Heresy & Artifacts.

[elisera]

I honestly think that ANYONE farming an arti for their template has a hell of a lot more right to it than somone farming it purely for cash, it is these people we condone. If you can solo/duo an arti mob that you need to do then good for you. However there are plenty of other ways to make cash in the game that don't impede some other peoples playing quite so much.

And as for generalising I would prefer if you didn't tar our whole guild with the same brush when so far there have only been 3 members posting including me.

 

[Maff]

Make that 4 Guild members now Elisera

majik you have your view and we have our as most people who reading this can see Very diffrent.

we pay set days each week and so far its worked very well for use and not been to big headed the guilds help out by trying to run ML raids for the realm.
yes we need them as well if you see that as selfish NP i dont mind.
but the next ML run Awarky running even if he dont need it dose that mean we farming the MLs now Hmmmm??

 

[pbaz]

Sorry to stick my nose in to a realm I don't belong in, but I saw my ex-guildies in the title :wub: and got curious...

Isn't there room for both opinions in this discussion?

What I mean is this:

Heresy are totally within their rights to give a public warning that they won't be waiting around for groups to arrive at an arti encounter. If they roll up to an arti and it's up, they will pull it. They won't break the CoC by dragging the mob off you if you've pulled already. But if you're just standing there, you best expect a race to see who pulls it first. They give a justification for this behaviour that I personally would accept as fair (they have highly restricted play-times and they only intend to adopt this 'aggressive' policy until their group has the items they need).

Majii is totally within his rights to suggest that people farming items for cash are not the 'evil' players that Heresy are painting them as. I'm really interested in this discussion, because I've seen the same false logic applied again and again in threads here... Item farmers selling artis (at any price, even stupidly high ones) are doing everyone a favour. The economic logic is very simple - the more copies of an item in the economy, the less valuable it becomes. Therefore, to drive the price of artis as low as possible there should be as many copies of it in-realm as possible. Those people farming artis are doing the whole realm a favour. By asking people not to farm artis so that the encounter is left up for those that 'need' the arti you are actually hurting your own cause. You are asking for a restriction on the number of artis flowing into the economy and you are, therefore, asking for people to keep prices artificially high. This hurts you and it hurts everyone else in your realm.

On a side-note, there must be highly effective ways of making cash in Mid? If you get together for 4 hours twice a week, couldn't you use that time to make a trip to DV and pick up a couple of SoM or Malice scrolls? Certainly in Alb it's not unreasonable for a group to expect to make around 50-100p in scrolls for 4 hours of farming. After a few weeks you'd have farmed enough cash to just buy whatever you need. It might, in the long run, be a faster and easier way of getting what you need. And it also neatly prevents you having any kind of in-realm feuding.

Anyhow, as I said at the outset, not really any of my business. /hugs to Heresy.

 

[Kais]

when BC was active on mid/excal they followed a similar set of 'rules' to the ones set out by awarkle. If you follow these through you are going to get flamed even though you warned people in advance. But if you know that your in the right by the coc when you pull/engage the mob theres no reason you shouldn't follow what you have proposed.

p.s pbaz was right when he said there are better ways to equip your guild than farm each arti individually. Maybe you should consider what he said.

 

[Awarkle]

well the problem is that supply doesnt seem to be lowering the price there are lots of rare artifacts on consignment merchants all for very high prices. Thats the problem im finding if they were being farmed and sold for a realistic price then i wouldnt have a problem.

I was only stating that we would be more agresive in our pulling policy IE if its up and not engaged and i see noone its getting pulled. IF you run in 30 seconds later and say "omg i was camping that" what am i expected to do say "sorry matey and suicide the guild". I do respect people camping mobs " i dont respect being flamed and having someone attack mob while im in combat without being invited."

It might be quicker to adopt the lets go to dv and farm scrolls and then sell too the item farmers. BUt i dont want too they are all keeping the artifact market artificially high. Ill do another count of the cloudsong artifact and when there are 17 on the cms all going for 30 plat then you will see my point in . If you need it fair be, if you need it for money fair be difference being we arnt buying.

I see it that we are a realm and we should help each other out, but some people just seem to be in it to amass 200 plat on each alt they have. Whats going to happen when new people join the server they didnt have access to darkness falls for 9 odd months to amass loads of plats are they going to stay when they cant compete they cant afford or get the artifacts they want ? i know if i was a new player and i looked at the markets i would seriously consider another realm. as it is im staying on midgard excal until im sorted out.

people got their opinions i just think that some people are thinking of their pocket instead of the realm. anyways ill repeat trade or exchange or even offer of rare scrolls but not buying no way.

 

[Leel]

Same, forced me to farm mad tales 3/3 last night, took me only two hours though. 30 plat my ass.

 

[Kais]

well the problem is that supply doesnt seem to be lowering the price there are lots of rare artifacts on consignment merchants all for very high prices. Thats the problem im finding if they were being farmed and sold for a realistic price then i wouldnt have a problem.

your perception of a reasonable price is obviously different to the rest of the servers, no offence intended here but gov is worth 40p+, cs 15p or so, these are the only problem artifacts at present tbh. Consider that danos pops maybe 2-3 times per day, you need a good fg to do this enc unless you have a well organished and experienced set of players there. Most of the time its just ordinary players doing this enc in the hope they win the vest to use/sell. If they win it, whats to stop them selling for 40p+, they might need a scroll for example or a rare drop such as sililas neckie which someone is auctioning currently (maybe one of your guild mates too!) . You are complaining about artifact farmers here, but the economy of a server at present is affected by more than just artifact farmers. Mad tales 3 scroll, people price them for 25p + and they sell, the same can be said about any rare scroll. What you are wanting is an overall price reduction on the server and as much as you believe you can change things you can't. Just accept that items are worth what they are priced, pay that price or get an alternative piece.

It might be quicker to adopt the lets go to dv and farm scrolls and then sell too the item farmers. BUt i dont want too they are all keeping the artifact market artificially high. Ill do another count of the cloudsong artifact and when there are 17 on the cms all going for 30 plat then you will see my point in . If you need it fair be, if you need it for money fair be difference being we arnt buying.

ok then, hf in toa for the next 3 months.

 

[Belgerath]

On a side note of this discussion if you have a Cloudsong cloak (need 3) or a GoV (need 3) pm either me (Recundis) or (Cavewark) in game, if you are looking to sell this not for plat's but need either a scroll or item, and if possible we will farm this for you and do a straight trade. If possible do it asap (due to warky's now very heavy ML schedule) we arnt gonna have alot of free time on our hands

 

[Runolas]

The problem with Arties and scrolls on CM is linked to ppl stocking up those that are in high demand. If they get out on the CM with a decent price someone will buy them up and increase the price to the current level. It's perhaps the easiest way to earn money in the game, but a crap one to the comunity.

As to ppl farming arties for gold to buy other arties...there are still 5 days a week that you can be there alone and tbh there are other ways to get cash aswell.

 

[seeph]

as u might have noticed not many ppl are whining.

mostly our well known troll majik and tbh nm him.

u gave ur statement and told ppl u will follow CoC nothing wrong with that.



p.s there are summ sm out there that actually farm for ppl and not money

we have 1 in guild he farmed CB about 15 times in 3-5 days and gave away 7 for nothing and sold 6 for 1/2 of normal prices.

I Think thats possitive, prices are allready crazy on excal mid as they are

 

[pbaz]

Ill do another count of the cloudsong artifact and when there are 17 on the cms all going for 30 plat then you will see my point

If there really are that many copies of an arti sitting on CM's and 30p is the lowest price, then it's time to do some in-game PMing

I'd PM the house owner and say something like:

"There are 20 Cloudsongs on CM's, all for 30p. Obviously no-one is prepared to buy them for that price. I'd like to offer you (insert reasonable sum here - 15p?) for your CS. Alternatively we can swap it for (insert rare scroll/item you've farmed here)."

If you speak to 20 people, you'll be sure to get one or two prepared to take your offer. Most people that don't know better will price the arti at whatever they see on other CM's. You can't fault them for doing that, but you can give them an opportunity to sell their item for a more reasonable price.

I've found that talking to sellers actually does work. Most people out there aren't utterly unreasonable b'stards.

 

[Dubaxter]

It is easy to spot the ones that are totally unreasonable as they are unguilded and never heard of. ie using a /level 20 or even lvl 1 alt to sell their farmed goods at rediculous prices.

I always do the following and always. /houseloc **** try pm'ing the owner or a shortened version of the owner's name. If no success I then go to www.duskwave.com/daoc and enter the name and search and PM someone who is on in their guild and persist.

 

[majik]

Make that 4 Guild members now Elisera

majik you have your view and we have our as most people who reading this can see Very diffrent.

we pay set days each week and so far its worked very well for use and not been to big headed the guilds help out by trying to run ML raids for the realm.
yes we need them as well if you see that as selfish NP i dont mind.
but the next ML run Awarky running even if he dont need it dose that mean we farming the MLs now Hmmmm??

Yes and there is no reason to flame people because they have a different opinion like Awarkle was doing towards all artifact farmers.