Hib aint what it used to be

[Novamir]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch

two is that we're running an rvr guild, not a charity shop... i dont get this, dont come along to me and whine i should let you follow alongside with me, there is no right that you hold that i am compelled to work with you, as some have said, do what you enjoy, well sometimes we enjoy to run alone, and sometimes we like it that way.. we're not here to work for other people, that we should take them along with us.. dont be so rude as to put us in a position that we should serve you in this way.

See of course you're not here to work for anyone, but you won't even lower yourself to teaming with random hibs any more. This is realm vs realm you know? Just yesterday Sirene had a FG of LA who didn't want to come with our 2FG hibs, even tho there was a huge alb zerg in emain. This Elite RvR Team then got wiped, they disbanded and logged off. Is that indeed better than coming with the rest of us and getting rid of albs??

three, we're strongly anti-zerg, i personally, believe zergs create zergs, more people cause the enemy to return with more in retaliation, whatever your theory and beliefs on zerging, this is my opinion, and i dont run in with a 'counter-zerg', unless it threatens the realm in some manner, or again, if my group agrees we should, for whatever reasons they may have.

that's great but what abut when there's a zerg which kills everything in emain? i'd rather zerg back than sit on my high horse and get my arse kicked. you believe that zergs create zergs? well it clearly doesn't in hibernia, because we're too stupid to realise that if there's 50 albs at amg we can't still beat them with 1fg.


we did at least team up with aragone's LA group and TMM when albs had around 100 in emain last night and had some success. gives me hope.

 

[Tyka]

Nova i asked you once if you wanted to help us get rid of the zerg, and your comment was "VGN dont need help, VGN are ubar". Don't want to turn this thread into a flame thread but seriously you play how much? once a month and just that day you make your descision on how hibs are in general?

You don't give a shit about how things are in hib, you play the game the way you wan't, on many occassions people have asked you to help them and got an sarcastic comment back, i got no problem with that because i know i can be a cunt myself.

But i respect that, you play the game you want and if you don't want to help us fight zergs or whatever its up to you.

Some people in hib sit at AF and craft 24/7, why dont you ask them to get a group together and help you, IT HAS to be the people who actively rvrs? In my opinion no, if you want to get something sorted get off your lazy ass, because this is not hibernias problem.

Getting tired of these people who rvr once in a month and have the guts to spew /as with what is correct to do in rvr at that moment he plays, i mean where the fuck have you been hiding the other billion times where we were helping the realm (not talking about you nova, but in general).

Hibernia lost it's touch, but it's not the rvr guilds fault, it's mythic, the game is shit now and only a few things interest most people in that game, and we want them on same places in one guild.

Btw I've said this enough but vgn is not an rvr guild, we're an guild of friends who do what we enjoy to do and if you expect us to be at all keepdefences at anytime you wish you seriously need your head examined, Because do i tell you to get off your ass when u crafting in AF to come help us in rvr? No.

Play the game you want and forget about the rest, if you need something done get it done yourself. The day that you rely on others to help you in a game, it's not a game anymore.

 

[Tyka]

Oh and btw i think everyone should read deygos post it's just brilliant i wish i could speak as well as him

 

[old.Laryssa]

Originally posted by deygos

take the intiative & deal with it , it's been like this on hib for ages.

nuff said in one small sentence. it's not sad, but true !

people in hib became like civil servants ... slow, ponderously and lazy.

Nowadays everyone expects others to form groups for them, to invite them, to plvl them and that is what kills the game mainly - the lazyness of anyone of us (some more some less) - that mythic turned the game partially into shit is another story but it does not aid the situation.

There is no really cure for it - only if we get it together and overcome the inner pig dog in us and start to be more active wew could become what we lost on the way a while back.

 

[censi]

your right about daoc becoming a bit shit.

I think everyone including albion and midguard is sick to death with zerg warefare. Theres just so much potential in this game but its missing the mark by a long way. There isnt any real motivation to RVR... Relic and keeps just arnt enough.

Thats probably half the problem, the more experienced players have seen the same scenario so many times and you just get bored and cba to go clean out emain for 15 mins intill albion port back again.

I really enjoy the game best soloing (which can be frustrating when 90% of players grp and the other 10% are assasins) FG rvr has been killed by albion cuz they been getting pwned since day 1, they just do whatever it takes to win

Gotta agree cens, Alb is a lot less guild concerned. But to be hounest of late i find it difficult to totally agree with your zerge conclusions. I see many more mid zerges lately then I do alb, especially camping the pk

Karlo, those hibernian roots are fading fast, trust me.... Albion zerg > than anything in this game.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
ok, let me explain that -

im a bard, im (my class) a core member of any decent rvr group

i like to think im a nice guy, im in LA, i've given effort and time to the guild, and i enjoy being in LA.

i like my guildmates, consider them my friends, cant think of any who i have problems with, and we do things nicely.

if we are roaming as one FG, and everyone is happy, and someone wants me to team up to defeat a zerg of immense proportions, yeah sure, i dont mind.. but, i also have to realise im in a group of 8 people, we're together at this moment, and i should consider their thoughts/opinions on the subject, since they're
a) guild mates
b) group members
c) quite possibly friends

its called common courtesy.

yes, i pay my sub, i should do what i enjoy - i enjoy being with the people i like and playing with them, doing stuff that is fun - if one of them doesnt want to join with another group/zerg, then fine, i dont want to split a grp, or cause a small rift with a friend, we're fine as we are in that case.

by the same token i expect people to realise they will be treated the exact same way by me if they are in categories above

if im in someones PvE group, and we're in the middle of DF, and someone asks me if i would like to take my group to legion... wouldnt you think it best to ask the group if everyone would like to go? and if one person didnt, then to stay with him and carry on as before?

if i am in someones RvR group, i will treat them the same way, i'll ask if they wish to run alongside another group and if they're ok with it

i know how the game works, i know how to work and defeat zergs, i know when its better to group up with others..

about the tagging along thing - guys, i dislike people tagging along with our groups <if it wasnt agreed upon> for a few reasons

one is that working as guild only, you get practice and learn to work better together, its not so hard when you have overwhelming numbers, it leaves you with more margin to make mistakes..
in a strictly guild group environment, people can be better at what they do and learn quicker, since mistakes are felt more harshly, eg the druid not using GP on time can result in a wipe etc, if there was another fg there, then maybe the wipe wouldnt occur and the druid would feel more relaxed on what he should've done and not learn from it.
aka : training

two is that we're running an rvr guild, not a charity shop... i dont get this, dont come along to me and whine i should let you follow alongside with me, there is no right that you hold that i am compelled to work with you, as some have said, do what you enjoy, well sometimes we enjoy to run alone, and sometimes we like it that way.. we're not here to work for other people, that we should take them along with us.. dont be so rude as to put us in a position that we should serve you in this way.

three, we're strongly anti-zerg, i personally, believe zergs create zergs, more people cause the enemy to return with more in retaliation, whatever your theory and beliefs on zerging, this is my opinion, and i dont run in with a 'counter-zerg', unless it threatens the realm in some manner, or again, if my group agrees we should, for whatever reasons they may have.

hope this doesnt come off as too 'elite', or whatever, its put as plainly as possible, switch the roles around and you'll understand better.

strongly agrees with this

 

[uncle_sal]

I think you are all wrong in your own way

 

[Novamir]

I admit i said that tyka, at the time it seemed like all VGN wanted our help so they could get more RPs.. when u basically ignore us the rest of the time. Was just my opinion at the time. Yes i can be disagreeable/annoying/rude sometimes too but the whole point of this post was so people can talk about it because i personally don't see much hope for realm rvr. Guild rvr is probably better than it's ever been and maybe that's what you want. I just wish we could zerg amg sometimes and have those huge standoffs with albs like old times.

 

[deygos]

Oh and btw i think everyone should read deygos post it's just brilliant i wish i could speak as well as him

i wish i could swear as well as that mofo Tyka

99% of albs don't know how to fight at all outside a zerg - all they know how to do is f8 f6 /stick, and no amount of alb loving will change that.

I don't think 1.60 will change anything zerg wise - all that will happen is that albs get better at mg camping than they are now \o/

err Storm mate do u ever read what you post? You're like a whore post-bot or somit i'm sure ;] & do you honestly think the people who play on alb actually enjoy camping? if u ever get to try alb go rvr with them for a bit & u'll realise how fked things are on the other side of the fence

...as it's been said no likes zerg blah blah but mythic has contributed to this problem 100%...

a) albions r gimped & need help
b) sc'ing is...a mess
c) the tunnel design of emain encourages pack hunting anyway
d) s.i brought no new rvr zones or real innovations to the game

by innovations i mean say rvr zones with population caps, or challenge zones or somit where say there could be a max of 2fgs per realm inside at any one time & like league tables of undefeated guilds in these zones etc...


how many of u peeps are just biding your time in DAOC because there is nothing else on the market?

say if WOW was out or DE/SWG..would u still be playing DAOC? R people tolerating the shit for now until the next big thing??


anyway i'll be back for hats & housing that's for sure

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by deygos



how many of u peeps are just biding your time in DAOC because there is nothing else on the market?

Errr...uhm....erm........Busted!

 

[deygos]

hey nm!

are u stressed playing DAOC?

ain't got enough money for your albatives?
ain't got a regular rvr crew?
ain't got another game to play?
ain't got a clue what to do with yourself?
ain't got that drop you've always wanted?

well chill out with

England's finest

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by deygos
err Storm mate do u ever read what you post? You're like a whore post-bot or somit i'm sure ;] & do you honestly think the people who play on alb actually enjoy camping? if u ever get to try alb go rvr with them for a bit & u'll realise how fked things are on the other side of the fence

...as it's been said no likes zerg blah blah but mythic has contributed to this problem 100%...

Do I think they enjoy camping mg's? I wouldn't presume to know whether they do so or not. But what I DO know is whenever I enter emain then albs are camping a mg most of the time, and zerging 99% of the time.

Will the alb love patch change the attitude of z3rg4t3hw1n!!!

Doubt it.

Seriously do you expect them to suddenly say "hey we got loving, tell you what instead of zerging as usual lets go and roam in 1 or 2 fgs"

Get real

The only thing that will change imo is that uber alb guild groups like BF/GoL/HB/FC will be harder to take down due to their new toys.

 

[Amadon]

yeh.. if albs hated zerging so much then they could always come with 5fg to face the 2fg odd hibs that they ever run across instead of the 10fg they always seem to come with

what exactly do you think all the other albs will do in 1.60?

"oh ok.. FC and BC are going to emain so the other 100 odd of us will go and craft or play alts" ??

albs zerg because they have too many active rvr players for the limited areas that mythic made viable for rvr

 

[deygos]

Seriously do you expect them to suddenly say "hey we got loving, tell you what instead of zerging as usual lets go and roam in 1 or 2 fgs"

er yeah lmao coz that's what they need - zerging aint fun period, u get less rpts. it sux bad, they only do it coz they have to do it to win

if they get the extra bit of love that they need, cc or whatever then guilds will become more confident about handling themselves & will not mass at atk & wait for more albs to port

i forgot one thing to mention about why albs zerg so much....ask yourself how do they get into emain? they port, what happens if u miss port etc so they arrive in big fat bunches

& what happens in hib? once you got your group you go..do u wait to build up a zerg? naww u don't need to

why do they all camp the mg or whatever...gee its the bottleneck, get to the front of the line if you want rpts

come on mate how many more hints do u need ;]

also i just read amadons post - he makes a good point - population wise albs are overflowing & emain's design doesn't excatly help them spread out

 

[Afroninja]

i think an alb has hi-jacked dey`s account

 

[deygos]

chill out with england's finest m8 lol

 

[StormriderX]

we'll see what happens when we get the new patch...

 

[Afroninja]

doesnt go through the firewall

 

[wuntvor]

how many of u peeps are just biding your time in DAOC because there is nothing else on the market?

say if WOW was out or DE/SWG..would u still be playing DAOC? R people tolerating the shit for now until the next big thing??

Yup

 

[foolou]

teh zerg

Nice post Novamir.

Hey ppl what's wrong with zerging?

Zerging is the perfection of rvr as it balances out overpowered classes and the uberequipment longtimeplayers get.

Playing in a zerg isn't as easy as some here believe. (I guess those who dislike zerging just play wrong and die too fast)
Zerging got its own laws.
And ofc there are different things needed in zergs than in the 'gank-group-rvr'.

Zerging is fun, the game engine encourages it, so ppl lern to zerg and enjoy it!

 

[dakeyras]

Originally posted by StormriderX
Do I think they enjoy camping mg's? I wouldn't presume to know whether they do so or not. But what I DO know is whenever I enter emain then albs are camping a mg most of the time, and zerging 99% of the time.

Will the alb love patch change the attitude of z3rg4t3hw1n!!!

Doubt it.

Seriously do you expect them to suddenly say "hey we got loving, tell you what instead of zerging as usual lets go and roam in 1 or 2 fgs"

Get real

The only thing that will change imo is that uber alb guild groups like BF/GoL/HB/FC will be harder to take down due to their new toys.

Why do Albs zerg emain?

Alot of 50's are in small guilds that couldn't field a full group, let alone a competitive one, even if all the Guild were online. They run out to HW, and find only Guild groups from GoL/BF/FC/SS etc and either find no enemy or get zerged by 40-50 Mids or steamrollered by 1-2 fg's of high RR Hibs.

So they go Odin's. At atk they find Guild groups from GoL/BF/FC/SS..head out in their unbalanced little gp and get trampled by 40-50 Mids or steamrollered by 1-2 fg's of high RR Hibs.

They realise the futility of trying to compete as a new 50 with RR 5+'s, so they go emain with the fresh scars of being mezzed/stunned/killed over and over and find 40-50 others. They meet some enemy's and kill them, get rp's, get realm abilities etc etc.

Most don't stay the course. They rolled Alb because of the setting/familiarty etc and once they have been exposed to RvR in this fashion usually /quit, /inactive or /reroll infils. Those that don't either develop there own regular groups or migrate to one of the more established Guilds where they find 'Hey..we can actually win!'.

For those that leave, game design dictates a regular influx of new replacements and so it goes on.

I don't go Emain (well, twice this year) but that was how it used to be and so presume still is, and probably always will be.

One thing you have to ask yourself, and this applies to players from any Realm, is 'Do you really expect new/casual players who are RR1/2 to go out in 1-2 FG's to fight 1-2 FG's of RR5-10?

If the answer is no..then how do those players expect to get some rp's to get to point where they can compete?

 

[Tyka]

Re: teh zerg

Originally posted by foolou
Nice post Novamir.

Hey ppl what's wrong with zerging?

Zerging is the perfection of rvr as it balances out overpowered classes and the uberequipment longtimeplayers get.

Playing in a zerg isn't as easy as some here believe. (I guess those who dislike zerging just play wrong and die too fast)
Zerging got its own laws.
And ofc there are different things needed in zergs than in the 'gank-group-rvr'.

Zerging is fun, the game engine encourages it, so ppl lern to zerg and enjoy it!

This must be the dumbest post ever, seriously you think everyone likes the game like you and play it the way you do?

How do you think druids/bards feel like in zergs, and what about wardens i mean seriously do you thinkt these classes will think its fun?

Lol cant believe u actually say "playing in a zerg is not as easy as some believe" ... ah well.

 

[old.lewstherin]

Afaik VGN and LA and ithil galad has been very helpfull when I needed them for RRs or keep retakes. Most times they brought rams and have performed very well and whined the least . Well all except tyka =)

 

[Tyka]

Originally posted by Novamir
I admit i said that tyka, at the time it seemed like all VGN wanted our help so they could get more RPs.. when u basically ignore us the rest of the time.

I asked the same way you usually ask me and if you think we're out after the rps well the don't ask us anymore, i don't care, either we get help to get rid of zerg or we do somethign else i don't mind because there is always another day. As for ignoring you well, just because i don't zerg with you does not mean i ignore you

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by Novamir
See of course you're not here to work for anyone, but you won't even lower yourself to teaming with random hibs any more. This is realm vs realm you know? Just yesterday Sirene had a FG of LA who didn't want to come with our 2FG hibs, even tho there was a huge alb zerg in emain. This Elite RvR Team then got wiped, they disbanded and logged off. Is that indeed better than coming with the rest of us and getting rid of albs??

We do 'lower' ourselves and work with random hibs all the time.
As for the thing about Sirene, I wasn't there, dont know of the circumstances, cant say what went on in that group.

that's great but what abut when there's a zerg which kills everything in emain? i'd rather zerg back than sit on my high horse and get my arse kicked. you believe that zergs create zergs? well it clearly doesn't in hibernia, because we're too stupid to realise that if there's 50 albs at amg we can't still beat them with 1fg.


we did at least team up with aragone's LA group and TMM when albs had around 100 in emain last night and had some success. gives me hope.

Like i said, depends entirely on the situation and circumstances, i'm always happy to assist to break any 'camp' of people, and we've done it quite often, a lot of the time I/we organise it.

You can ask around, a lot of the time things take place such as keep (re)takes, when someone has a CS in our realm or whatever, and basically there is a CG up, and maybe about 40 people inside, but no-one there has the desire to take control of it, so i bring along whoever i can from my guild or ligen, and attempt to drive the thing through, very often buying tons of rams/wood out of my own pocket, spending time i would have otherwise could have spent 'farming rps'.

please dont talk shit, we help the realm a lot, but not all the time.

 

[kalid]

Re: Re: teh zerg

Originally posted by Tyka
This must be the dumbest post ever, seriously you think everyone likes the game like you and play it the way you do?

How do you think druids/bards feel like in zergs, and what about wardens i mean seriously do you thinkt these classes will think its fun?

Lol cant believe u actually say "playing in a zerg is not as easy as some believe" ... ah well.

His post is no less dumb than your own post. You coming down on his playstyle and what he and other think is fun with your opinion of what other people/classes think is fun.

I like both GRPvGRP and ZERGvZERG and tbh I miss the real epic battles in the bowl with all three realms being involved. As a druid I like epic battles. Throw heals, do some melee when out of mana. Regen some mana, throw more heals. In epic battles, as a support character, I can get a chance of doing other stuff I normally can't do in GRPvGRP.

 

[foolou]

lol @ tyka

Omg tyka seems like I hit a vulnerable spot there.

FLAME

lol

Still missing any reasonable arguement against zerging ... you heard the dr00d

 

[Tyka]

The difference is that i don't mind foolou play like that, while from his post it sounds liek we're doing the wrong "thing".

Well maybe nature druids like that kind of battles but that is because no groups would want them. Solo is boring when you got no range spell or can dish out enough damage, some classes are there for healing and supporting and i dont see where a druid fits in a "epic zerg battle" alone middle of amg.

Btw a zerg is uncontrollable, so i guess by foolous post he would mean soloing around in emain with 100 others, would maybe be different in a group.

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Reasonable arguement against zerging:

1) It creates counterzergs, it's like starting to camp amg in the morning with 2 fg and then complain that albs are running 4 fg+ all day, wonder why...

2) It's 'select nearest target' warfare.. usually people either die so fast there's nothing you can do about them dieing (terribly frustrating as a healer class) or on the other side your zerg kills the enemy so fast there's nothing to heal.

I don't enjoy jumping on a fg with 3 fgs and i don't enjoy having a fg on me alone, call me crazy. But these things happen in zerg warfare, you lose all perspective and focus on the enemies nearest to you, thus usually overwhelming them, and the enemy overwhelming some of your stragglers. This kinda negates healer classes imo and seriously ruins the fun for me.
Sorry but i like to make a difference in a fight, call it egocentric, call it me trying to play the game instead of doing /stick and hoping i get some realmpoints before i release.

If there's nothing challenging about rvr then why play that way? because you get realmpoints? sounds more like a job to me than a game... just my perception

 

[foolou]

Trying to answer to that Thanatlos:

The fact that counterzergs build up can't be an arguement against zerging.
Its a circle, if you're against zergs you're ofc against counterzergs.

The target nearest enemy thing is maybe a point. Although target selection isn't so very difficult in group-vs-group, it's killing healers/casters first, then tanks.

And ofc i don't think owning a smaller zerg with a big one is fun.
I don't wanna force zerging, but when there is a zerg, I can't see any reason against building one and have some big battle.

And Tyka I had to polarize to get my message through.
Zergs btw are kinda controllable.