hibbie rvr in emain

[angrysquirrel]

i bet this post has been done at least thrice, i hope more than twice.

ive had a lot of experience in emain in various guises and alts and the few times when we work together really really makes it worthwhile!

i admire the albs, the number of times when a group rushes us hibs and we discover that each healer already had a stealther standing behind him..that is teamwork!

fair enough we are the defenders so we lack a tactical advantage (how on earth can we place our stealthers behind their rezers prior to a rush?) but we can all work together !

set up a cg, co-ordinate rezes and assaults, we know we are outnumbered, we know are better, all we want is fun and the chance to gank invaders (again and again) !!

i just wanna hear what other hibs think about emain rvr and what we can do to work together, it isnt hard !!

oh and dont give me that levelist shit, ive met a lvl 40 hero who didnt know what protect did (yes he spoke english and was older than 10)...

 

[Sleet]

since hitting 40 most my time has been spent in emain desperate for that rr3 since xping is getting tiresome............

i tried twice now myself to set-up a cg, find thats the best way of what is lots of small numbers coming together, even if only 2fgs are in the area thats 2fgs well co-ordinated together

sleet was just killed by alpha

/who sleet

sleet lvl 42 hero emain macha

tells you nothing but the cg solves this, i found people left the cg but didnt leave emain so theres a lack of co-ordination and co-operation at times (no im not a yank teaching you all about team playing ), my experience in rvr is lacking but i have found a cg a good way of hibs working together

 

[angrysquirrel]

/cheer

yeah you have made a difference, shame that other guilds have their own ideas......


lets all get it together i know u want to

 

[Aeiedil]

ive seen this happen before more often from hibs doing it than albs, mids are a main culprit. for stealth-ganking though albs got the biscuit. was trying to suicide earlier in emain, got killed by a sb\skald duo after abotu 5 mins of running, adn then up popped about 4 or 5 infs and killed the skald and sb. overkill ffs

 

[angrysquirrel]

yeah ive done that with ranger chums (thank you alliance chums)

its not the point though, we dont have to all get ganked, release, run back, reform


there are a lot of folk who dont wanna participate in an emain cg or who dont give a "fish", lets all try...we may be outnumbered but we will always have our ........ co-operation!!!

 

[Sleet]

whats daoc coming to when you cant even suicide in peace

 

[fade-]

from what I know about albs is theres just lots of them, they rarely use tactics other than zerg. If stealthers do come and kill ur healers just as the alb zerg gets there then more likly their just takeing advantage, could have been planned though u never know
we need more ns's in rvr grps to keep them safe from other stealthers and combat these kind of attacks.

 

[censi]

Hibs are pretty well orgainsed..

If there are more that say 10 active rvr'ers at any given point there is usually a CG.

If there isnt a CG, just start one angrysquizza?

 

[old.Xanthian]

One of the main problems is the lack of high levels recently in RVR, alot of the time I get stuck with lvl 35-40..
and tbh in a world of lvl 50's they aint much use.

Also the lack of reponse from the Hibs is terrible..
eg..
"PlayerX" Mids!!!!!
"PlayerY" Where? Howmany ?
1min later
"PlayerY" Where ffs!!..

And so on.. If you see enemies state a direction, state the number and dont run off to gank them on your own.
COMMUNICATE

Tonight we had 3 or 4 FG of Hibs in Emain, not zerging, some groups were off doing thier own things, but we had a cg setup between us all and it worked well untill the end, when 1 group ran off and died, and never said where

 

[spankya]

Yep we need more communication for sure and cgs is the obvious way to go. And the other thing is that people need to do, is to listen to what certain peeps say in cgs as they have alot of rvr expirience ie. Cuthervaen, Novamir, Wuren etc and so do what they say.

 

[Lessurl]

@xan yep, worked well tonight each group doin their own thing till scouts spotted a large force gatherin at either mg, then we'd coordinate through the cg and wipe out those naughty campers. All fell to bits tho when people started to log, some people were trying to reform smaller grps into bigger and some important messages were lost in the spam. My grp fell whilst headin to amg where we'd been told some albs were but we ran into about 2-3 fg on way and got ganked. I and others in my grp had to answer the where? question about 3-4 times as most people semed to be missin it among the other spam (don't know if it was my grp u were talkin about xan but if it was there's your reason). Wasn't an easy place to type either, was tired and forgot about shift-up rolleyes: noob) and had to type side of valley between amg and mmg on the amg side of the cruach crossroads far too many times.


Next time u scroll up ffs


Oh and another thing, why doesn't anyone seem to get the stick and move after fight thing? I have been in far too many grps where i've stuck and called move and nothing has happened, takes me about 5 mins to argue everyone into stickin to leader then we get hit by an ae mez and ganked .
My grp tonight was a good one tho and everyone stuck to leader and we moved off after every fight, except for one person who shall remain nameless who even got mistaken for soloing by someone else cos he was away from grp so many times.

 

[old.NorME]

Yeps , move is the keyword in emain when u are outnumbered.. And speed would be nice, so get those higlvlbards in there.

Move in, kill. stick, move out.
Move in, kill. stick, move out.

Move in, kill. stick, move out.
Move in, kill. stick, move out.

But we end up being at amg too long and finally get ganked by a zerg or attacked from behind by mids.

The other day was a nice trap set up by mids, we came from amg and headed bowl then we see mids on our Right side, ok we head Left to avoid and maybe see how many they were, but as we turn left we have an army going for us there aswell.. so we ended up as dead real fast I wanna do that with hibs !! set up a trap for those ugly albs.

 

[Ensceptifica]

There's only one thing wrong really:

People don't pay attention.

I make cg most of the times, and sure people click on yes when I invite them. But they don't read it, don't use it to post valuable info, etc. Mainly because people don't want to pay attention. They want to /stick to someone and press a style or spell button on their quickbar when an enemy pops up after spamming f8. Those peeps have all the right to play like that, but when I find I'm grouped with such people, I leave as soon as I find an opening in a better group.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by old.NorME

The other day was a nice trap set up by mids, we came from amg and headed bowl then we see mids on our Right side, ok we head Left to avoid and maybe see how many they were, but as we turn left we have an army going for us there aswell.. so we ended up as dead real fast I wanna do that with hibs !! set up a trap for those ugly albs.

I've been out when tactics have been tried before, but then u always get the people who go. Oh look! Albs, keeeel. And rush straight for them, maybe if your lucky they'll stop long enough to do /c albs b4 they do it, but then again maybe not.

 

[angrysquirrel]

Originally posted by old.NorME


Move in, kill. stick, move out.
Move in, kill. stick, move out.

Move in, kill. stick, move out.
Move in, kill. stick, move out.

like it lots !

 

[Jozen]

i actually prefer running around with my grp of good players that i know how they play and most of all that they can play instead of zerg around, its afterall only rp farming in emain.

 

[old.Thalion]

I prefer running around with one group too, as thats much more fun and the fights r better. Too bad i only get such a group once per week (if i'm lucky). The usual emain zerg makes me sick, but most of the time thats the only chance to get some rp's

 

[old.Takahome]

Just in case:

do /cg invite cuth nova wuren gobar miss daigh zarko ....

So u invite em at once, much faster tbh

P.S.: Names r in random order, nothing to do with personal preference, nothing here, move along move along

 

[Highlight]

Judging from posts like this, it's obviously there are people who want to play a more strategic kind of frontier game, and we know there are people that just wanna have fun.

I think the only real option in making some form of controlled Hib RvR, is to form it from zero.

There is some guys out there that have already earned some respect. Those guys now have the option to use that respect earned to setup some form of controlling.

To make such thing work you would have to make an appealing system, that players would think of as an honor or highly interesting subject to be a part of.

I'm imagining me getting the offer of joining the cg controlled by Wuren, Novamir, Miss or...( Names taken from other replys in this thread), and I therefore would be willing to fullfill the rules that apply to it. Ex. if cg leader says "All go to AMG", I would go there, or "Stick to your group leader" I would stick, or "DONT RUN AFTER THAT LONELY ALB ALL THE WAY TO PK, ffs" , then I would not run after him.

The rules could also be like: Min lvl 42, or you have to be grouped or...?

If I don't learn the simple and few rules they have, I have the very good chance of being kicked from the cg. Now there is of course the option of running round solo or with my own group and that is totally okay. But if I see all the experienced RvR players running round and showing some strategic movements, I would feel a bit sorry to not be in.

I think the people with the wishes for strategic playing, all wants something like that. So if the respected guys is up for it, it's an idea, free to grab

Point out 3, 5 , 7 players to be the "Respected", make a council or whatever you feel would work. If you don't try, you can't say it won't work, can you?

 

[dazam]

Didnt no wat Prot was at 40 u sure he a Hero!!!! is this for Real lol

Tribone 46 hero

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by dazam
Didnt no wat Prot was at 40 u sure he a Hero!!!! is this for Real lol

Tribone 46 hero

Lol, prolly either bought the account or got plvled.

 

[angrysquirrel]

not too fond of creating a set of rules, they will only be made to be broken by everyone else.

but a co-ordinated set of gimps erm i meant groups using a cg roaming over emain will (and does) work very nicely.

basically i get cheesed off with total group wipeouts, all /release and make our way back.....

hibs that work together, win together

albs that work together are just a bunch of haemaphrodite donkey lovers.

 

[idril_daoc]

Originally posted by angrysquirrel
i bet this post has been done at least thrice, i hope more than twice.

ive had a lot of experience in emain in various guises and alts and the few times when we work together really really makes it worthwhile!

i admire the albs, the number of times when a group rushes us hibs and we discover that each healer already had a stealther standing behind him..that is teamwork!

fair enough we are the defenders so we lack a tactical advantage (how on earth can we place our stealthers behind their rezers prior to a rush?) but we can all work together !

set up a cg, co-ordinate rezes and assaults, we know we are outnumbered, we know are better, all we want is fun and the chance to gank invaders (again and again) !!

i just wanna hear what other hibs think about emain rvr and what we can do to work together, it isnt hard !!

oh and dont give me that levelist shit, ive met a lvl 40 hero who didnt know what protect did (yes he spoke english and was older than 10)...

fyi protect (the skill) is pve only

 

[Arakiel]

RvR

Hi guys ...

The thing with RvR atm is that its getting increasingly harder for lower lvls to get groups in RvR. people are more concerned with making a lvl 50 group and owning by themselves than working with anyone else , maybe thats how it seems, maybe were having trouble fighting the albs because the under 50's are not bothering to turn up anymore. I didnt mean to go on because there are a lot of cool ppl in hib but i see were getting owned more and more than it used to be. I agre with angrys point about alb formation they have tighter ranks and lots more traps than most ppl realize. i say some of the lvl 50's should get off their high horses and work with the rest of hib or were gonna get owned even more. hehe thats my bitch session for the day and take care yall .. if ur not like i just said ignore me

Arakiel >> 41 blademaster < the wyrding way>
excal/hib

Bariak>> 16 healer gm of < the wyrding way >
midguard/pryd

oh and btw on the protect thing angry i had to show a 38 bm how to triple wield lol i know what you mean

\
cyall around

 

[angrysquirrel]

hehe triplewield..reminds me of a film..anyway..

its not a levelist thing (it should be in the oxford english maybe ive misspeeelled it) these peeps have played together for ages so group together which is nice its an organisation thing.

the cg works nicely, make sure everyone has a group if they want it, make sure groups have bards, and try to rez when we can

when msging on /c details of numbers, location, direction etc are always useful.

funny thing is a guy wouldnt let me in cg tonight, still weeping over a time when my bard would not rez him when /send rez me ffs..funny that

 

[angrysquirrel]

Re: Re: hibbie rvr in emain

Originally posted by idril_daoc


fyi protect (the skill) is pve only

yep.

 

[Ziva]

I agree on what Arakiel says, a lot of lvl 50 people refuse to group with lower leveled. And since we don't have that many we basically ruining it for ourselves that way.

Sure a lvl 50 can do more damage but a lvl 40 does more damage then an open spot right and besides that... how can u expect lower leveled to learn RvR when u refuse to teach them just because they are too low???

I also agree on what Spankya says, ignorant people should listen to the more experienced ones instead of just shouting useless information on cg. Cg should be used as AS imho and i see a lot of bullshit in there.

Personally i think too much people think they know it all when they don't. Hibernia needs a couple of good leaders for RvR (besides the few very good ones we have already). That way we can get more organised and make a difference.

 

[old.Kennsai]

Emain can be alot of fun when we all stick together, the main problem atm is that as soon as we all meet up at crim....1 grp goes that way, another goes the other etc and soon we get like 4fg of hibs, running around emain. then the albs that are altogether just wipe us out one grp at a time. ive only been in emain once while we've actually stuck together and managed to wipe out albs/mids and anything else that got in our way. we need to stick together more!!!

just my 2 p

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by old.NorME

The other day was a nice trap set up by mids, we came from amg and headed bowl then we see mids on our Right side, ok we head Left to avoid and maybe see how many they were, but as we turn left we have an army going for us there aswell.. so we ended up as dead real fast I wanna do that with hibs !! set up a trap for those ugly albs.

Then we need to spend hours in alb/mid to take care of that, look at how long albs/mids spend in hib for gods sake, we are lucky to get people together to take keeps, if we take keeps more often they will come out more often, then we do it there, for a change

Emain battles can be very good for rps, trouble is if people don't get those they get fed up and leave, we working together narrows the chances of that and if we really try, we might get the rest of those yummy relics!

 

[elerand]

Re: RvR

Originally posted by Arakiel
Hi guys ...

The thing with RvR atm is that its getting increasingly harder for lower lvls to get groups in RvR. people are more concerned with making a lvl 50 group and owning by themselves than working with anyone else , maybe thats how it seems, maybe were having trouble fighting the albs because the under 50's are not bothering to turn up anymore. I didnt mean to go on because there are a lot of cool ppl in hib but i see were getting owned more and more than it used to be. I agre with angrys point about alb formation they have tighter ranks and lots more traps than most ppl realize. i say some of the lvl 50's should get off their high horses and work with the rest of hib or were gonna get owned even more. hehe thats my bitch session for the day and take care yall .. if ur not like i just said ignore me

It's a fair point, can't even get an answer to a straight question from some people on a /say sometimes...
I took my lvl 39 druid to the frontier this evening, grpd with foolou, tribone, zatos, pash and some others, 7 in total, we went to the AMG and we killed maybe 9 albs in total before we legged it back to crim, we worked together, paid attention to what each of us was saying/seeing and I made about 3k in the time we were out there (got serenity 2 now yay!).

An RvR grp is not a leeching point for people who just want new RA's, sure I went for some rps but I went mostly cos I wasbored playing tanks in rvr and hitting stuff, made a pleasent change to see what work it takes to make ti work, we all benefited and had a laugh.

Paying attention is important, get off guild chat, leave those pm's about what your having for tea alone for a bit, get into the spirit of rvr and trust someone when they say "Back to the AMG", sure you can see 2 albs, it's his 20+ friends streaming from the PK who are gonna zerg you silly you should watch out for and once your dead you might well have to release, for each hib who dies as a result of it numbers are reduced, then hibs get well outnumbered and finally ganked.

RvR can be fun losing as well as wining, lets try to listen, learn, not throw toys out of prams when you get told whats quite possibly in your own interest as much as everyone elses and you might possibly enjoy it even more...