hib pbae differs alot from alb pbae ?

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Ninjastyle

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i used to play an ice wizzy and i really love pbae
so i started mana chanter on hib excal (Buju) but here's the problem :

with ice wizzy : i would just let a tank hit the mob once or twice, then i can nuke if for as hard as i like, i WONT get agro
so red con mobs drop in a matter of seconds, depends how much resists

with chanter : i let the tank hit it a few times and start pbae'ing........WTF major agro and i die..
second try, i let the tank take down alot of the mobs health, and start pbae'ing again...........wtffffff, again agro

so wassup with pbae in hib ? i guess it gives the same agro as any normal spell, only thing is.........ur right in front of the mob and verrrrrry vulnerable
so whats the deal ? :(
anyone know how to pbae effectively "alb style" without getting agro like hell ? (preferably not waiting till mob is alrdy half dead by tanks)
 
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Ninjastyle

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addition : when i'm soloing with my chanter, i let my pet attack a mob, let it hit him for a while till mob lost some health....
then it takes only 2 (mostly just one) pbae's to get full agro again

if i stand at a distance, nuking with my baseline light nukes, i can do much more damage and get much less agro

again, whats the deal with that :x
 
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Aeiedil

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a few things here :)

the thinga bout player tanks is they can taunt, where as pets are unstyled, which is probably why you get aggro from pet but not from a tank, in groups i have only ever gotten the aggro from untaunted mobs :)

as for soloing, it can be done well

blue\green baf : body pull with pet, and then cast PB <qc>PB

yellow\orange solo : pet-pull, move in, and time your first pb so that it hits just after the mob does, PB PB <qc>PB (works best after you get bubble though). for the first pb make sure pb centre is over the mobs centre ofr best effect

red solo : either use the 3-pb method, but is risky (when you have the zealot you can try to do 3 pb's, and then run and the zealot snares, letting you rebubble and then heat-debuff and nuke), alternativley you can cast focus shield, let the pet hit a bit to get some aggro up, and then heat debuff, and use your best baseline nuke, the debuff helps a lot :)

purple solo : i have only managed a purple grovewood solo (low hp, heat vunerable), cast focus shield, let tank pet pull, when pet had aggro i used heat debuff and nuked until aggrod, then stuned and nuked some more. it took a full bar of mana though :) good as a showpiece but not good for everyday xp'ing ;)

hope this is useful to you :)
 
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Sigurd Volsung

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with my enchanter I am specced in enchantments, which I will change at 20, makes it insultingly easy to solo, but obviously harder to get groups - can solo any con, with basically no downtime or mana cost. However this will change as I get higher I expect - but I do it by just throwing in a heal when pet reaches half health, and basically never get agro, except from adds.

Shame I can't help you with PBAOE, not having reached it yet, but if you get agro best to quickcast stun.
 
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Aeiedil

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ill stick with my own tactic thanks Sigurd :) managed to get to l33 so far :)
 
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Sigurd Volsung

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Each to his own of course ;)

With this tactic I managed to get to level 11 in only a few hours playing time, not bad considering I don't know the realm at all, but then the disadvantages are no speed spell until I start speccing mana at 21, among others :)
 
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Aeiedil

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in fact no speed spell till patch, somewhere between 1.50 and 1.52 it gets moved into enchantments baseline :p

with your tactic you miss out some good levels :) like levels 9-11 pbaoeing between 3 and 12 bt\lunans at a time for tonnes of xp :)
 
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Ninjastyle

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still wish it was a bit more like alb pbae :p
any class that can tank hits some mob and u start pbae'ing it to death :x
at about what lvl do hib tanks get taunt ? :D
 
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old.Thanatlos

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lvl 6 if weapon spec to full on 1h tanks.. otherwise I wouldn't know

And both pbaoe's are the same though.. they generate the same aggro both of them.. The close range intensifies the aggro though so the pet won't ever bet your aggro since it does little damage over time (A lot of time) and your sudden burst of damage attracts more attention :)

Albs do have the advantage of the aggro magnet paladins which generally assures paladins as main aggro holder over ANY sort of damage.. 2 taunts usually insures a mob stays stuck to a tank no matter what damage the pbaoer does..
 
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Kobold

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Hib pbaoe don't take much aggro.
I never had probs with taunting mob from pbaoers, unless I miss on the first blow, the pbaoer is trigger happy and crits, thats what instercepts for :p

But with range nukers, they take aggro alot more, as well as healers. So I guess you just found you're self a lousy tank to taunt for ya :m00:

/edit
bad spelling...it's early :p
 
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old.Odysseus

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Theres some 'echo' shield u can cast on your pet - damage shield i presume?
Any good?
 
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old.chesnor

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I did notice that using your own dmg shield (in the mana baseline) kind of made getting aggro off that bit harder. (+2.6dps at lvl22). The same buff for wizzies is in the Earth spec line, so most Ice wizzies will only have the lvl1 dmg shield.

In fact, took me a while to realise having this on solo was a really, really, really, really bad idea :)
 
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Mikael

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Well the taunt depends on how they spec but if we asume they spec full in their main weapon. Cs will get taunt at 10, blunts at 8, swords, pierce and lw at 6.
 
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Kobold

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A tank without taunt is like a girl without boobs...ehm well you get the idea :rolleyes:
 
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matax

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Make sure you tell the tanks to use taunt though ! I played a tank from launch, and then when I started playing some alts, was amazed at how many tanks didn't know to use it - or even what it was :eek:
Also tell them to use it as soon as they start attacking - not just once it has aggro'd you.

Note: this is experience of low level tanks i.e. below about lv.15 and not all ;)

Make sure they use Protect as well - can't remember what level this is, but the number that don't know they have it, or just forget to use it is astounding.
 
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healer_mcheal

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Protect for pure tanks is about lvl 10,, and 15 for none pure tanks
 
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anno_dk

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hmm, if ur ungrp'd and u got tank to taunt solo too tanking mob pbaoe always get aggro... tho if ur in grp with taunt he will only have to taunt 2-3 times, as the aggro pbaoe takes is divided among the whole grp, becuz of pb. so dunno why u have gotten aggro :rolleyes:
 
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old.Kennsai

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ive been a fully specced mana chanter for a while now and to be honest, i barely ever get aggro from a tank taunted mob, and in some cases, i dont get aggro even if the mob hasnt been taunted. the main thing is to time your attacks, i dont know how to explain it exactlly but it works fine for me. ive never died due to getting aggro, put it that way =)
 
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old.Kennsai

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I did notice that using your own dmg shield (in the mana baseline) kind of made getting aggro off that bit harder. (+2.6dps at lvl22). The same buff for wizzies is in the Earth spec line, so most Ice wizzies will only have the lvl1 dmg shield.
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lol, i dont use the damage shield at all if im in a grp, it makes aggro stick like a sh1t to a blanket.

one question though, when they made the damage shield a non-self only buff, i found that the mana spec damage shield was pretty much pointless, (i know the mana spec pet damage shield is alot stronger) but i found the baseline damage shield does good enough. imo it should be changed to something abit more useable, coz the concentration and power munching damage shield that it is now is kinda crap :(
 
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old.FIN

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Wee Ninja u here =)

come to BG 20-24 , my mincer is 23, so u got some time i think, i take your sweet ass back to hibbios by killing u =)


lol
 
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cbh_skyrie

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:]

I'm currently playing a lvl 48 eldritch whos mana specced (got my last pb).

I dont think our pb draws that much aggro, as long as tanks are taunting the chances of drawing aggro is quite low. However, when I hit for 1k+ I do get aggroed :] But its usually nothing tanks can't pull off me again in a swing or two.

Hit a man at arms for 1500 damage last night >_<
 
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old.Arctic

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NInjastyle, remember me? ;)

we lvled some along time ago with my dead wizard arctic, now i am in excal hib to with a caster, a chanter lvl 10, lets like get together and group, it would be a killer combination with 2 pbaoes pb away =). so my chars name i cthulhu, try msg me ingame or send a mail or something. he is a lvl 1x would be fun :)

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

aahh :m00:
 
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old.Niljindil

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Dont know if someone answered this already but..

About the hero not holding agro: Wtf? always did when i played my baby chanter...

About your pet not holding agro: Pbae agro works like this, every time you nuke, the game checks anyone that attacked the affected people in the nearest few seconds, and then distribute agro between everyone exactly the same(the game assumes you are cooperating, and the insane pbae damage and the close range would be impossible to taunt enough damage to hold agro were it not for this). HOWEVER, pets dont work this way, because of the obvious exploit of having a pet with damage shield and then just nuke away with no fear whatsoever(you could possibly solo like a dozen yellows in 5 secs this way).

One thing to note though, is that CRITICAL hits are not distrubuted like i described above, any damage done by your pbae which is critical hits are YOUR AGRO and noone elses. Maybe you got some unlucky crits when grouped with your chanter?
 
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Ninjastyle

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lol sure thing arctic, i'll message u tonite if ur on

i tried to pbae lots of blackthorns and lunas last nite. After my pet agro'd the mobs a bit, i would do a pbae and qc pbae and mobs were dead everytime, was much fun :D
 
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Danya

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Originally posted by old.FIN
Wee Ninja u here =)

come to BG 20-24 , my mincer is 23, so u got some time i think, i take your sweet ass back to hibbios by killing u =)
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Pff all the mincers I saw in the BG sucked. :p
 
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SingerOfSoul

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yup it is real good

on my chanter i did lvls 11-15 in 1st the 2 forests near mag mell then when i hit 14 i went to the big boy forest near tir na mBeo was much fun and u dont need pet to aggro em either cos u get aggro after 1 pb (and dont use qc either unless needs a 3rd pb cos u just play thru onto 2nd pb ;) )
 
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