Hibernian Guilds and how have they changed?

[angrysquirrel]

i was just curious to be honest, coz lots of peeps have been moaning so i thought id try to get something on paper.

seems like we have friction here

way i see it is, do what makes you happy

 

[-Dreama-]

Once and alb......always an alb.

*sniff sniff* not true...it's...just...not...true.../cry

sad ex-alb

We're not all sad...ok...maybe a little...but...but..but we can't help it...bad breeding.

 

[Khefru]

Don't think there's any real poaching going on in Hib tbh. Ppl realise that at lvl 50, there isn't much to do apart from RvR and join the most active RvR guilds. Their choice. I've made no attempt to hide the fact that it saddens me that CBH looses virtually all it lvl 50 members now, but there's not a lot I can do about it. We now don't have enough ppl online at any time to form a well balanced group, even if it's pre-arranged.

So to sum up how CBH is doing, we'll always be around in some form, but not really a force in RvR. The other day we had to persuade the 8'th member of our group (the only non CBH member there) to leave his guild and join ours temporarily so that we could claim a keep. A few months back, Bolg used to be owned by us 95% of the time.

 

[old.chipper]

once an alb always an alb
lol this so aint true

btw dreama i didnt know your char was called tapanga nice to see u stuck with hib

its worth it

 

[Alkoran]

The only problem I have with RvR guilds is no-one in them talks to me.....when I run to DL and ask who has CG or what's in the gorge I ussually get some kind of answer, but if it's a BD or LA group I ask...complete silence....except if ODon's there, Odon rules
I think this might be part of the reason people dislike RvR guilds, they seem arogant...infact the first time I saw an LA group it went something like this:
At Bolg
Akai: Lo Llaw Arian....
Akai: Nice colours
....
....
one member: thanks
Akai: Where are you heading?
....
....
Same member: Emain
Akai: Mind if I tag along?
....
....
....
....
***zoom***
Akai waves

This has to be my longest (and most informative, I managed at least to esstablish where they were going) conversation with a LA group.

Another thing that if it is common has probably added to this reputation is on a hib relic raid to Mid (we know they took most of the forts hibs took) when the main force had taken the last required keep and the RvR guilds turned up from their keep takes, everyone was ordered in to the keep to conceal the numbers and hopefully current location of our force...however BD, LA, Vegence and IG remained outside, apart from seeming that they didn't think they were bound under the command of the raid leader, it was bloody stupid, what sort of responce is seeing that many hibs wearing the flags of high RP earning guilds goi9ng to promote from any enemy scout, if there wern't 500 mids waiting at the relic keep already, there would be when we got there.

I don't think RvR guilds are actually arrogant or dispise othgers who RvR, but they don't go out of their way to convince people otherwise.

 

[angara-ffs]

Once and alb......always an alb.

ok ok..... most of them

 

[old.job]

Gotta be careful here, but I can see how the 50 guilds do look a bit eleitist, they don't mean to be and if you chat to any of the members that's the last thing they are, but as a group they can send out that message.
As a long time AOP member, who BD formed from, the thing I miss is the banter of the guild, OK there are still lots of BD alts in AOP, but it just isn't the same.
The guys/gals still did their thing, but we could at least hear them doing it.
When BD was formed some people leaving said 'cya round mate' to the people staying, I think that illustrates it clearly, it was the loss of the guild chat that makes me feel we have lost contact with BD a bit.

 

[old.Charonel]

i dont think it actually matters much myself.

bottom line is this: guilds aren't important, yes it probably hurts a lot of people to hear this (yes you DO play too much ), but it happens to be true. players, however...ARE...important, and they'll still be around in whichever guild they currently belong too. Now the migration happened/happens as follows (from what i saw of it).

1) players were playing in guilds which had an emphasis of doing lvling, questing, guild hunts, and rvr all at once (CF, Mist Wraiths, Clan Bearhawk, Tuatha De Dannan etc... however some players wern't interested in all of this, merely the rvr (at least merely the 1fg "emain style" side of rvr) and decided to break off and create a guild specificaly for this (read Ilwa Arian, Vengeance, Black Dragon etc...), leaving their old guilds to do so. now this is natural enough really, you could say a little selfish perhaps, but let's be realistic, it's a game, not RL, people are gonna play for fun, and if they actually required leaving their guild and starting a new one with a different emphasis to get fun out of the game, then that's what'll happen. again, it's happened before (people leaving to make foriegn speaking guilds, role play guilds etc...), just that this time the sole emphasis of the new guild was rvr related rather than anything else.

And that's what made the difference between this and the other times this had happened: this wasnt a few guildies splitting and forming another guild because of some "fringe" necessity, ie a love of something which wasnt found in mainstream daoc such as speaking spanish, or roleplaying, it was breaking off and forming a guild to focus on something which a large part of the population considered the very CORE of daoc. and because of this, a lot of people in the other guilds actually ended up wanting to be a part of the new guilds since they embodied the only things that these players actually played the game for. as such you get migration, on top of this the new guilds needed certain classes etc... to actually do what they were there for, which needless to say gave rise to the "poaching" issue, but when it comes down to it, if the members who leave their guilds didnt want to go, they wouldnt, so go figure about how bad "poaching" is.

now this caused problems, the other guilds who'd stood for more than just rvr were severely down on lvl 50's, which caused problems to them in rvr because the farming guilds had all the firepower condensed into one place, which left too little for others to use meaning that you get a lot of bad stuff getting thrown at the rvr guilds.

there's a follow on problem here too, members who didnt just want to rvr, found a lot of their friends jumping ship and ended up following them too, this however, is i think where things balance out, as the rvr guilds grow and attract new players, a certain proportion of their players will end up being those who came merely because their friends did, and so the rvr guilds will find some members not rvring as totally as they may like, and it could well get to the point where if they tried to sort out the guild back into pure rvr again, they'd have problems because a rather large part of their membership may not actually want it by then, and the rvr guild becomes something along the lines of what the non rvr guilds were a while back. ie vengeance gradually turning into something resembling celtic fist with regards to what they actually do, probably not realising it until it's already happened.

you see we've all seen the origional set of guilds change, their members branch off into other guilds, which subsuquently die and reform to other guilds, or go back to the previous one's etc... yet through all this, most of the player base is actually still here, some have left but not the majority, i know i've been here since it went retail and only seen a few people actually leave, most people i knew from back then are still in game anyway (and mostly been lvl 50 for ages as well the bastards ), meaning that the only thing that's changed is guild structure, and with all due respect, does it REALLY matter what guild someone's actually in? if their enjoying themselves you should be happy for them anyway, would you rather they had such a boring time not getting to do the things they actually enjoy in the game to the point where they leave altogether? personally when someone leaves RDoW for whichever reason (doesnt even slightly matter) i just hope that their happier in whichever guild their leaving for, calling people all sorts of crap or trying to ostracise them for it isnt going to do anything even if you DID have a problem with them.

as time goes on, the rvr guilds will just change, it's the way of things, i mean if anyone had said "which guild do you exect to be doing just fine 5 months from now" 5 months ago, i think a lot of people would have answered Celtic Fist as one of them, yet now look? they're having so much of a problem that they're asking for members on a forum, whereas back a while ago i remember someone asking on a forum for them to stop scooping up every unguilded hib since none of the other guilds could get members!

simple fact, things change, this is never going to stop, nothing solid and immutable, and the changes will continue to happen even after the rvr guilds have peaked, they'll hit their apex and then fall to becoming smaller guilds once again just as all the other "big" guilds already have to some extent (CBH still has a decent sized zerg though ) what's going to rise in their place and what their members will migrate too at that time i've no idea, but it should be interesting to see it happening

i think the only mistake people have made was in origionally joining or making their guilds under the impression that they'd be the same for ever more, or just keep getting bigger etc... well life doesnt work like that, we have a finite amount of players per server, especially on english one's where we dont get much new blood, and because of this a balance ends up settling on whichever thing those players tend to like at the time, and since the game changes constantly, you end up with new guilds and alliances poping up in such a way that they accomodate the new disires of the playerbase in the way that the rvr guilds have done recently, and you end up with the old guilds doing either one of two things:

1) changing to suit the current climate, ie if it changes to a heavy rvr environmet where the majority of the populace wants rvr, they can change to have a higher or total emphasis on rvr and keep their members, maybe even gain new one's? of course, not all members will like this, and will proably leave to other guilds as well, with change you can't help this.

2) lose their members to the guilds that DO emphasise the new playstyle of the server, and fall to semi/full obscurity.

3) see which members want the new thing, see which members dont and split the guild, those who wanted the old way keep the guild like that and stop caring about being on the top spot (as they should have figured long past) or make a new guild and focus on specifically what THEY want, regardless of the current "fasion".

point is, only the second thing is a bad way of dealing with change, since it leaves the guilds in limbo, which they seldom survive. the other two ways of dealing with it both simply have members enjoying the game, this, i think, is probably the best way.

the bottom line is that you can't stop the game, or the guilds, changing. and trying to do so only causes problems anyway. just accept the changes and enjoy them, because they're going to happen regardless of whether you want it anyway, personally i find it quite interesting to just watch the changes go by, knowing that none of it's set in stone, and it's allways interesting to see what's around the next corner .

sorry about the overly long post but i'm just sick of hearing the "freddie uberguild ate my bard!" just get used to it, beacuse after the rvr guilds leave, there'll be something else which precipitates members to migrate once again, it's not gonna stop, it's not gonna end, so stop trying to fight it.

entropy allways wins anyway .

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Lofff
Hibernia is shatered into bits, too many "well-named" guilds work as an own realm.

 

[Tyka]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
"freddie uberguild ate my bard!"

ROFL, good one

Well i cant say i agree on everything you said but alot of it is true.

Just to reply to you, Charonel, i just want to say that Vengeance really don't fit into any category of guilds. As we do ALOT of things (Yes i have alts ) that don't have to do with rvr, but most of the time we have same interests and the people in the guild all know what to do, to make the best fun of the situation that we enjoy.

Now i'm going to say something that probably most of you never will believe but i actually enjoy the PvE part more than PvP. To make things even more fun in pve i have to get more RA's, etc etc, all this to make your char the best one. I mean i could always kill a invader easily, now matter what realm rank i am, but i never could solo reds without these ranks.

Hope you get my point.

 

[Chameleon]

I've seen in here and other threads "all level 50's have to do is rvr". Well thats one way of looking at it, but suppose you were loyal to your guild, proud to be in it, enjoyed the company of your friends in /gu ........ you might actually find that helping your friends get to level 50 too, by joining/making groups with them would be a productive, enjoyable and gratifying experience ......

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Exiled


least im not an elf !

pfffffffffffft!!! u're just in denial

anyway.. rather an elph than an alb (unless u're Tapanga/Dreama )

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Amadon

pfffffffffffft!!! u're just in denial

anyway.. rather an elph than an alb (unless u're Tapanga/Dreama )

Quiet elf!

 

[Khefru]

Someone mentioned Ithil Galad as an RvR guild here. I think thats not quite true. I know a lot of them (most of them are ex CBH) and as far as I know they are just a guild of friends with no real RvR objective.

 

[old.Charonel]

i know vengeance do a lot more than RVR, but as far as i know when they were origionally constructed, it was as a fairly pure rvr guild, whether this is actually the case now or not i dont know (although i can certainly vouch for vengeance being an actual "RVR" guild, since they do that and not just try to farm rp's constantly when in the frontier's unlike some guilds ), but like i say, things change over time, so no point being concerned with things not being like they were a while back

 

[Gray-CF]

Originally posted by angrysquirrel


seems like we have friction here

way i see it is, do what makes you happy

Have you been looking down Jozen's pants ??


And btw peeps CF are quite happy - recruitment thread get us no peeps afaik. We had some new blood recently from mostyl a few old school peeps - which was nice

Was only done to try and get a few more rvring etc.

I think you will find we still do very nicely thankyou rvr wise.

spread the love etc -

except to tzee and lofff - as i think they got enough already

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by Alkoran
The only problem I have with RvR guilds is no-one in them talks to me.....when I run to DL and ask who has CG or what's in the gorge I ussually get some kind of answer, but if it's a BD or LA group I ask...complete silence....except if ODon's there, Odon rules
I think this might be part of the reason people dislike RvR guilds, they seem arogant...infact the first time I saw an LA group it went something like this:
At Bolg
Akai: Lo Llaw Arian....
Akai: Nice colours
....
....
one member: thanks
Akai: Where are you heading?
....
....
Same member: Emain
Akai: Mind if I tag along?
....
....
....
....
***zoom***
Akai waves

This has to be my longest (and most informative, I managed at least to esstablish where they were going) conversation with a LA group.

Another thing that if it is common has probably added to this reputation is on a hib relic raid to Mid (we know they took most of the forts hibs took) when the main force had taken the last required keep and the RvR guilds turned up from their keep takes, everyone was ordered in to the keep to conceal the numbers and hopefully current location of our force...however BD, LA, Vegence and IG remained outside, apart from seeming that they didn't think they were bound under the command of the raid leader, it was bloody stupid, what sort of responce is seeing that many hibs wearing the flags of high RP earning guilds goi9ng to promote from any enemy scout, if there wern't 500 mids waiting at the relic keep already, there would be when we got there.

I don't think RvR guilds are actually arrogant or dispise othgers who RvR, but they don't go out of their way to convince people otherwise.

we talk a lot.. a lot, in guild or group.. you get the slow response because we're usually chatting or doing something.. don't see wha'ts wrong with that?

about the raid: we did everything as directed by armolas, the raid leader.

 

[Alkoran]

I'm affraid that however you explain your actions here, it will still be how people percieve them in game that will judge your reputation.

Just as a note it's not so much the slow responce as the no responce that lends itself to arogance.

 

[old.Laryssa]

well the feeling of being ignored is nasty - but u in the group to
see albs and mids - not to discuss world peace.

Guess the "ignore part" was at Ligen before departure - which is
some kind of clear - why shoudl they talk in /g if they can reach all members in /gu ?

 

[lightsout]

BD ARE NOT ELITEST!!!!!!!

FFS they just want to b an RvR guild WTF is wrong with that?!!!!

LA is RvR guild why no1 has a go at them?

As to them poaching? Peeps leave at their own accord. Was I happy That Flisa/ Miriamel and others left AoP as soon as they hit lvl 50? Hell no but fact is it's their choice. They did not want to wait till others hit 50 and can offer them RvR 24-7 so they left, best of luck to them, and they are still invited to AoP events as are all members of Black Dragon.

As to them being xxxx well as in every guild u get one or too bad eggs FFS AoP has me ;-).

BD seems to grp with any1 that wants to RvR. Hell they even grped my ranger when he was lvl 21 hehe ;-).

As a whole they are a great bunch of peeps. If u want to flame some1 then flame the individual not the guild.

Reignfire Lvl 50 Light Eld
Lightsout Lvl 50 Warden
Latent Lvl 24 Ranger
Nightsend Lvl 24 Piercemaster

 

[tankster]

Originally posted by Alkoran
I'm affraid that however you explain your actions here, it will still be how people percieve them in game that will judge your reputation.

Just as a note it's not so much the slow responce as the no responce that lends itself to arogance.

dont think i ever ignore people level 1 to 50 .. or i am afk

and how can u judge a whole guild on one experiance ..

i think its arrogant of u ..to expect a group to react in a certain way or else u flame them.

 

[kameh]

I'll say right now that Thanatlos is one of the nicest peeps in hibbie and I'll suicide on any bugger that says otherwise!!

Wuren is ok but he keeps killing my pets in odins, takes me ages to go get another I only have my pets for company when I'm scouting odins for the alliance damn it

 

[angrysquirrel]

maybe i should start a post called,

" post screenies of when other guilds try to poach you"

 

[StormriderX]

well the people I've met and talked to from the 'uber leet' guilds are fairly nice people. It is unfair to slander a entire guild for the actions of a individual or based on heresay and assumptions ^^

As the poaching issue - people leave on their own accord, they aren't forced to leave and join a rvr guild. They choose to do so.

 

[Sethus]

Originally posted by stormriderx
well the people I've met and talked to from the 'uber leet' guilds are fairly nice people. It is unfair to slander a entire guild for the actions of a individual or based on heresay and assumptions ^^

As the poaching issue - people leave on their own accord, they aren't forced to leave and join a rvr guild. They choose to do so.

I joined BD after I spent some time in TD, and for one thing, I was far from poached. I wanted a different environment beyond the normal xp group, so I tried a guild dedicated to rvr, living and breathing it. I had a blast with the people there, but in my opinion didn't like it, but thats another story. My point is this, BD doesn't poach, and I agree w/ Khefru's point that when people hit 50 there's not a whole lot else to do besides... RvR! Your choices are, RvR, farming seals, or PLing friends! Without these options you end up sitting around DL going hmm...... keep taking sure would be cool now.... Its more fun to just join a convent of female lurikeens ffs! Anyways, I say cut people who join guilds like that some slack. Everyone complaining about it now, you'll get 50 one day, and then I assure you you'll understand.

 

[old.job]

I'm forming a lvl 5 only guild in Hib tomorrow, so I'll be out on the poach. Make an alt ,get to 5, and I'll be there with the guild invite.

We are very elitist, Muire tomb is our patch, and obviously NO xpin after lvl 5, any lvl 6's will be kicked out on their sorry asses.

Our aim?
To produce a lvl 5 zerg capable of taking out 1 maybe 2 Mid/Alb in RVR.
Don't expect a res or a buff or any help whatsover from us, we simply can't help you.

 

[Cloak_]

Originally posted by old.job
I'm forming a lvl 5 only guild in Hib tomorrow, so I'll be out on the poach. Make an alt ,get to 5, and I'll be there with the guild invite.

We are very elitist, Muire tomb is our patch, and obviously NO xpin after lvl 5, any lvl 6's will be kicked out on their sorry asses.

Our aim?
To produce a lvl 5 zerg capable of taking out 1 maybe 2 Mid/Alb in RVR.
Don't expect a res or a buff or any help whatsover from us, we simply can't help you.

Junior Black Dragons

 

[Alkoran]

Originally posted by tankster


dont think i ever ignore people level 1 to 50 .. or i am afk

and how can u judge a whole guild on one experiance ..

i think its arrogant of u ..to expect a group to react in a certain way or else u flame them.

My analysis was based on many encounters, the example was simply the one I remembered with most clarity.

I believe it is aceptable for people to feel annoyed when others refuse to acknowledge their presence.

If it is arogant of me to expect your guild to reply when others address them, then why is it of interest to you what my opinion of you is? (this is not a personal attack, but a hypothetical arguement, because if you really didn't care, you wouldn't be here)

 

[old.Zarko]

:moon: I am soo damn proud of the guild i am a member of! :moon:

We have never been big and wont ever be, existed since the european servers 1st day (one name change). We have fluctation of membersize, but have managed to have a "core" of members that would never think about leaving. The core is what keeps us alive.

We do RvR, we allow members to do whatever they want - play alts be semi active. Friendship and fun is what keep us alive - not RvR (that can be done more often elsewhere).

My point is that if you wanna have a guild that both xp/rvr/whatever, and do it all good - you need to be small and make all peeps welcome and pay them attention.
Also as a guild that don't survive for the sole purpose of RvR, you gotta tell peeps what kind of guild they are getting into and how you would like your members to be.

 

[Gohlanchdir]

Luckily not lost many(some leave to be able to RvR more) in IA. I Just gained some members who were tired of the >RvR< and wanted the fun aspect back. ....

I love all aspects, but i doo not like the fact that once your 50 and well specced you are recruited to theese überguilds to become the best. I mean there really is a sosial aspect to the game aswell, and how bout the guildies who need help aswell......nah not my style.

Luckily my specc is fucked up, so noone will ever ask me