dont like it doesnt mean every one else has to dislike it, alot of ppl zerg.
if u want a 1fg on 1fg fight well dont stay in frontiers which hold the portal keeps. zergs will always stay in places like emain, odins and hadrians wall cept for relic raids and shit. as for campin TK well it dont bother me normally just means whoever is waiting at the bottom of the hill will get owned sooner or later

so, i enjoy rvr too.. i dont enjoy being at the back of 50 hibs.. running to atk..

i dont like to be the guy who gets bored and runs through amg because it's so boring to camp and not get anywhere...

rp is not important, having fun is, and being with 500000 people and knowing 100% i will not die is totally and utterly boring.

and how am i a 'leet' player?

 

[Wuren]

you write with punctuation !!

 

[Trinilim]

Albs zerg for 1 reason and 1 reason ONLY

In RvR albion has been gimped (yeah yeah yeah, post all the garbage you want about this not being true, I could give you a million reasons why it is), there's no question about it. We have no insta cc other than the nerfed cleric's. Our CC wears cloth, is INCREDIBLY easy to spot (hmm, giant purple hexagons.. what could it be??), or has an incredibly long cast time (minstrel, with the giant green rings to alert where they are).

Our PBAOE is the weakest of all 3 realms, and is utterly useless.

We have no castable stun, other than the nerfed clerics. While midgard has instant aoe stun, and all hibernian casters have castable stun.

We have no 'transforming' tanks, and armsman doesn't compare to hero.

This is just a FEW things that make albion gimped in rvr. But anyways, back to my main point.

Albion is FORCED to zerg. We have NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE. 1fg of hibs and mids are much greater than 1fg of albs. This has been proven time and time again. And people get sick of getting killed all the time.

So what do we do? We get a few groups together to get back at the people that got us. A few other groups see this beginning zerg, and join it to get some payback of their own.

RvR is so incredibly unbalanced at the moment that Albion has been forced to do 1 of 2 things: Form a zerg and stand a chance. Or take up crafting and etc back in Albion.

Hopefully Albion will be upped to the standards of the other realms soon. Don't get me wrong, I want NO realm to be overpowered or better than another. But what I DO want is some balance.

 

[kameh]

Albs only problem is that they have too many classes and because mythic decided that the abilities had to be spread over the classes, they're a mish mash of hybrids.

Mid an hib have far more "pure" classes but alb has far more variety

by the way is there nobody willing to spec for PBT in albion? seems I rarely find a group with it..

 

[Fame]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian


Bit of hypocrysy there Tzee, MANY times have I seen LA running back from APK, after camping it for a good 15 minutes.
Blaming other Hibs for the Alb zerg is totally unfair, camping APK is 10 times worse than AMG.

normally we dont come back from camping APK.

Because normally you get zerged if you stay more than 2min.

But ok we stay in the APK-AMG area to find someone to kill, but what else should we do? sit at amg and wait for alb zerg to arrive? Nobody in LA dont really like that afaik.

 

[old.anubis]

Sanya_Daoc : Albion is not gimped they understimate the power of morale

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by kameh
Albs only problem is that they have too many classes and because mythic decided that the abilities had to be spread over the classes, they're a mish mash of hybrids.

Mid an hib have far more "pure" classes but alb has far more variety

by the way is there nobody willing to spec for PBT in albion? seems I rarely find a group with it..

I for one are a theurgist which has PBT (ok, only 10 sec. but still PBT) and I did it pure for PvE reasons. Why?

OK: Theurgists are OFTEN the only speed-bringers in a group and one thing is more lethal then insta-mezz and that's tank-speed.

But: I can't stack PBT with speed, so I have to change speed for PBT once we encounter enemy. And instead of giving us INSTA-PBT (like a warden: Press button and up is your PBT) they gave me (Alb, ofcourse, so please don't give them insta!) a castable PBT which takes me on average 3 seconds to cast. Imagine a caster standing STILL for 3 seconds before the battle to cast a shieldy-thingy. Looks kinda stupid and draws quite some attention.

That's one of the reasons why you don't encounter PBT that often IMHO.

Hey: I don't even care that Mythic decided to make Albs a bit less powerfull compared to Mids and/or Hibs when you compare the classes. Mythic somehow has to even up the bits a bit. But now Albs SEE with their own eyes they get owned quite easily. Some guys quit Daoc, others quit RvR and alot of guys change realm (!). That throws out the balance of the game.

I don't think Mythic did a wise thing to change stuff in the spell-lines/abilities to balance the realms up (their initial goal). Think they should have made a bonus/penalty system depending on the current population of the realms (perhaps even server-depended) to even up the scores a bit.

Some things are just way beyond the reasonable: You have a class in Albion which MAIN task is to do CC (sorcerer, you know them, the whore-house when he does a spell) and by now there's NO WAY he can pull his trick in RvR: How the hell can be beat:

* Insta-mezz
* Insta-stun
* Insta AoE-mezz
* Insta AoE-stun
* Group Purge
* Purge

If the poor sorc gets his mezz off (WOOHOO! He beat the insta!) it will be purged when he's unlucky.

That just doesn't make sense, IMHO. By not changing the sorc his abilities you made him a total gimp in his primary task (CC) due to 'enhancements' in the other realms.

And there's more inbalance, we all know about it. Loads of hibs and/or mids will deny it, but deep in there hearts they KNOW it's true. It just isn't 1337-Über haX0r or whatever to admit you've beaten an, in overall, inferior realm in a battle.

And to get back to my initial quote: Yes, Albs aren't versatile enough compared to their hib/mid-counterparts or just less equipped. That wasn't so bad in the time where Albs where just BY FAR the biggest realm, but times have changed. It's time for Mythic to re-evaluate the realm-population (active RvR that is) and starts thinking about a new realmbalacing-strategy.

And yeah: This is probably a whine-post in the opinion of a lot of guys but if Mythic doesn't do something against it I see times upcoming where you Mids/Hibs will not see a zerg of Albs in EMain anymore.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by old.anubis
Sanya_Daoc : Albion is not gimped they understimate the power of morale

Please be sure not to forget to mention you're not an Alb. And as an stealther you can easily avoid the zerg. So I think your post is even more biassed as my previous one

 

[tisme]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
Oh ffs who let optical out of his fricken cage.

I didnt......but i would have done if he had asked
<blows a kiss to Optical>

 

[old.chipper]

tzee i dont begrudge u want to go it alone with guild, thats there syle of play and it has proven very effective. i just think some people shit on the people who do zerg as if its taboo you dont enjoy zerging fair enough some people dont like going single grps some people arent fussed either way the whole zerging issue gets blown out of proportion

 

[deygos]

hmm

the zerg…hmmm

is something mythic can address but unfortunately haven’t. This is the single most disappointing aspect of S.I that there are no new rvr zones.

why albs….”zerg”.

*porting ceremony…how do the albs get into emain?……...they port and with the long wait for each porting cere + 50’s population they arrive in bunches…and if someone misses port (some noob with a BG medal on etc <cough>) then they wait even more and the albs pile up

*albs know that 1fg vs 1fg they r pretty much screwed (shouldn’t need to explain this one) so they rely on their numbers and the rest become sheep

*emain is a poorly designed series of narrow tunnels….so groups invariably get forced into forming into packs coz there’s nowhere else to go (compare that to rvring in someone else’s frontier)


solutions

*give us a new rvr zone with bridges and high walls with about 100 ladders on’em (helm’s deep anyone?) for a laugh…..and ruins etc..places to hide other than damn trees and introduce 3 new keeps into this area. or tunnels underground where we can take shortcuts, basically give us MORE OPTIONS than runing to the bowl etc...mmg amg amg mmg zzzzzzzzz

*reduce the porting time to 5mins(this may result in even bigger zergs) but hey…I want shorter porting waits, this would also encourage others to go to the frontiers more often

*nerf the albs a bit more

*nerf’em again

*give chanters stealth

*wtf get rid of porting all together…this is the main reason why hibs DON;T zerg as much…we have to run to emain (afk sleep etc) . What happens at Dligen is once your group is ready you don’t wait for another 2fgs so you can all hold hands and leave together…..u r rp horny so you leave right away…



one totally other unrelated thing I’d like to see is “class grouping bonuses” – where say 5 rangers group together in 1fg they should earn a grouping bonus…say a new type of crit shot, this would encourage peeps to form specific types of squads…..say 5 stealthers group they should become immune to true sight (just an example ok?) this only works tho if the 5 stealthers stay within a certain radius…so forming these squads would encourage more strategic or more teamwork based rvr and encourage guilds to recruit less favoured classes so they could build their own archer squad for support in rvr etc…bla bla ....need sleep