Hibs Could have Defended

[Gordonax]

You pick up the right point when you mention about Albs having no relics for six months. Remember how boring that was, when the relics didn't change hands for six months? It wasn't good for the game as a whole to go that long without the relics changing hands.

Of course, I'm not saying we just stop defending them. The hibs and mids want them, and should come and take them. But what I am saying is that we shouldn't expect to keep them for a long time, and that in fact it's better for the game as whole if one realm doesn't keep them for a long time. And, if the game is properly balanced, that shouldn't happen.

I'm sorry I told you to grow up btw - that wasn't fair as you're clearly thinking about things. From what you said about how having six relics made it too easy for the enemy to take them, I assumed you wanted to monopolise them - and I don't think that's true (correct me if I'm wrong )

 

[chunky]

Originally posted by Gordonax
It's perfectly valid for the Albs to see the opportunity and go for it. Personally I wouldn't have bothered, as I don't think an undefended relic raid would be all that much fun (which is why I wouldn't do a 4am raid either). But, having thought about it, I don't blame those Albs who did do it.

It's also completely right that the relics get reset, as it would be completely unfair on the hibs for them to not have the chance to defend their relics owing to a technical problem at Goa's end. Goa messed up, they should fix the mess up by resetting the relics.

And it's worth remembering the mids in all this mess. They put together what looked like a brilliant plan and got cheated out of a well deserved relic.

Couldnt have said it better my self

Albs IMO did what most ppl would have done in the same situation (A good chance to do what would not normaly b able to happen). It is also correct that the Relics should b reset to what they where B4 the raid.
It may also have been nice to give just the Mid power relic to our side as compensation for what happend, BUT personaly i dont care, it just meens we have the fun of doing the whole thing again.
Last thing, Great work Ardamel !!! dont be to disheartend

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Gordonax
You pick up the right point when you mention about Albs having no relics for six months. Remember how boring that was, when the relics didn't change hands for six months? It wasn't good for the game as a whole to go that long without the relics changing hands.

It's not 'boring' for the relics to stay in the same place.

Relic ping-pong is not exciting, it's tedius. We all know that relic raids can't be done sensibly on this server at the moment due to poor server hardware, so relic raids are doomed to be tedious late-night/early-morning affairs. I've had enough of this tbh.

What WAS 'boring' was Midgard having 20% melee bonus, and Albion having none. 6 months of this is boring

Originally posted by Gordonax
And, if the game is properly balanced, that shouldn't happen.

Relic raids are not a question of 'balance', success is almost completely down to getting a large force in the right place either quickly and/or undetected.

Originally posted by Gordonax
From what you said about how having six relics made it too easy for the enemy to take them, I assumed you wanted to monopolise them - and I don't think that's true (correct me if I'm wrong )

I don't want to monopolise them. I just want to hit things harder

 

[Rhodo_Stoney]

Originally posted by Fagane
The Hibs could have defended themselves. The raid was valid, but Hibs did not care enough to defend it. If there was 1fg inside the relic keep (and we saw 2fg running around) we never would be able to get the relics.
Fagane

LOL, the hibs who were on the way to defend COULN'T GET ONLINE YOU TARD :great:

 

[Fagane]

Tard are you, Alb reinforcments could also not arive...

There where enough people on-line. But the ones who where did not care. And sweeter did some RvR instead of defending the relics. We saw enough Hibs to defend the relics, but only 4 did actualy try.

Fagane

 

[Rhodo_Stoney]

Well,
if Albs would take the relics to take advantige of the crash it would be very low/lame.
But they did it for a LAUGH, knowing they would not get away with it, and goa would reset them back to before the crash...
imo its pretty funny what they did, seeing the funny side of it etc..
What i dont get is ppl whining about it beeing a valid RR.
About Hibs couln't bother to defend the relic, like you said there was 2 fg's running around....
Now what the hell were those 100+ Hibs from before the crash doing in Collory then??
Whatever realy... try to see the funny side of it.

 

[Elomiem]

well said m8

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Pin
It's not 'boring' for the relics to stay in the same place.

Relic ping-pong is not exciting, it's tedius.

I wouldn't know - I can't remember a time on Excal when we had true relic ping-pong. Yeah, we're had relics fall to one side then immediately taken back, but not then immediatly taken back again.

We all know that relic raids can't be done sensibly on this server at the moment due to poor server hardware, so relic raids are doomed to be tedious late-night/early-morning affairs. I've had enough of this tbh.

Couldn't agree more. Basically, compared to the US servers run by Mythic, Europe is drastically short-changed when it comes to hardware. It should NOT be possible for 2,500 people to crash the server, as happend on sunday.

What WAS 'boring' was Midgard having 20% melee bonus, and Albion having none. 6 months of this is boring

Again, I agree. That's the point I was making - one realm having the relics for too long is dull. If we'd had 20% bonus for six months, it would have been as boring for the middies as it was for us - and that can't be right. The point of the game is for everyone to have fun, not for one realm to have fun.

Relic raids are not a question of 'balance', success is almost completely down to getting a large force in the right place either quickly and/or undetected.

Yes - I'm not talking about "balance" in the sense of every realm having a turn. I'm saying that relic raiding shouldn't be all about one realm being over powered, either via class blance or sheer numbers. Mythic/Goa should be able to balance the game so that no realm NEVER has a chance to relic raid succesfully. That's what game balance is all about.

I don't want to monopolise them. I just want to hit things harder

mmm... hitting trolls harder... I LIKE that idea....

 

[Rhodo_Stoney]

Originally posted by Gordonax
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Yes - I'm not talking about "balance" in the sense of every realm having a turn. I'm saying that relic raiding shouldn't be all about one realm being over powered, either via class blance or sheer numbers. Mythic/Goa should be able to balance the game so that no realm NEVER has a chance to relic raid succesfully. That's what game balance is all about.
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Isn't Hib suposed to be the underdog realm?
Not like we have the 'numbers' eh.
We do have the powerrelics for some time.
And don't go there about overpowerd about mages-stunn or anything, cuz on a RR thats not even an issue :great:

 

[Rhodo_Stoney]

Rhody :wub: Elo

 

[osy]

Hib, the underdog ? Wake up. Supposed to be the underdog ? What are you having.

Hibs can take any relic, from any realm. They have proven that with the constant show of strenght and witts, assaulting Midgard's relics, back when we had them. I clearly remember them breaching in and actually taking the relic a couple of times.

And they succeded, in the end.

No sir, Hibs are anything BUT the underdog.

 

[shaetan]

Tard are you, Alb reinforcments could also not arive...

There where enough people on-line. But the ones who where did not care. And sweeter did some RvR instead of defending the relics. We saw enough Hibs to defend the relics, but only 4 did actualy try.

Fagane

Can you please tell me how you know how many hibs there were online? Because I've seen a ss showing that there were 28 hibs in total at the time, and considering how many lvl 45+ that went with the zone crash, I find it unlikely that 21 of these (the 3 fg you're claiming to have seen run about) being within rvr lvl range. Thanks in advance.

 

[Rhodo_Stoney]

Originally posted by old.Osy
Hib, the underdog ? Wake up. Supposed to be the underdog ? What are you having.

Hibs can take any relic, from any realm. They have proven that with the constant show of strenght and witts, assaulting Midgard's relics, back when we had them. I clearly remember them breaching in and actually taking the relic a couple of times.

And they succeded, in the end.

No sir, Hibs are anything BUT the underdog.

Hehe, i take that as a compliment

 

[old.Tzeentch]

If Adramel executed that plan again, line for line, word for word, he'd have them.

I've never seen or could get 30+ NS's online at one time, nevermind for a relic raid, getting over 200+ people for a raid is also a stretch, but for albs and mids this is something that is very very do-able.

It was sheer luck we had 250+ hibs in collory.

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by shaetan
Can you please tell me how you know how many hibs there were online? Because I've seen a ss showing that there were 28 hibs in total at the time, and considering how many lvl 45+ that went with the zone crash, I find it unlikely that 21 of these (the 3 fg you're claiming to have seen run about) being within rvr lvl range. Thanks in advance.

Sure:

We where attacking the last keep when 1 group of hibs did run past us in the distance (6 players atleast, where more figures but could be pets). We killed about that same moment 2 or 3 Hibs who came defending they're keep. Also at that moment (imposible for the group I did see run) we got an incomming message that 1fg was heading for atk.

Did not claim 3FG btw, did claim there where enough people (and mentioned 2FG), in case we had level 35 players with us. But thats besides the point.

Fagane

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Fagane
Sure:

We where attacking the last keep when 1 group of hibs did run past us in the distance (6 players atleast, where more figures but could be pets). We killed about that same moment 2 or 3 Hibs who came defending they're keep. Also at that moment (imposible for the group I did see run) we got an incomming message that 1fg was heading for atk.

Did not claim 3FG btw, did claim there where enough people (and mentioned 2FG), in case we had level 35 players with us. But thats besides the point.

Fagane

4-5FGs vs 2FGs of low rrs and not L50 ppl + some bluecon guards ...

Think GOA made thier call for a reason.