Hero respec

[spankya]

Am thinking of respeccing my hero and not sure whether its a good idea or not really... so thought I would ask u peeps

Atm, I have 10 blades, and was planning to go for 42shield, 44CS and the rest parry. But was wondering how good 50CS and 50parry would be, or maybe even respeccing to LW although I think CS is probably better...

Not sure whats best, so any advice would be welcome plz.

 

[Tank Init]

imo 50 CS 50 parry is a gimped hero just look at all them spare points you got left over, what can you do with them 27 shield maybe and 6 blades, you will never use them esp in rvr.

again as a hero 50 LW and 50 parry is also gimped but not as bad as the above just to many unused points left over.

if you want 50 LW be a champ

 

[Novamir]

i just cant decide =/

either

44 CS
42 shield
39 blunt
24 parry

reasoning:

no point taking any weapon skill to 50 unless it has a very useful level 50 style (2nd in chain off side positional = semi-useful)

1H damage is needed in rvr- more speed for PBT mages, and of course you can be defensive with 1h up. crush vulnerability is on friars, infs, arms, palas- all of which are thrust resist. so i get a very nice variation.


or

50 CS
42 shield
39 parry
6 blades

reasoning:

50 CS before bonuses means i can instantly use my 99% qual 16.2, 5.7spd spear and of course gain access to the semi-useful level 50 style. and of course bonuses over 50 with spear do give some dmg advantage.

higher parry will mean all the times i am using spear for damage I will have a bigger chance to parry attacks. though im not a fan of parry at all so im not keen on this.



after consideration i think i'll go for the first (and use adremel's spear until spellcrafting is in), but the 2nd is of course viable also.

 

[Tyka]

44 1h
45 CS
42 shield
10 parry

0 points leftover, best spec you get, in pve, and pvp.

 

[Novamir]

i'd rather have +15 parry than +5 1h damage (since the 44 styles all suck) and +1 CS

matter of opinion i guess, but since i'll be using spear a lot, i want to have at least some theoretical defence

 

[Tyka]

Yes, it depends what kind of hero you want to be, i would like to use all my spec points to its full capacity and have use of every single one of them. Being equipped with 1h/shield is not bad at all in rvr, especially when guarding a mage and bashing on the enemy. Sometimes you are defensive (when enemy purges and no1 is mezmerized). And sometimes you are defensive, you just bring out your hardest hitting stick and bash on them. And on the other hand, having 39 1h wont let you get 50, unless you want to gimp yourself with having crap items instead of good resists items, sure you can get +5 or maybe even +6 in realm ranks but it still will make you do 75%-100% dmg, compared to if you have 44 in blades and easily can raise it to 50+ and have 125%-150% dmg. That does not mean your cap will be raised with 150% when you raise it above but it means you will do more dmg all round to yellow con enemies and raise your lowest limit. Anyways, it comes down to the playstyle as you said, and in my humble opinion a hero is supposed to be either defensive or offensive, depending on wich situation he is. And if you want that, you will be both of those with my spec.

 

[Novamir]

i have +5 from RR, and the prince drop blunt which i'll get had +5 blunts i think, so i should be ok.

 

[Bedroc the Hero]

Im going for

44 CS
42 Shield
10 blade
45 Parry.

that should give me good defensive which i think tanks are all about ( a bit less so in RvR but still needs to take heat )

I can taunt in PvE and easilly get blade skill up to 20 or so will even give a lil damage.

The shield gives me slam and high CS gives a low damage variance with bonuses.

 

[Novamir]

believe me mate if you are choosing that kind of spec line, take spear to 50 so you can use 99% crafted spears NOW, and gain access to lev 50 cs style.

5 more parry and 4 more blades is really pointless

 

[Novamir]

hmm after more consideration mati, i think ur spec is better still.... the extra dmg in 1h and 1 point more in cs is probably more useful than 7% more chance to parry.....


decisions! =)

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Novamir
after consideration i think i'll go for the first (and use adremel's spear until spellcrafting is in).

Trust me u dont wanna use that except for door bashing
It's 94 % qual, 25 % bonus < Epic armour 35 % bonus = miss alot

Got a mp arcanite hooked 2 days ago and i fell in love with it.
(16.5 dps, 5.0 spd, 100 % qual, 35 % bonus.)

And about the specc, (dunno how many threads we discussed this btw)

I respecced to 50cs/42shield/39parry/6blade from gimped 50cs/50parry, in reality i went from 56 CS/60 Parry to 56 CS/50 Parry and got slam. And yes, you do actually parry in large scale battles now. This talk about beeing good in PvE I cant really understand since when u hit lvl 50 it's all about RvR. And BT's aren't really an issue anymore, I use a non-styled hit with a sickle to get rid of it then slam or spear style if he's on low hp since u dont get a delay when u switch weapon.

 

[Novamir]

yep i understand.

but my reasoning is:

parry is gimped in real rvr, and always will be, based on the premises that i said before. (can only stop non styled attacks in front 120 degrees of vision. cant stop bolts or arrows.)

if i want to act as a defensive hero i will choose to use shield. when im using spear, i don't expect to stop anything and usually don't.

the idea for choosing high 1h blunt is because Friars, Infs, Armsmen and Palas are thrust resistant, but crush vulnerable. with 15%+ thrust resist from items which is common for them plus armour thrust res, spear will easily be making -30% or worse damage.

sbs, zerks and hunters are also all thrust resistant - but have neutral crush (and low general crush resist among these classes in mid).

finally 1h is best vs. mages- and the lowest melee resist on all mages now is crush. of course they cap slash first, then thrust later due to assassins. 1h spd = bladeturn beater.

like i said, i think that both specs above are viable. but i rate parry too low, and want best damage coverage over all classes. imo blunt 1H damage with +ve bonus will be the same as spear 2H damage with large negative. the big difference is i will be able to use 1h with shield there also, thus being able to block all the time or guard, or slam without needing to change weaps.

 

[Novamir]

by the way, are you sure bonus on the weapon affects miss rate? i thought miss was a flat % based on con.

 

[Wuren]

"Bonus - This takes into account any bonuses on the armor of the person you're hitting. I'll use the simplest possible example. Let's say your opponent is wearing a shirt with a 10% bonus. You have a sword with a 15% bonus. What you then have is a 5% addition to your "to hit" (which is simply your chance to hit the opponent). It doesn't affect how MUCH you hit for, it increases your chances of landing a hit on him at all."

I dont know the entire "to hit" equation tho, might be con involved to I have no clue.

Well, I see my job as a spearo to take out the support classes and casters. We have the elf's for the tanks.

Thrust vulnerable:

Alb Chain - Cleric, Mercenary, Minstrel
Alb Studded - Scout
Mid Chain - Healer, Shaman, Skald, Thane, Warrior

Neutral:

All casters

After a sickle hit or slam most casters die with 1 spear hit since u always hit dmg cap on them (~630ish for me) + MoP 3. You know as well as I do that CS do silly amount of dmg to chain But there is no right or wrong in this, everyone specc like they want to and are most happy with.

 

[Triskin]

Originally posted by Novamir
by the way, are you sure bonus on the weapon affects miss rate? i thought miss was a flat % based on con.

bonus on the weapon and bonus on the armour you're hitting determines if you get a bonus or a penalty on your to hit

 

[Novamir]

hmmmz ok didn't realise that

so i'll be using crafted 1h blunt and spear when i can get my hands on blunt, which means 49 spear at rr6 and 49 blunt.

when SC comes this discussion will be irrelevant because we can get +Skills on our crafted weaps.

i think ill still stick with 44cs/44blunt/42shield/10parry in the end. it's similar enough to my current spec which i like, but with sorted out errors and better 1h dmg. (currently i got 39 spear, 43 shield, 41 blades, 24 parry )

 

[ceixava]

50 blunts or no blunts at all, the last style is prolly the only good in blunts

 

[Novamir]

no i'm not going to take a 1h skill to 50, waste of points imo

and i want crush damage. besides, 50 blunt style is 2nd in chain off a parry? lol, can't ever see me using that in real rvr (but maybe a lot in duels)

 

[Tyka]

Originally posted by Novamir
the idea for choosing high 1h blunt is because Friars, Infs, Armsmen and Palas are thrust resistant, but crush vulnerable. with 15%+ thrust resist from items which is common for them plus armour thrust res, spear will easily be making -30% or worse damage.

Exactly, could not agree more. These guys wont go down easy even if u have 50 LW or whatever, you just need to protect yourself against them, whoever goes first for a pally or armsmen in a start of a fight is dumb, you just need to make them ineffective for as long as you can, wich you can do perfectly with guard/slam and 1h, then mages can take them down in 2-3 hits before slam wears out. I never believed in that tanks were mage killers, because i can take down a mage 10 times faster than any tank, you guys have to break bt first, then slam, wich if u dont slam they will QC root or something on you and you are fecked up rest of the fight, rather protect the mages and EVEN tho we got a mage nuking us, we can QC nuke, fall back, and nuke again, all this while you are slamming and keepnig all of the minstrels/etc tanks off us.

 

[Tyka]

I can say all these things after played to lvl 50 with both a hero and a eldritch, i know the ups and downs of a hero in each different group, i know what kind of hero i want in my group and i know how they work to their best capacity. So to any hero that wants to be good in rvr, there is 3 skills you need to take to 50 with realm ranks, that would be shield, 1h dmg, and 2h dmg. Parry is worthless in rvr, its not a utility like 1H wpn, parry is only there to protect yourself once in a while against one opponent wich is TOTALLY worthless EVEN if he gets to hit you, knowing you are wearing epic armor and AF above 500+.

Parry
is
worthless
nuff
said
.

 

[old.Zarko]

50CS
42shield
39parry
6blades

I parry a lot after we patched "tracking spear" is now from Parry and not Evade, that means we got a really nice chain available.

Tracking spear (21) -> Hawks Talon (lvl29) -> Wyvern Talon (lvl39)

Tracking spear alone is a good style, it has Meduim stun and defence bonus, next in chain def. bonus and high bonus to hit. 3rd and last got high bleed and cost allmost nothing. all of em do really nice dam and cost very little compared to Eagle Talon.

I know that style chains is annoying but sometimes it do happen that you stand alone with an enemy tank - then i switch to my "style quickbar" and not to brag own my opponent

 

[old.Aragone]

hmm....

well my spec is 50 lw 42 shield 39 parry and 6 blades and that was how i wanted it to be when i started a long time ago and i still want it to be like that.

39 parry: parry is not nearly as bad as you say it is as long as i move backwards while fighting to keep ppl in front of me i parry alot and my parry seems to have increased alot after patch.

50 lw: you say dont go 50 lw/cs well i can see it in cs, but thats because the lvl 50 style simply sucks but with 50 lw i get Annihilation back positional with very high to hit bonus and a 9 sec stun and at the same time it does insane damage.
and with lw i also get the choice to switch between crush and slash damage as to what is best in the given situation = i will never be set in a situation where i have to use a damage type wich gets a penalty on what i am hitting.

42 shield to get slam and the choise to engage when under attack by more than you could normaly handle or to get a defence towards the pesky archers who try to shoot you thes are also the reson i always have my shield equipted unles in battle.

6 blades to get taunt in pve and to break bubble on mages the only time i use shield is when i am greatly out numbered or on archers and i both cases i will engage and ther for not swing my blade making higer 1-h spec usles to me.

in a normal battle i’ll storm in to take out healers/clerics and mages most of these targets turn their backs to me the moment i get to them in the case of a mage he turns to run but before he does that my fast 1-h has already taken of his bubble and i have switched to lw and my Annihilation lands and will most often kill the mage in 1 hit if it dosnt then my target is still stunned for 9 sec. and my next hit wil surely kill it. healers/clerics in the case of these i will use slam if they are standing casting if running i will use Annihilation and most of them are dead befor the 9 sec are over if not dead on very low hp. also alot of the time the enemy tanks will go for oure mages/healers in this case i sprint to them and once again use Annihilation on them wich gives the mages time to move and kill the target while i move on to the next target in need off Annihilation .

all in all i can be defensive and offensive and have 2 nice stuns to chose from.

puh dont think i ever posted this much befor

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Novamir
parry is gimped in real rvr, and always will be, based on the premises that i said before. (can only stop non styled attacks in front 120 degrees of vision. cant stop bolts or arrows.).

Yes you got a valid point there, but how often do I have a archer shooting arrows on me? And I dont think ive ever been hit by a bolt in RvR, what kills us is the casters with the normal nukes (I dont know much about other classes, but which far as I know cannot be blocked).

Everyone got different playing styles, I play offensive, usually when engaging albs or mids I rush right into the middle slam a caster or healer then kill him, causing havoc amongst them and 99 % of the time you get their tanks stuck on you. Then back off and watch them burn from elf magic.

There is a expression in swedish saying: "Anfall är bästa försvar". I dont know how to translate it to proper english but something like: "Offensive is the best defence".

The few times I need to defend myself from meele I rather relay on high dmg output (thus killing them) instead of blocking a few more hits and have a low dmg output.

There is no real good defence for Hero's except good magic resists and avoid magic.

 

[old.Zarko]

True Wuren

 

[Novamir]

celts > firbys

 

[saltymcpepper]

firbys>celts>>>>elfs .

i have 50cs, 42 shield, 39 parry,6 blades and i like it.
i parry loads now, and i use tracking spear in rvr a lot cos its easy as goblin pie to pull it off with back up style.

 

[Novamir]

well i decided
44 blunt
44 cs
42 shield
13 parry

more points in parry coz i had more left over prolly some autotrain crap

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Wuren
There is a expression in swedish saying: "Anfall är bästa försvar". I dont know how to translate it to proper english but something like: "Offensive is the best defence".

"The best defense is a good offense" is how it runs in english. And a good point. Tanks don't need to kill mages, just occupy as many of the opponents as possible, a hib caster can stun then nuke an opposing caster dead in a few seconds, no BT break required.

Also Nova, definitely a good idea getting crafted weapons. I used a 25% otd on epic and was missing about 40% of hits, with crafted you hardly ever miss (just get evaded / blocked / parried).