Heya All!

[Thugs]

Not too bothered

Ain't really too concerned. I KNOW you would have died one on one cos you were dieing so fast. I had already debuffed your str and con with 22 enervating so the bd debuff wassa load of crap. Also 102 hits off a dwarf hunter would have made no difference at all. You might have been able to hit me once more if that.

Was hoping i wouldn't have to look for you again but now it seems i have to.

PKJ

 

[Gaddry]

would love to see screenies even better video of u 2 fighting. and then pkj getting FTWPWNED

 

[Thugs]

Hehe

Wouldn't u just . Ain't happened during all these weeks of playing and boasting though m8. Not lost a one on one fight since i made my new suit with some decent resists. Must say something about PKJ.

PKJ

 

[Gaddry]

yeah that u got the money to spend

still say it, if i had the bot/money/items id hand it to ya

but going to be time b4 i get stuff required and for that matter an sb

 

[Thugs]

Retiring

I won't be playing for too much longer and i am tieing up all loose ends. First of all you gotta kill the likes of Valky (which i intend to do one on one before retiring). If you can kill her maybe you could havva chance against PKJ. Lotta proving to do though. Good luck to you. Will take dedication and nerve for sure as well as good gear/buffs etc, and probably a big mouth (like mine) so you get the adrenalin rush needed to compete.

Just shows that at Thid level SBs can still rule against infs/ns if you play in a certain way and break the norm.

PKJ

 

[Totyn]

Just shows that at Thid level SBs can still rule against infs/ns if you play in a certain way and break the norm.
PKJ

spending hundreds of gold on equip? Tbh, anyone can do that.

 

[Cawr]

lol erm dedication and nerve :>

Anyways imo Shadowblades are the superior stealther in bg1. Swinging both weapons everytime means your guarenteed to land both evenoms, whereas CD and DW's chance to hit with off-hand weapon gets better with spec.

Two-Handed PAs are brutal and afaik Mid leather is thrust resistant? That being the most common Infil/Nighty spec. May need to correct me on that

The only penalty that I can see for an SB is that their weapons are 100% Str based and so their weapon damage/skill is fully affected by evenom debuffs.

Sorry for thread Hi-jack!

 

[Thugs]

Not again

I keep saying to myself i ain't gonna post anymore forra while then i come back and find peeps saying sodding daft things that start me off again.

Hundreds of gold on wot? SC suit - yeah deff. Some weapons - yeah deff. No toa stuff - nothing no other bugger ain't supposed to have. And you think getting that will make you the Uber SB? Wait till you get that lot and meet a similarly equipped slash inf. Like to see your comments after for sure.

SBs are the best stealther at Thid level - hell m8 where have you been hiding? SBs have had the guts ripped out of them at Thid level for ages. We are slash vulnerable never mind about thrust. LA has had a 40% damage reduction and believe me fighting a twinked thrust inf with a 2 hander will see you hit the floor in no time at all if the bugger evades (which he will do if you try using a 2 hander against him, unless lady luck is on your side). I suggest you try being an sb before you make anymore comments and see what it is like to play the class first.

PKJ

 

[Cawr]

SBs are the best stealther at Thid level - hell m8 where have you been hiding? SBs have had the guts ripped out of them at Thid level for ages. We are slash vulnerable never mind about thrust. LA has had a 40% damage reduction and believe me fighting a twinked thrust inf with a 2 hander will see you hit the floor in no time at all if the bugger evades (which he will do if you try using a 2 hander against him, unless lady luck is on your side). I suggest you try being an sb before you make anymore comments and see what it is like to play the class first.

PKJ

I based my argument on facts, you brought in a nerf that balanced all LA users.

What idiot would use the 2hander other than to PA? And if you don't see my point about the resistances I really can't be bothered to explain it to you in words of one syllable.

 

[Staffzor]

I based my argument on facts, you brought in a nerf that balanced all LA users.

What idiot would use the 2hander other than to PA? And if you don't see my point about the resistances I really can't be bothered to explain it to you in words of one syllable.

I believe you have to spec fairly high LA to enable decent damage on both hands, allthough yes you gain the ability to always swing LA so therefore get a good haste effect and chance to land both envenoms. Having previously thought what you did that SB would be best due to highest HP and LA mechanics I am gonna say I was way off the mark, 2handed PA was nice but then using 2 weapons the damage was no where near that of my BG infil.

That is jsut my opinion having played both classes in BG with fully scded capped and buffed goodies, ofc the infil gets spec AF which makes it a little easier to win

 

[Ormorof]

Swinging both weapons everytime means your guarenteed to land both evenoms,

not guaranteed to hit though

 

[Cawr]

I believe you have to spec fairly high LA to enable decent damage on both hands, allthough yes you gain the ability to always swing LA so therefore get a good haste effect and chance to land both envenoms. Having previously thought what you did that SB would be best due to highest HP and LA mechanics I am gonna say I was way off the mark, 2handed PA was nice but then using 2 weapons the damage was no where near that of my BG infil.

That is jsut my opinion having played both classes in BG with fully scded capped and buffed goodies, ofc the infil gets spec AF which makes it a little easier to win

The high speccing in their Dual Wield line in order to increase damage output goes for Nightshades and Infiltrators too, so don't really see that as relevant.

I agree that spec af or spec haste may tip the balance if the stealthers are buffed.

not guaranteed to hit though

Your splitting hairs, at least the off-hand weapon will reach as far as the miss/block/parry/evade/fumble code every swing. I will rephrase to "Swinging both weapons everytime means your guarenteed to land both evenoms if resists and defense are not taken into account".

 

[Totyn]

Hundreds of gold on wot? SC suit - yeah deff. Some weapons - yeah deff. No toa stuff - nothing no other bugger ain't supposed to have. And you think getting that will make you the Uber SB? Wait till you get that lot and meet a similarly equipped slash inf. Like to see your comments after for sure.
PKJ

Lol, stop bragging about how good you are, you have full SC suit, crafted weapons, and a buffbot, that is easymode. Not everyone has tons of gold to spend on a bg character.

 

[Staffzor]

The high speccing in their Dual Wield line in order to increase damage output goes for Nightshades and Infiltrators too, so don't really see that as relevant.

http://pete.waterman.net/daoc/Dual-Wield.html#_Toc43191356

"Quoted from how LA mechanics work"
It’s important to note that for Left Axe, the average damage done by the offhand weapon is apparently determined by the spec in Left Axe, whereas for Celtic Dual and Dual Wield, this average damage is determined by the mainhand’s weapon spec.

Therefore the offhand will do so little due to the less points a shadowblade has that it is only really useing the 2 weapons to put poison in as the damage is terrible

 

[Thugs]

Totyn

Hey Totyn.

I ain't gotta brag about how good i am. Just ask Staffzor how bad an sb is compared to an inf at Thid level. Am pretty sure he hadda a hell offa shock when he tried an sb. When yu use 2 weapons an sb's damage at Thid level is below half of an infs. Yet i still kick an inf's arse - buffed and sc'd? Infact i hunted Prowler or someone (recently)- a heavily buffed thrust inf that had killed a load of sbs and killed him after suffering maybe 5-10% damage. How come? Ask yourself that. Infact ask Staffzor and see if he has worked it out yet.

PKJ

 

[Gaddry]

ur starting to get really boring, GIVE me PKJ and i will fucking kick arse.

 

[Thugs]

Give yu PKJ?

Hehe now this is where it gets interesting.

I have given you PKJ really. I have posted his methods. Methods i have kept secretive for a few years. The methods are in my postings. The spec? Hell no big deal. Here it is:

Stealth 19+5=24
Axe 20+5=25
Poison 20+5=25
la 6+5=11

Can u make that work though? Can't see it cos you gotta be an intense idiot like me to make the spec work.

Buffed spec?

172 str
Dex around 205
665 hits - cant' remember con.
quickness 187

As you can see str sux which makes playing him that much harder.

Given you all the tools for a PKJ emulation really so the ball is in your court. One i notice that could become another PKJ is Axemaster. He is going to try the spec.

Tip of the day: drink sherry cos you don't go mental (i think)

PKJ

 

[Staffzor]

Hey Totyn.

I ain't gotta brag about how good i am. Just ask Staffzor how bad an sb is compared to an inf at Thid level. Am pretty sure he hadda a hell offa shock when he tried an sb. When yu use 2 weapons an sb's damage at Thid level is below half of an infs. Yet i still kick an inf's arse - buffed and sc'd? Infact i hunted Prowler or someone (recently)- a heavily buffed thrust inf that had killed a load of sbs and killed him after suffering maybe 5-10% damage. How come? Ask yourself that. Infact ask Staffzor and see if he has worked it out yet.

PKJ

I have worked it out as posted earlier . Still a SB can do fine, and especially at BG level it is whoever PA wins, unless really unfortunate on evades and resists. I know you are specced more of a melee spec as opposed to critblade so therefore you are relying on WS and to not get PA'd to do this you are probably strafeing a lot while stealthed and just spamming anytimes to knock infils out of stealth and relying on your str/con debuff to do the PA equivelant.

 

[Thugs]

But?

Ah but does that make me good or not?

Straffing? Yup i will do but i also outdamage standing toe to toe also. Infact if i stand toe to toe i will increase damage considerably. No straffing agains't Valkybabe at all. When i don't straff then i gonna hurt fast big time. I never straff if the opponent is really dangerous. Not really true cos i will test to see if they have used stick or not.

PKJ

 

[Gaddry]

if i was sad enough to spend the time and had enough money i would make an SB, but i dont right now.

I may make one but i wont have all the gear so thinking there is little point.

I know for a fact that i could do what u say u do if i had the stuff, hell an 8 yr old would have good chance.

if u went out there unbuffed and SCed and did summit then i might actually think its impressive, but that not going to happen, and we all knwo why, bcus this GAME requires very little skill, it requires time/money and bobs ur uncle u can kill stuff.

your not speical pkj lol, sadly i dont think ur going to realise that, but u can keep dreaming

 

[Thugs]

Why do i post?

Hadda drink now (again) and considering why i post so much. Well you ain't heard from me for ages not since i was Honed really. Heard some outpourings when i was getting steaming drunk and out of control but now you hearing my nonsense again. Why? Well i am a happy sb. I care for SBs. When i hunted Prowler he had killed a number of sbs so badly one or 2 logged off. Hell Catrine (buffed slash inf) put a load of sbs out of action. I come along and turn the tables. You know wot i ain't seen Prowler since. Catrine is a nice inf and i respect her a lot so no bad feelings there. Valkybabe and ns's? Shit they are as bad as infs. Low hits maybe but dish out damage like holy hell. Down they go though and i piss them off too. I also look after groups that are taking the CK etc by hunting on the edge. I do good as an sb and i kinda proud of myself - infact dead right i am.

Infact i fucking proud to be an SB and always have been (excuse the language).

Gadd? Special. Well i think i am. I know i am for sure and all the infs and ns do as well. You on the other hand ain't played an sb yet. When yu have then see wot i have achieved at Thid level. You might reconsider then i think.

PKJ

 

[Gaddry]

dear god, i give up there is no hope. u are one sad mofo lol

 

[Thugs]

Nope

Gad - do me a sodding favour and restart on Albion as an inf. Get your sc gear - spec in slash - get wotever else you need and head for Thid. There m8y i will rip your intestines out. Nothing else will suffice by the looks of it cos you too damn thick (or you are showing signs of being so dumb headed). I kinda still got respect for you cos you can't be that stupid (well i hope not). Hang on in there as a Mid cos i think you have a great deal to offer but slagging me off ain't gonna work m8. Tis impossible as far as you are concerned.

PKJ

 

[Gaddry]

The reason I slag you off is because I cannot stand arrogant people, people that do well and are humble I salute them. People that do well, and feel the need to brag and go on about how uber they are really piss me off. Some one that gets on does the job well and doesn’t spout shit all the time I salute.

I am even more impressed by some one that does well under difficult conditions, and frankly that aint going to happen in a GAME like DAoC, there is nothing special about any one that does well in this game, after all it’s a game. There is more to life than it, and I feel pity for people that get so rapped up in a GAME such as your self.

It is one thing having a laugh doing a bit of smack talk, biging your self-up a bit. But you actually take it way too seriously. Im not going to bother making any more lengthy posts in response to you because frankly its not doing me any good is it.

I am safe in the knowledge that some one that gets so much pleasure in spouting crap about how good they are on these boards, must be lacking rather a lot in real life.

 

[Thugs]

Hehe

Nice excuse. M8y i have won a lot of things in my life - running events etc. Tis all a battle. Don't hide behind excuses. Wot you really think is that you have more than met your match as a lot of people have realized before you. Now you decide to ridicule as a way out. Playing a successful sb is more than just damage; there are tactics to consider as well - tis as much about psychology as anything else. Again something i have studied in great depth - Freud and Jung etc.

Hows you coping m8? .

PKJ

 

[Gaddry]

"have met your match as others b4 u have"...wtf >_< spare the world this person GOD

 

[Thugs]

God?

God - nah. Just an extremely nasty sb that kills infs and ns or anything that corners me. If you are a Mid (which you are i think) i will dive in and die to kill wotever it is that has killed you before i drop. That is me really - thoroughly nasty sb that protects his Mid mates.

PKJ

 

[Dommelsch]

they should really mollest you irl tbh ( i care not if i get banned for saying this ~~ )

 

[Thugs]

Molest

Ah, but first someone gotta do it in the game ain't they? .

Hell i sick of upsetting people but no-one able to do it yet (kill me one on one).

Retiring soon - looks like undefeated as a 665 hits Valkyn too.

SBs - kick arse. At Thid level we rule full stop.

Stop the insults and kill me when i out in the field soloing (always).

PKJ
Edit: This posting is about Valkybabe. Just be thankful she and i never started on the same realm and teamed. Sod all would live and Thid would probably become a ghost town (battleground). Consider that.

 

[Cawr]

I read Pete's stuff on LA before the nerf, all very techy

Anyway I'd like to draw your attention to this formula;

chance to swing offhand weapon = 25% + .68 * CD/DW spec

While I can see why the damage of an SB's off-hand will be quite poor as a result of low spec'd LA a CD/DW user with low spec will suffer from few off-hand hits even though the damage will be higher when they hit. It all balances out somewhere

I really wish we had a test server like the yanks 'cause I think I'd be sad enough to do some dps comparisons between a bg1 Inf and SB

And Thugs, you win fights by repeatedly dotting your opponents (how many weapons do you have in your inventory btw?) from what I understand? Just sounds painful to meh ;o