Help to people in need of cash.

[Xandax]

Go kill the mobs that walk all around the realm. (they are also colour-coded so you know what to kill, nice huh)
Pick up the stuff they drop (usually F7 and "g" unless you have altered the setting) .... guess what - it is worth money, if you sell it to NPC merchants - whoah, who ever thought that could happen?????!

I am so sick of beggars - even newly formed guilds run around and beg for money to emblem and what-not.

2 days in a row, I've been bugged by members of one, rather new I think, guild begging for money for the guild emblem.

Beggar: Can I have 100g plz for my emblem (btw - this guy was level 11)
Me: No
Me: another from your guild tried to beg from me yesteday - go earn your money
Beggar: u a lvl 50 guy.

So - yeah - I'm level 50 but I'm guildless and I am sitting crafting - of course money is something I have in abundance.

How come people have become so freeking lazy that they wont even earn their own money? - Where is the fun in getting somebody you don't know to pay for your guild emblem?

When I was level 10ish 5 months ago, there was nobody to beg from, so people earned their money.

BTW - I wont mention the guild here, but will try to figure out who is the GM (proberly the guy that begged yesteday ) and complain to him. But I bet others have been a victim from people from this guild the last 2 days.

 

[Danya]

The other thing people don't realise is, a lot of level 50s are poor. When you're not sitting around grinding xp for hours each day money input is quite low. Charges, con, crafting, keep doors, etc. all chip away at the cash reserve.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by Dannyn
The other thing people don't realise is, a lot of level 50s are poor.

It's all relative. I dislike beggars when it's for something trivial like an emblem or dyes. But try to start a lvl1 char without any twinkage at all, it is very hard as the lvl1-10 loot is terrible and the demands on equipment is very high. For example, try an armsman in Albion. At level 5 you can wear chain, but there is no way to earn enough to buy a full set of chain (or even studded tbh) unless you chain kill greens. You level so quickly from 1-10, that orange armour you bought is obselete in 2hrs /played.

At level 5, 1g is an incredible amount of money and represents hours of mindless chain killing. To even the poorest lvl50, 1g represents 5 mins work.

I found it enormously hard when I started in Albion without any twinkage. My armsman couldnt really take on yellows reliably, as my armour was so poor. The greens/blues in the area dropped very little loot, so I was doomed to kill them for hours to save enough money so I could equip myself to kill the mobs that dropped the nice loot.

 

[old.Atrox]

I agree with chesnor, 1g are not much at lvl50, but it's for a lvl1.
But as soon as I get that "XXX sends: Can I have a few golds ?" they end up on my ignore list,
if some1 asks me for 5s so they can join up with there m8, who started in Atla, then I'll probably give them 5g, and another 5g for their friend ( hope I didnt give any1 any bad idea now ), but the "organized" begging in starter towns/Jordheim/craft areas just piss me off.

 

[Vell]

I will quite happily give people 5 silver for a horseride to join their mates if they are below lvl 5. But any more than that and the answer is no.

I'm sorry - but what is the point in playing the game if it's not going to pose a challenge? If you twink your characters, you remove that challenge, and you remove the fun. Every single one of my characters has earned their own equipment, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Oh, and I was pestered by this guild for emblem money too. You're right - the lvl 11 is the GM, and when i messaged him to ask his guildmates to stop begging, he flamed me for not giving them anything!

/ignore soon followed.

 

[Danya]

Aye chesnor, I was more thinking the level 10s that run around asking for 100g. I rarely give to beggars, as by and large they are pretty rude about how they ask. If people were polite maybe they'd get further.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by Vell
I'm sorry - but what is the point in playing the game if it's not going to pose a challenge? If you twink your characters, you remove that challenge, and you remove the fun. Every single one of my characters has earned their own equipment, I wouldn't have it any other way.

You will have to explain the challenge in killing greens and blues to a poorly eqipped armsman one day, because I don't see any challenge in this whatsoever. The challenge begins when your character is no longer gimped by sub standard equipment. Your attitude, while noble, is short sighted. Do you accept drops from guild mates for example, if the item will improve your character ? Is this not fundamentally the same as helping a n00b character with a loan or some nice armour/weapons such that they aren't at an immediate disadvantage.

This game is a team game, its about realms. Expecting our juniors to 'earn' their position as a high level through repetitively boring hard graft while we march around in fancily dyed armour with glowing weapons is sadistic to say the least. The game becomes a real slog at arounf lvl30+, and by this time most peoples money problems have ended, why not help out people to get to 30 more quickly, after all it is at this point they can give something back to the realm...

And if any muppet asks me for 100 or says "gold plz" I tell em to fo, but when I see people at atla in a mixture of dropped leather/cloth and bronze training weapons, I generally feel pity for thier situation and throw em some coins.

Don't be so tight.

 

[old.Leel]

Yeah, I totally agree. I hate beggars, but still I gave him 5g which is a LOT for a level 11. Then afterwards he came back asking for 100g and I just told him to shut up. Shameless lazy bastards.

 

[Vell]

Originally posted by old.Leel
Yeah, I totally agree. I hate beggars, but still I gave him 5g which is a LOT for a level 11. Then afterwards he came back asking for 100g and I just told him to shut up. Shameless lazy bastards.

And that perfectly highlights why you should not give money to beggars. If you give them money, they start to think that it's socially acceptable to beg, and the situation escalates to a point where everyone starts to beg. By giving out money, you are actually worsening the situation, not improving it.

 

[Vell]

Originally posted by old.chesnor

You will have to explain the challenge in killing greens and blues to a poorly eqipped armsman one day, because I don't see any challenge in this whatsoever. The challenge begins when your character is no longer gimped by sub standard equipment.

<shrug> I did it. So did everyone else. The challenge is not in actually killing the mobs, but in balancing your equipment demands with your cash flow.

Your attitude, while noble, is short sighted.

Is it? I'm short sighted because I understand that while a game and real-life are not one and the same, they are connected, and if people start to believe that they can get something for nothing, the entire economy collapses....

Do you accept drops from guild mates for example, if the item will improve your character ? Is this not fundamentally the same as helping a n00b character with a loan or some nice armour/weapons such that they aren't at an immediate disadvantage.

If I am a relevant level for the piece of equpiment then yes, I will accept it. If I am not, then I don't. As has been stated before, 5gold to a low level is a LOT of money - level 4 is not a relevant level to have 5 gold, and therefore I would refuse it. (And have done, with my alts, when it was offered)

This game is a team game, its about realms. Expecting our juniors to 'earn' their position as a high level through repetitively boring hard graft while we march around in fancily dyed armour with glowing weapons is sadistic to say the least. The game becomes a real slog at arounf lvl30+, and by this time most peoples money problems have ended, why not help out people to get to 30 more quickly, after all it is at this point they can give something back to the realm...

We all earned our place in the realm as respected (well, some of us ) citizens through a lot of hard work. Why should it not be the same for everyone?

 

[old.Krusha]

I almost never give to beggars (unless they ask for like 5s for a horse ride or to buyback con) UNLESS they do it with a twist, like those two Kobbies that robbed ppl outside galp (i think)along time ago (damn cant remmeber the names) .. they stood behind a tree and jumped out and said something like "stop this is a robbery, give us all your money or your life" i couldve walked away but they did it with a nice twist so couldnt refuse and gave them a couple of Gs. But a "Gold plz" or "Buff me" will NEVER work on me.

 

[find]

I agree, if a lowbie asks for 5s for horse ticket i usual give him some gold.. But i dont like the trip through gna to healer for con restoration, where u cant dodge those beggars. Anyway we all know how nice it is to get some gold at low lvl... Money can be such a pain and its nice to be able to lvl as fast as possible IMO.
At lvl 40+ its really no big deal making money, so why not throw a few golds at some lowbies, when u use 5mins making the money they make in like a day.....

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by Vell
Is it? I'm short sighted because I understand that while a game and real-life are not one and the same, they are connected, and if people start to believe that they can get something for nothing, the entire economy collapses....

lol, ruin the economy ROFL.

Get real and don't be so tight. This is a game, it is not real life, and has no parallel with real life. You can't starve to death in this game, you can't be freezing cold at nights because you have no home. You can't sleep under cardboard boxes wrapped in a piss infested blankets in shop doorways.

This is a game with Elves and Dwarves and magic and swords. It is a computer game, thats it.

If you are so tight that you will not give some gold to people who have a genuine need then that is your choice. But please don't justify your stinginess with pathetic "it will ruin the economy" BS please.

 

[old.Tart]

Well yesterday when lvling my new SB, a nice good healer joined us, wont mention names to save his blushes, but considereing he said it was his main character, he played the healer role like a star.

As he progressed through the lvls (he was lvl5 when he joined us) with his help we soon got to lvl 10 at this point i noticed that he was wearing Tattered Leather armour and a Training Shield, becasue he had been lvling with 2 SB who have plentful cash, and have uber equippment for there lvl, he wasnt getting much loot. At lvl 11 I decided to buy him a full set of nice alloy Starskodd studded to help him, and also gave him 20 Gold, he wasnt guilded and also offered for him to join the guild, he said he wanted to see a bit of the realm first and learn a bit more about the community which I have no problem with.

But beggers just get on my nerves, I logged onto my lvl 47 Skald in Gna to move some stuff from my vault, to here n00bs saying, Giss 10 Gold please, Spare Cash Please.

Simple answer is yer I know a bit of gold aint a lot to me, but as said above if you are prepared to scratch my back, i will scratch yours, and like all other people when i started playing this game, there were no lvl 50 peeps around, and we all had to earn our Cash like others. I remember the Guild I was in fighting for every scrap of cash they could, to get the Emblem, but boy when we did it felt a great achievement.

In a simple answer to this post, I will not give to beggers, but if i see a genuine case where people need cash or help, I will do all I can, (allready given away numerous items of lowish lvl chain, low lvl hunter and Skald items to peeps who i just see in need.)

The beggers just make me sick uke:

 

[akula]

last night i was up near DF, and a lvl 9 shaman asked me for a bit of help to hit 10, was slightly tired by then, but had a bit of a joke, and some fun, got the 4 bubs he needed (lvl 41 shammy buffs and heals rock for PLing) in short order, went down to grab him his red bludgeoner from trolki, and I asked how much cash he had, (with the intention of giving him a bit to help him out, as i know from experience it's hard work, as a lo lvl shammy building enough to get good armour) some lvl 45+ had given him 50gs and he'd been given another 38 by various others too, and he told me this quite happily, and that he didn't want any more, which is why i went the extra bit to get him tidy hammer

Hats off to him, it's more than some would do

 

[Vell]

Originally posted by old.chesnor



This is a game, it is not real life, and has no parallel with real life.

Fact: People learn from what they see. Whether they see it in real-life, on the TV, in a comic, or a computer game, is irrelevant. People learn from what they see.

It has been proven that cartoons on TV, such as Tom and Jerry, make children violent. Scientifically Proven. Please explain to me how a computer game is different from a cartoon.

The fact is - yes, this is a game, but it is a game where your actions have direct effects on other real-life people. Call me tight, call me a bitch, I call it a lesson in life. Nothing's free.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by Vell



Fact: People learn from what they see. Whether they see it in real-life, on the TV, in a comic, or a computer game, is irrelevant. People learn from what they see.

It has been proven that cartoons on TV, such as Tom and Jerry, make children violent. Scientifically Proven. Please explain to me how a computer game is different from a cartoon.

The fact is - yes, this is a game, but it is a game where your actions have direct effects on other real-life people. Call me tight, call me a bitch, I call it a lesson in life. Nothing's free.

ROFL.

Ok, I'll ban my kids from watching Tom and Jerry then. I grew up watching Tom and Jerry and frequently batter my wife with frying pans

Understand that computer games are escapism, we play them to escape from real life. It is pointless attempting to transplant real life morals and ethical behaviour into a game like daoc. The purpose of the game is to kill things with dangerous weapons or powerful spells. Death is this games business.

You cannot apply an ethical behaviour to one aspect of the game ("beggars suck irl, you have to earn your living irl, therefore I shall give beggars nothing!") then port magically to Emain and go batter someone around with a giant 2h hammer. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not personally attacking you, it just amuses me when people selectively decide that irl ethics and codes should apply to certain aspects of the game, when clearly irl and daoc are incompatible. This is a roleplaying game, if you want to rp a medieval Scrooge, be my guest, but don't kid yourself that you do it because begging is socially unnaceptable irl. Do it because you are a bad tempered Norseman (or dorf) who depises beggars in daoc.

 

[Tranquil-]

Chesnor all the way on this one..
Vell, people who are violent is not violent PURELY because they watched Tom and Jerry, something else has made an impact on them.

 

[Nattrún]

Yeah, but...

... how about giving away items?

I've done this a few times - given away items I no longer need to people I see who're obviously using store-bought items and having a hard time with mobs; the last time, I gave away Klippor and Firesteel to a poor level 10 Warrior(I think) who didn't even ask for anything.

Giving away items(when I have them) to people who obviously need them but don't make a pest of themselves makes me feel good: the gratitude makes it seem like, y'know, I'm really helping out a realm-mate in need.

I will, however, happily ignore beggars. Why? Because people who come up to another person and ask for more than they could possibly need at that level likely have a higher-level alt and can't be arsed to transfer money from their main. When I was around the single-digit levels, the thought of actually having a whole gold piece seemed a thrilling prospect; something I looked forward to. That said, of course, I may help people out with some silver for a horse-ride and such.

But in all: give items, not money. Make people go out and kill mobs for their loot and get money. It's much more rewarding.

Gods, I'm being incoherent. Never mind.

--
Nattrún Bergsveinsdóttir: Skald of 3x seasons
<Fellowship of Midgard>

 

[hellraisermk2]

Beggers annoy me a heck of alot. Some of them just seem to log on to beg with macros set to ask for gold. I've never given to a begger and never will.

On the other hand, any items I no longer require I usually just give away to the first char I see that could make use of them (only if no one in the guild can make use of them). It's better than having a vault full of magical items that are no use to me anymore.

To me this is the same with crafting too. I've yet to charge anyone below lvl 20 for a full set of armour. They get some decent armour that will last them for quite some time and hopefully help them level a little quicker. I loose a few gold and a few mins of time, for what I see as an investment in the realm (low char has more fun and doesn't feel so alienated by other realm members). On the flip side of this I've come across some crafters who just refused to take a few seconds of their time to make low level armour or swords. I hit this problem when my alt was at level 10. I asked a 900+ weaponsmith if he could craft me a decent sword and simply got told "I don't do those low levels anymore." A little moan their yes, but I was under the impression that as a realm it's good to help eachother out regardless of level. It would have taken only a minute or two of his time and payment would have been made fair and square (even to cover costs of any wastage materials).

Also, I've given alot of gold out in my time, but never to anyone whose asked. If I see a low level char around, I don't hesitate to pass on 10-20g as I remember how hard it was for me at that level in regards to armour and weapons. I would have liked some financial help myself between 1- 15 as it was a darned hard slog. The first time my main char ever saw 1g was around level 10 and that was all earned by myself. I would not have turned down anyones kind offer of a few gold, though I would NEVER go out and ask for money from other people.

All in all, my stance is Beggers: NO Realm Members/ Polite players: YES

 

[sorusi]

Give them 10g and ask them to dance a bit for you or something

 

[Xandax]

Why do so many people not see 1g before level 10? - think all my chars have 1g at about level 5-6, and 3-4g at level 10.
Of course I don't buy armour untill level 5, and again at level 10 - but I buy weapons when I need it (usually level 3, 6 and around 10).

It is not like it is difficult to get moeny at lowlevel imo. (and the possibility to stack items makes it even easier)

It is at level 15-30 the problem for money occur, with the high propotional jump in prices from steel to alloy. And it is usually at around that level Midgard class "graduates" to chain armour and need to start switing that cheaper studded armour out.