hibernian rvr grps and champions..

[ilaya]

what would u group leaders prefer? a LW tank who gts mezzed or a shield spec champ on slam duty? and maybes outta mez range..

ofc i am gonna say this but.. dont it make sense? with bodyguard coming too.. shield spec champs gonna be nice since we got so much in way in defense with dd's and debuffs..

hanging around with casters as a champ makes sense.. and u get our slams for stuns.. is it time for champs to rethink maybes?

yeah drunk.. flame on

 

[Arnor]

no det?

sorry mate, you rolled wrong class for rvr at this century in daoc :\

 

[diabien_hib]

Yup no det = the loss in this age, roll a bm or hero

 

[inuyasha]

Nerf cheap ras

 

[adari]

luri champ is Super-Cali-Fragil-Istic-Expi-Ali-Docious cute tbh.

 

[inuyasha]

Yepp, totaly super-opti-kjempe-fanta-fenomenalistisk as it would be in norwegian ^^

Same is luri hero though, and they are not that gimped ^^

 

[rauno]

determ getting nerf in RA's patch and champs love will see what will happen then.

 

[old.Mitsu]

LW is the most fun for sure.

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by old.Mitsu
LW is the most fun for sure.

a luwi with 29 pierce is cute tho

 

[ilaya]

Arnor you talk shite yet again haha.. think its a new record actually.. just gonna check..

 

[ilaya]

adding to that point ona more serious note ^^ *cough*

i got ilaya as shield spec yeah.. now.. who can TRUELY say ilaya is gimped eh?

certainly not anyone who has actually seen me play pve or anyone who has seen me play slam champ as mentioned above.

champs aint tanks.. we dont have the stuff to be tanks.. so why all the LW shite? i am erm.. so called mad spec.. but pure guts and my own version of determination has got me to where i am atm..

more and more heroes going shield spec.. so why not champs? they even better equiped to guard thx to debuffs..

oh hang on.. i realised answer to my own question there... Death Spam..... get real

 

[rauno]

im respecing to shield/pierc next week when i hit rr7 but there is a little problem i cant decide what spec to take damn giv us more points 39pierc 42 shield 50 valor or 50 shield 42 valor 39pierc or 50 shield 50 valor 28 pierc

 

[cutri]

Originally posted by rauno
im respecing to shield/pierc next week when i hit rr7 but there is a little problem i cant decide what spec to take damn giv us more points 39pierc 42 shield 50 valor or 50 shield 42 valor 39pierc or 50 shield 50 valor 28 pierc

Yup its the extra line champs need to spec in that kinda nerfs shield specced champs. Having said that I PvE'd to 50 as s/s spec and it was excellent, sometimes i think about respeccing but the lack of damage output kinda puts me off.

That said, if u wanna play 24/7 defensive tank, why not, its a game play how u like imho.

 

[lofff]

cba to read the whole thread but champs are out of date my friend :| i love my champ, still my main and fav class but i just cba playing it in rvr (wish i could play my champ with myself as bard too ) Only champ i like in my grps nowadays is sturrm, rl friend sitting right next to me when we rvr which gives him det10 And gives me sum1 to scream at when he runs outa heal range :}

more on-topic: LW = wtg

 

[Tyka]

Originally posted by cutri
That said, if u wanna play 24/7 defensive tank, why not, its a game play how u like imho.

Funny how you say this when in the other post about champs you think the "hibernian" people does not notice the utility that the champion class got.

 

[old.Mitsu]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
a luwi with 29 pierce is cute tho

<- Lurikeen paladin :l

 

[cutri]

Originally posted by Tyka
Funny how you say this when in the other post about champs you think the "hibernian" people does not notice the utility that the champion class got.

I still don't, my post was merely an attempt to reply to the original poster's question about respeccing to s/s from LW

 

[dazam]

imho Re-roll a hero only jokin Champs Are good best soloers in hib But the 40sec Mezz they suffer is to long u wud spend most of the time on the battlefield mezzed... what use are u there.

All champs email GOA ask em to remove ur self buff and give u DET then make a BB.... sorted

 

[rauno]

we would be overpowerd whit determ just need to wait untill the RA's patch will come out and determ gets nerfed and the champ TL feedback says that champ Ra's will get looked at and str/con self buff lets hope

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Even shield spec your still vunerable to mezz im afraid.

Heros have the same choice tbh, can I spec s/s or gofor a decent LW/Spear skill for damage, and thats up to your preference.

A rr2L6ish hero 42+shield,50 LW/CS, det4, purge, lets a hero do both well and ofc is practically immune to CC and twice the hitpoints of a champ.

I would like to blame this all on det, but its not just det...

Champs get debuffs/snare, this is what they get for sacraficing either a good dmg or good shield stat from their skill tree... but for a hero pf and rear style work well for snaring, and you can get debuff charges on all types of items. Hell heros can even self buff with a supply of stag skulls.

And as for the cost / selection of champ RAs....

Take solice in the fact that champs are so obviously gimped from a hibernian rvr point of view that they are bound to get a fix sometime... (or determination will get nerfed to hell n back maybe).

 

[rauno]

sorry Boni but u have no idea what u are talking about giv champs determ and we are more owerpowerd then savages cba to tell the points and reasons coz u have no idea if u dont play a champ and done it all as a champ

 

[rauno]

twise the hit points as a champ, i have ~2000 hits whit self buff and base con hmm never heard a hero whit 4000 hits and if tank gets hit u already won the battle or grp suport is dead so dont realy need max hits u can get

and debuffs roxs if u dont know they are bugged they debuff insane amounts against buffed enemy + if u have wa(crit debuffs and little bonus yor weapon proc will crit time to time) u can just 1 hit+dd if u are lucky.

in assist train (tank grp) champ is very good snare+ anni and target is dead only thing is other noob tanks that brake the snare(root if i crit) and ofc the focking determ that focked the game even more

lol LW champ meele damage is about the same as LW heros but champs make overall damage more even 2x more thanx to insta DD just cap valor and int ppl, ohh and aug accuity will increas int so more mana and damage and +valor will increaœ the DD damage and enemys will prolly never resist

only problem is determ for a champ and u realy need to be very high rr like rr10 hero in grp or rr10 champ imo the champ will focking solo the enemy fg

and it is very hard to cap all, as a LW champ u need to cap resists,dex,int,con.str,Lw,valor and if u will have to get the best items u can also cap parry so u need very best jewels and ofc MP armor,weapons.

i have done like over 10 realm respecs that (25 GS raids+bought stones, wa is todaly must coz debuffs are are what make us champs.

 

[old.Xanthian]

Guardbot with no det?
Ha thats a funny one, what you gonna do when your mezzed for xx seconds and tanks are beating shit out your healers/casters and your purge is down?

Nothing..

What can a Hero with det5 do?

Alot more.

 

[old.Mitsu]

Originally posted by rauno
sorry Boni but u have no idea what u are talking about giv champs determ and we are more owerpowerd then savages cba to tell the points and reasons coz u have no idea if u dont play a champ and done it all as a champ

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HAHAHAHAHHA


My god....

 

[old.Zanaa]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
Guardbot with no det?
Ha thats a funny one, what you gonna do when your mezzed for xx seconds and tanks are beating shit out your healers/casters and your purge is down?

Nothing..

What can a Hero with det5 do?

Alot more.

U know intercept/enemy Ae interrupt/gp/purge breaks mez? no determ in a boxing magegroup is no problem, offensive champs suffer though. Biggest problem is recast timer on the debuffs, if champ had 5sec recast time on dex/qui debuff they would be a very viable def.tank imo (gl hitting thru guard max d/q+eld dex debuffed).

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by ilaya
Arnor you talk shite yet again haha.. think its a new record actually.. just gonna check..

so, the reason your not getting groups is what? you smell?

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by rauno
sorry Boni but u have no idea what u are talking about giv champs determ and we are more owerpowerd then savages cba to tell the points and reasons coz u have no idea if u dont play a champ and done it all as a champ

I dont need to level a 50 champ to know what they are capable of in rvr, ive played with most of the best champs going and understand their abilites just fine thank you.

I was rvrin with champs when det wasnt in the game, long before I helped ding you 50, so I know all about how that would feel too and it didnt feel even remotley like a savage.

 

[dazam]

TBH champs arnt tanks no matter how hard they want to be... you wonder why u cant be in a RvR grp... Heroes and Bm's do the job bettter... do an elric stand at hpk Odins

 

[Elric IA]

Main problem with champs in fg or higher RvR is the lack of determination. Purge, whilst useful has to be used carefully as you might press it to get rid of a mezz to then be rooted and stuck (although champs can do debuffs etc whilst rooted). Whilst you are stood there with purge down the assist train is taking down your support and group etc. A pure tank has determination reducing both these effects and I have seen it said that some only save Purge for melee stuns if they have det 5.

Certainly, champs are no match for a savage in terms of damage output (nor is any class for that matter) so I do not think getting determination would make us that overpowered.

The original design philospophy of a Champion is 1v1 combat and until the advent of the reaver we were probably one of the best at that. Our buffs on buffed opponents strip 2.3 times the delve value (from tests on Hall of Valor) and champs tend to beat BMs and heros in duels a lot of the time. Problem is in fg or higher rvr there are multiple opponents and due to mana and timers we cannot debuff them all. An eldritch can do AOE debuffs which assists the group far more than single target every 20s.

The Hall of Valor forums (champ forums) seem divided into two camps on whether champs should stay as they are with tweaks or be given a better full group role. Certainly a reaver which came in the design stage a lot later than a champ and is probably the alb equivalent, has a lot more group friendly spells (AOE absorption and damage debuffs). Giving them determination would certainly be more overpowering than giving it to a champ.

Foundations and the RA review might change everything but until then I doubt that the accepted norm of a fg would include a champ.

 

[Ensceptifica]

I don't think giving champs determination would be the solution... I'd rather see Mythic boosting the Valor line, for instance by decreasing mana cost and lowering the reuse timer.

Be that as it may, I love grouping any class regardless of their weaknesses in certain scenarios.