Help me to improve this caster template

eSo

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there are things that are a must in a temp, like 10% cast speed or even having boz and for a eld 25/25 debuff bonus and sepll duration is a must.

would you use a druid temp with no healing bonus?

25% debuff and 25% spell dur maybe musthaves for you, but prefer getting some other shizzle before those. Those depends a bit of your spec aswell and what kind of setup you run etc etc. Once again - templates are personal.

It is impossible to get a temp with 101 dex/int, 75+ con, 300+ hp, 20%+ resists, 25% spell dur/debuff bonus, 50 AF, 10% damage/cast speed/range/piercing PLUS the toys you want (Zo and shizzle). You just have to take your pick, like in a candy shopzor!

EDIT: BUT back to the point: how do you like the 2nd version with BoZ and CB? (besides not having AF or spell dur/debuff bonus) Any ideas for item swaps etc to max resists, hp or con or something?
 

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25% debuff and 25% spell dur maybe musthaves for you, but prefer getting some other shizzle before those. Those depends a bit of your spec aswell and what kind of setup you run etc etc. Once again - templates are personal.

It is impossible to get a temp with 101 dex/int, 75+ con, 300+ hp, 20%+ resists, 25% spell dur/debuff bonus, 50 AF, 10% damage/cast speed/range/piercing PLUS the toys you want (Zo and shizzle). You just have to take your pick, like in a candy shopzor!

EDIT: BUT back to the point: how do you like the 2nd version with BoZ and CB? (besides not having AF or spell dur/debuff bonus) Any ideas for item swaps etc to max resists, hp or con or something?

Looking quite nice :) has alot of nice survival toys now.
 

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there are things that are a must in a temp, like 10% cast speed or even having boz and for a eld 25/25 debuff bonus and sepll duration is a must.

would you use a druid temp with no healing bonus?


Hey if you want to gimp your template for bonuses that quite simply arent needed and are wasted utility be my guest.
 

Rauno

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dunno why im helping but there you go, you can get rogs like that by farming talos.

Stats
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STR: 0 / 75 INT: 105 / 101 (+26) Hits: 336 / 340 (+140) AF: 0 /
50
CON: 86 / 90 (+15) PIE: 0 / 75 End: 0 / 25
DEX: 103 / 101 (+26) EMP: 0 / 75 Pow: 0 / 26
QUI: 0 / 75 CHA: 0 / 75 %PP: 23% / 25%

Resists
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Body: 25 / 26 Energy: 27 / 26 (+5) Crush: 29 / 26 (+5)
Cold: 25 / 26 Matter: 24 / 26 Slash: 25 / 26
Heat: 25 / 26 Spirit: 28 / 26 Thrust: 25 / 26
Essence: 0 / 26

Skills
------------------------------------------------------------------------
11 / 11 All Magic Skills
11 / 11 Light
11 / 11 Mana
11 / 11 Void

Other Bonuses
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11 / 10 Archery and Casting Speed
10 / 10 Archery and Spell Damage
13 / 10 Archery and Spell Range
25 / 25 Duration of Spells
10 / 10 Spell Piercing
21 / 25 Stat Debuff Effectiveness

Piece Listing
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Chest
Name: Galla vest
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 2 Thrust Resist
Slot 2: 2 Crush Resist
Slot 3: 2 Slash Resist
Slot 4: 50 Hits
Slot 5: 24 Constitution
Slot 6: 24 Acuity
Slot 7: 4 All Magic Skills
Slot 8: 4 Spell Range
Slot 9: 4 Spell Damage
Slot 10: 6 Constitution Cap Increase
Utility: 76.5


Arms
Name: Crafted Item142
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 Overcharge: 5
Gem 1: 28 Dexterity - Perfect Vapor Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 7 Body Resist - Imperfect Dusty Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 7 Cold Resist - Imperfect Icy Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 7 Heat Resist - Imperfect Heated Shielding Jewel
Utility: 60.7 SC Cost: 41g 78s 80c SC Price: 62g 68s 20c


Head
Name: Cloth Cap
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 30 Hits
Slot 2: 10 Acuity Cap Increase
Slot 3: 10 Dexterity Cap Increase
Slot 4: 3 Heat Resist
Slot 5: 3 Cold Resist
Slot 6: 3 Matter Resist
Slot 7: 3 Body Resist
Slot 8: 3 Energy Resist
Slot 9: 3 Spirit Resist
Slot 10: 5 Spell Piercing
Utility: 43.5


Legs
Name: Crafted Item143
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 Overcharge: 5
Gem 1: 9 Thrust Resist - Polished Airy Shielding Jewel
Gem 2: 76 Hits - Perfect Blood Essence Jewel
Gem 3: 9 Energy Resist - Polished Light Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 3 Crush Resist - Rough Fiery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 61.0 SC Cost: 47g 94s 40c SC Price: 71g 91s 60c


Hands
Name: Maddening Scalars (Artifact)
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 6 % Power Pool
Slot 2: 3 Casting Speed
Slot 3: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Slot 4: 40 Hits
Slot 5: 5 Acuity Cap Increase
Slot 6: 15 Acuity
Slot 7: 15 Dexterity
Utility: 30.0


Feet
Name: Crafted Item145
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 36.0 of 32 Overcharge: 4
Gem 1: 11 Slash Resist - Faceted Watery Shielding Jewel
Gem 2: 9 Crush Resist - Polished Fiery Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 5 Body Resist - Flawed Dusty Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 5 Matter Resist - Flawed Earthen Shielding Jewel
Utility: 60.0 SC Cost: 25g 8s 0c SC Price: 37g 62s 0c


2 Handed
Name: cw
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 6 Dexterity
Slot 2: 3 All Magic Skills
Slot 3: 6 Dexterity Cap Increase
Slot 4: 6 Acuity Cap Increase
Slot 5: 4 Casting Speed
Slot 6: 6 % Power Pool
Slot 7: 4 Spell Damage
Utility: 19.0


Spare
Name: Drop Item38
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 5 Duration of Spells
Slot 2: 5 % Power Pool
Slot 3: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 0.0


Neck
Name: Medal of Honour
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 5 Heat Resist
Slot 2: 5 Cold Resist
Slot 3: 5 Body Resist
Slot 4: 5 Energy Resist
Slot 5: 5 Matter Resist
Slot 6: 5 Spirit Resist
Slot 7: 5 Crush Resist
Slot 8: 5 Slash Resist
Slot 9: 5 Thrust Resist
Utility: 90.0


Cloak
Name: Cloak of Heavenly Bodies
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 10 Duration of Spells
Slot 2: 6 Stat Debuff Effectiveness
Slot 3: 2 Casting Speed
Slot 4: 18 Acuity
Slot 6: 18 Dexterity
Utility: 24.0


Jewel
Name: Eriny's Charm (Artifact)
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 40 Hits
Slot 2: 15 Intelligence
Slot 3: 15 Constitution
Slot 4: 5 Crush Resist
Slot 5: 5 Spirit Resist
Slot 6: 5 Energy Resist
Slot 7: 5 Spell Range
Slot 8: 5 Spell Piercing
Utility: 60.0


Belt
Name: rog con
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 25 Constitution
Slot 2: 15 Stat Debuff Effectiveness
Slot 3: 9 Constitution Cap Increase
Slot 4: 10 Duration of Spells
Utility: 16.7


Left Ring
Name: Chronomancer
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 4 All Magic Skills
Slot 2: 7 Slash Resist
Slot 3: 9 Thrust Resist
Slot 4: 21 Dexterity
Slot 5: 2 Casting Speed
Utility: 66.0


Right Ring
Name: Ring of the Azure
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 15 Dexterity
Slot 2: 4 Cold Resist
Slot 3: 4 Heat Resist
Slot 4: 4 Spirit Resist
Slot 5: 50 Hits
Slot 6: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Slot 7: 5 Acuity Cap Increase
Slot 8: 50 Hits Cap Increase
Slot 9: 15 Acuity
Slot 10: 2 Spell Damage
Utility: 56.5


Left Wrist
Name: Bracelet of Zo'arkat (Artifact)
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 18 Acuity
Slot 2: 5 Matter Resist
Slot 3: 5 Body Resist
Slot 4: 5 Spirit Resist
Slot 5: 4 Spell Range
Slot 6: 6 % Power Pool
Utility: 42.0


Right Wrist
Name: Bracelet of Springtime Folly
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 22 Constitution
Slot 2: 6 Cold Resist
Slot 3: 6 Matter Resist
Slot 4: 6 Spirit Resist
Slot 5: 50 Hits
Slot 6: 6 Heat Resist
Slot 7: 50 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 75.2
 

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@ rauno


Belt
Name: rog con
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 25 Constitution
Slot 2: 15 Stat Debuff Effectiveness
Slot 3: 9 Constitution Cap Increase
Slot 4: 10 Duration of Spells
Utility: 16.7


howd dya like to sell that old belt there buddy ;)








for eso
boz is a must have for use2 (wether grp or solo) it says 25percent but any1 who uses it reguarly know its alot higher chance to make enemys fumble

i even know enemy light tanks that are so annoyed at the power of zo use2 they save purge 1 for it




for solo/duo i tink the ml10 template is really nice

but for fg u really shud focus on 25debuff/25duration over the nice uses of the ml10 stuff





as rauno said u farm talos for the brilliant debuff and duration rogs but now that eu is patched to 1.1 its made been made near impossible 'without' a talos crystal (not available since last patch)


my 2 cents :cheers:
 

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@ rauno


Belt
Name: rog con
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Slot 1: 25 Constitution
Slot 2: 15 Stat Debuff Effectiveness
Slot 3: 9 Constitution Cap Increase
Slot 4: 10 Duration of Spells
Utility: 16.7


howd dya like to sell that old belt there buddy ;)








for eso
boz is a must have for use2 (wether grp or solo) it says 25percent but any1 who uses it reguarly know its alot higher chance to make enemys fumble

i even know enemy light tanks that are so annoyed at the power of zo use2 they save purge 1 for it




for solo/duo i tink the ml10 template is really nice

but for fg u really shud focus on 25debuff/25duration over the nice uses of the ml10 stuff





as rauno said u farm talos for the brilliant debuff and duration rogs but now that eu is patched to 1.1 its made been made near impossible 'without' a talos crystal (not available since last patch)


my 2 cents :cheers:

Disagree still, and i'll even go through the trouble of farming 25% debuff bonus and duration bonus to show the boys and girls at home why its a waste.

Update soon.
 

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@Rauno

No Coz or not even CTR. But I guess for ppl who doesn't want Mana Tether or 4% extra damage reduction that temp could be OK.

@Statued
There's BoZ in the 2nd version incase you missed it.

And I've ran in a full group like 3 times in the last 6 months. Better RP's when solo/duo/trio :)
 

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Survival toys trump anything on ywain, people can argue as much as they want about "My positioning being perfect I don't need it!" you get added on like hell on ywain left right and centre not to mention the zergs, i'd rather have survival toys for that reason alone, how good your group is is complete irrelevant in that situation because a million and one things could factor into you being insta gibbed by adders due to not having a life saving toy.
 

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Survival toys trump anything on ywain,

i'd rather have survival toys for that reason alone, how good your group is is complete irrelevant in that situation because a million and one things could factor into you being insta gibbed by adders due to not having a life saving toy.



i completley disagree.

ur talking about building a template around how u need to survive odd situations whilst hoping u got one of ur cool survivability charges are up

rather then building a template over wat u KNOW ur going to be doing 24/7
 

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i completley disagree.

ur talking about building a template around how u need to survive odd situations whilst hoping u got one of ur cool survivability charges are up

rather then building a template over wat u KNOW ur going to be doing 24/7

Look at toys like a condom... i'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one. Where as debuff bonus adds such a minute bonus to debuffs its not even worth it, as is duration.
 

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Look at toys like a condom... i'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one. Where as debuff bonus adds such a minute bonus to debuffs its not even worth it, as is duration.


no offense then. u have no clue
 

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no offense then. u have no clue

Possibly the worse come back i've ever heard or read in this case.

Humor us brain box god of eldritches, how much does debuff bonus add to your debuffs? value wise? or do you not even know? you've probably read on VN boards that its amazing and believed it from the offset, i've tried it and tested it in duels and its fucking shit compared to what you can have in its place.
 

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Survival toys trump anything on ywain, people can argue as much as they want about "My positioning being perfect I don't need it!" you get added on like hell on ywain left right and centre not to mention the zergs, i'd rather have survival toys for that reason alone, how good your group is is complete irrelevant in that situation because a million and one things could factor into you being insta gibbed by adders due to not having a life saving toy.

the best survival toys you have are your stat debuffs and boz, blue aoe s/c, red aoe d/q, red dex, red str and with boz aoe fumble stacking(yes it stacks) and chanters haste debuff you make any tank train deal minimal amount of damage untill they get CCed+slammed and assist nuked down

now the spell duration not only makes all your timed spells like stat debuffs,stun,mezz last longer your MOC will last 25% longer aswell and thats huge

the 25% spell duration on chanters resist debuffs for example means eld and chanter can do 1-2 extra nuke before the debuff wears out and that can mean win or loose in a fg vs fg fight.

so your willing to loose all that for what, self demez charge?
 

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ow ye and boz fumble debuff will last 25% longer! and all item charges actually!
 

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ith

PURPLE s/c DEBUFF with25debuff = 67.5 strnght debuff

BLUE s/c DEBUFF with 25debuff =60strnght debuff


that means using BOTH those debuffs (which are on seperate timers) u are basically removing a tanks stats he's been given through buffbot strnght and s/c

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now lets see ur saying

being able to take 127strnght FROM a tank EVERY FIVE SECONDS is pointless, then yes. u are clueless

then if u add factor of a druid (which every druid with a brain in this game does) shearing s/c and base strnght from the tank aswell will give a total of -227strnght debuff from an enemy tank




and thats just strnght debuff
 

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the best survival toys you have are your stat debuffs and boz, blue aoe s/c, red aoe d/q, red dex, red str and with boz aoe fumble stacking(yes it stacks) and chanters haste debuff you make any tank train deal minimal amount of damage untill they get CCed+slammed and assist nuked down

now the spell duration not only makes all your timed spells like stat debuffs,stun,mezz last longer your MOC will last 25% longer aswell and thats huge

the 25% spell duration on chanters resist debuffs for example means eld and chanter can do 1-2 extra nuke before the debuff wears out and that can mean win or loose in a fg vs fg fight.

so your willing to loose all that for what, self demez charge?

we're not talking about chanter debuffs here tho are we, we're talking about elds like you said "to have these stats is a must for elds"

if debuff bonus added -50+ to peoples stats it'd be all fine and dandy to lose toys over but it doesnt, 25% debuff bonus gives -20-23 maximum to your dex debuffs which isn't worth what you lose over it.

By all means if you want to run it then run it, have fun being gibbed by adds.
 

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Both sides have good points.

I don't personally rely on items with charges, but they are a good bonus and some of them really are lifesavers (CoZ+CTR combo ftw, as BoZ like some of you stated). All is relative.

Also good debuff and spell dur bonus might be a good idea IF you run only fg's and certain setups. Other than that, I wouldn't go there. IMO that is. As I said in the beginning I mostly solo/duo or run minigroups and fight small fights.

There is no one best ultimate template, there are different opinions and likings. Get what you want in your template and go have fun. That's what the game is all about.
 

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Both sides have good points.

I don't personally rely on items with charges, but they are a good bonus and some of them really are lifesavers (CoZ+CTR combo ftw, as BoZ like some of you stated). All is relative.

Also good debuff and spell dur bonus might be a good idea IF you run only fg's and certain setups. Other than that, I wouldn't go there. IMO that is. As I said in the beginning I mostly solo/duo or run minigroups and fight small fights.

There is no one best ultimate template, there are different opinions and likings. Get what you want in your template and go have fun. That's what the game is all about.

Agree I can eat humble pie and say each to their own, but I will stand by a downside i'll point out about templating duration/debuff bonus (and this was the mistake I made with my sorc) your making a template around dyvet and respectful none adding fights, and this isn't dyvet and you won't find respecful none adding fights here. its totally different on ywain.
 

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Nice...

Well for me its extremly nice now. If there were anything more to wish for it might be Atlantis Tablet instead of Eranis, but then again im not sure the crock morf makes that much difference on Ywain with such a huge playerbase.

Im seriously looking to se if I can switch to it.

Thanks!:)

/Charmangle
 

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