hibernian rvr grps and champions..

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old.Laryssa

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica
I don't think giving champs determination would be the solution... I'd rather see Mythic boosting the Valor line, for instance by decreasing mana cost and lowering the reuse timer.

Be that as it may, I love grouping any class regardless of their weaknesses in certain scenarios.
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or add a group mez resist chant :)


my champ is also treated as a stepchild.
I hope champs get a fix/boost someday so they regain their position in rvr which they had before RA's were invented.
 
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JoxerTheMighty

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica
I don't think giving champs determination would be the solution... I'd rather see Mythic boosting the Valor line, for instance by decreasing mana cost and lowering the reuse timer.

Be that as it may, I love grouping any class regardless of their weaknesses in certain scenarios.
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Aye, decreased manacost and a slightly decreased recast timer would sure boost it a bit but if I had to choose between that and Determination....well, gif Det imo :)

Originally posted by Laryssa my champ is also treated as a stepchild.
I hope champs get a fix/boost someday so they regain their position in rvr which they had before RA's were invented.
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I really hope so as well. Last time I browsed through the Duskwave stats I saw a lot of inactive Champs lingering there. Seems like I am one of the very few who still play that class. So lets pester Mythic until they bring out an uber-Champ-wub-patch (again) - I wanna be a fotm at least once in my life goddammit :)

EDIT: Nope, thinking about it: I wanna be a fotm cursing all the other fotm-Champs who rolled the class after the wub. :)
 
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ilaya

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NO!!! u are ALL wrong! there is nothing wrong with champs.. this is what i am saying.. dont turn this into a give champs love thread..

WHAT i am is saying is.. should champs PLAY different.. will they be more effective playing the role of Slam champ as opposed to an erm.. tank..

read the fucking post before u reply next time
 
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JoxerTheMighty

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Originally posted by ilaya
NO!!! u are ALL wrong! there is nothing wrong with champs.. this is what i am saying.. dont turn this into a give champs love thread..

WHAT i am is saying is.. should champs PLAY different.. will they be more effective playing the role of Slam champ as opposed to an erm.. tank..

read the fucking post before u reply next time
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Hmm....the hate is strong in this one :)

But.....to answer your question: Champs could be very effective guardbots. It aint my personal playstyle (i rather go out there and annoy peeps with my frontload) but I think theoretically Champs would be able to do the job just as good as any other tank.
And no..dont come with the "no determination"-excuse. It sure stinks but nowadays a group rarely leaves Ligen without two droods. So pretty often you will have 2x grouppurge plus your selfpurge and if all those three are down..well, then you are in some deep shit where not even determination could save you ;)
 
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Fang

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I AM NOT A GIMP :(

Going the OT route: Think about the "chimps can't be tanks" shite for a sec there. According to tests on HoV (Hall of Valor) our str/con debuff will strip up to 700hp. Add that to the dmg of our DD and we can do up to 900+ dmg before anyone even reaches us...
 
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JoxerTheMighty

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Originally posted by Fang
I AM NOT A GIMP :(

Going the OT route: Think about the "chimps can't be tanks" shite for a sec there. According to tests on HoV (Hall of Valor) our str/con debuff will strip up to 700hp. Add that to the dmg of our DD and we can do up to 900+ dmg before anyone even reaches us...
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lets spin this idea abit further....if you count that selfbuff plus the DD AND if you also count in the damage our str/con debuff does to an opponents health... - well, let me say that you better dont cross a Champs way ;)
 
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hrun

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Nothing wrong with champs.... just give me speed 5 and change insta snare for insta root and im happy :)
 
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JoxerTheMighty

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Originally posted by Fang
See .. senile elphs these days ....
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old, senile? Remind me to give you a fair beating with my walking stick after I had my nap. ;)
 
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JoxerTheMighty

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Originally posted by rauno
we are gimps, gimps i say
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No, we are totally uber, groupfriendly, pwning chars. ;) But peeps either didnt either notice that or are too scared of us :)
 
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SoulFly Amarok

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I wouldn't say champs are gimps.

you're just not needed for am iner group setup. You've nothing to offer for the group which would be worth the while.

Sucks, I know :|
 
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Fang

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Originally posted by JoxerTheMighty
old, senile? Remind me to give you a fair beating with my walking stick after I had my nap. ;)
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Err .. did i say that?

I meant: The greatest champion who dispite his years of training still is in his peak form.


Plz don't beat me :(
 
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JoxerTheMighty

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Originally posted by Fang
Err .. did i say that?

I meant: The greatest champion who dispite his years of training still is in his peak form.


Plz don't beat me :(
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:) Thanks Fang....you made my day with that compliment :) I think I just play senile and think that you really meant it ;)
 
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Fediuld

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Hi.
I play this damned (it was until I respec) char since March (with 4 months break due to country change). And because since level 1 up to level 49 i am now (probably 50 tommorow) all of the time i'm solo or some times with small non perfect groups (from any lfg people i found around) i have to say 2 things.
1) to the creator of that thread. what you want to play you have to think first not the others. you are not the others tank. you will be accepted for who you are and how good you can do the job you have to do. which spec you have is nothing to do with the ability to accept you in rvr groups. champs job is kill all the non tanks with casters classes (healers/bards/mages) as all time target. and believe me. we are uber on that purpose. we can disrupt them, we can hit them with dd, slow them so we can catch them, and debuff them (not apparently always). The biggest disapointment for a champ isn't to die in rvr but why that damned f***ing albion wizard escape because the crawl wasn't reset yet. (it happen to me many times)

2) Champ with det will be overbalanced. We lack some good RA thats true but if you know how to play a champ (and how to equip and buff via sc) then you can do better job than the tanks. Don't say to the others "roll another char" because this is your opinion and you as most of the people around stick to the most powerfull class you read that exist in forums and sites. If they place det in champs or something more strong i know that anyone will make a champ and you will eat the shit you write now and you will make one. (see how many enchanters exist now and how many after the 1.65 will be here). And let the people experiment with their chars.


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Fediuld ****** 49 Champion ****** Shield/Pierc Celt.
 
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Xaldrick

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In my humble opinion, a well played champion suits a caster group best for the tank spot for several reasons

(1) If the champion is experienced enough, it shouldnt be hard to target out pac healer/mind sorc and interrupt them while they are casting. This uppens the whole groups survivability since caster groups are as we all know very vulnerable to mezz, and this can eventually save GP for when you get jumped

(2) Determination isnt gonna save anything if your group loses mezz fight/gets jumped while GP is down since 1 tank _cant_ negate the savage assist train

(3) Champs can keep 3 support chars occupied at the same time - hit one, dd the other and snare the third - everything interrupts and tho its only possible every 15 secs its enough if the rest of your group plays their stuff propperly. THe ASD-fix was a hard nerf to champs if you ask me, since it stripped us of one of our interrupt spells but nevertheless, you can still interrupt multiply targets unlike any other tank

(4) Whats all this about champs cant deal damage ? A LW champ deals splendid dmg especially with str/con debuff.

Lack of determination is annoying yes, but I dont think champs should have it. Det in it self should get a fat nerf and cc duration should be slightly decreased too. Also as other ppl have stated, debuffs should get a heavy reduction in recast time and mana cost. Also, the str/con selfbuff should stack with druid one, since even with botbuffed str/con, we only have just above 1600 ws. Champ specific RA isnt as gimped as people think since it adds additional interrupt capabilites, but even tho 15 mins reuse time is relatively low, it seems pathetic when reaver has pbae chant.

To sum this up, I think the main reason people dont want champs is because it has become a norm that no det = no group. Far too few ppl have realised what champs _can_ do compare to what they _cant_ do. On the other hand, a noob player on a champ is about the worst thing you can get :p
 
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Arnor

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Originally posted by rauno
sorry Boni but u have no idea what u are talking about giv champs determ and we are more owerpowerd then savages cba to tell the points and reasons coz u have no idea if u dont play a champ and done it all as a champ
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oh please, tell us!
 
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