Help for albs :)

[samildanachh]

Originally posted by Hatt
After reading your whine for like 3 months i feel a bit sorry for you.
so here is your new fotm group. Based on my own experiences

2 Clerics, 1 pala, 1 mincer, 1 sorc , 2-3mercs , 0-1 arms.

try mez.
Use DEBUFF. (=win)
Hmm.. paladin.. GUARDS clerics / sorc... mm and.. slam enemy support if you got chance (otherwise mincer stuns).. Don't attack, paladins are pretty useless :/.
mercs use SNARE styles or try get pf off on enemy support.
Sos if you get bad start,,
Clerics heals ofc. Dont.. stun.. tanks.

and yea.. good luck

no
paladin has to attack with tanks or they go ooe as end chant has short range.
how can we mez when mids have insta aoe stun etc.
just a varitey of things which means mids will allways beat alb grps if they are of same ability.

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by Whisperess
And still it's a rare sight, why?

because some retarded albs prefer to play their gimped r8 caster then reroll xD

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by Whisperess
And still it's a rare sight, why?

u never seen all the random albs? they just want a grp, and gogo.

more often than not, they end up with a mix of an unbalanced grp and players uncapable of assisting. it has both a downside and upside tho.

downside: u generally stand to lose a fair fight (fair with regards to numbers) - ie, u often team up with others.

upside: albion actually allows ppl of all classes and specs to do rvr with little trouble in getting grp´s. as opposed to certain classes in especially mid.

effects of this however lead to other things, like zerging, so if u analyse things further, the up and downside might not be so simple any more (the upside here has a downside of zerging for instance, ie, is it really an upside or downside in the end) - but I guess it partly depends on how each individual wants to play the game.


with regards to the savage grp - yeah it can be beaten, but it almost always requires certain ra´s to be up - ie. we need ra´s to be competative. something that albions team leader HAS notified as a "problem". theres a thin line to balance on tho, cause if albs all of a sudden dont need them to be competative... they are gonna be a helluva lot stronger than they are now, and alb ra´s would be set for a nerf.

I´m not sure the whole prob lies just with the savages. it seems to me that it more lies with the fact that mid has a lot of good capabilities on rvr, packed in a few classes, which all are very good on rvr, even without some of the abilities they have. therefore, a grp can be awfully scary, not just casue the savage is a fast killer, but also cause the grp is capable of slowing down the enemies kill capability a lot (massive healing capability, root, mezz, stun, disease, etc).



anyways, who really cares, just stop all the whining, kill em, and get it over with

 

[Tualatin]

Albs aren't chanceless...

When SoS is up,
When BoF is up,
When the tanks have determination.

This mainly decides for us in RvR wether we win or not. Since we can hardly compete vs insta CC's. But when SoS / BoF are up, chances change.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by gwal
upside: albion actually allows ppl of all classes and specs to do rvr with little trouble in getting grp´s. as opposed to certain classes in especially mid.

heh heh maybe not for long from what mythic and the midgard rvr tl are saying thats gonna change for mids

could be they boost the other classes or could be they just nerf the zerkers / savages / warriors / skalds / shamans / healers into the ground so it really makes no difference what class mid picks for rvr

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by gwal
anyways, who really cares, just stop all the whining, kill em, and get it over with

Ps. v. good post

 

[AbPoon]

HI HATTS

 

[jakobi]

BF just gotta be ones favorites.

I do think savages should be looked at though (plz dont take my determination :>)

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by Pandemic
heh heh maybe not for long from what mythic and the midgard rvr tl are saying thats gonna change for mids

could be they boost the other classes or could be they just nerf the zerkers / savages / warriors / skalds / shamans / healers into the ground so it really makes no difference what class mid picks for rvr

oh yeah, sorry, forgot about that, have red a bit about that. and yeah, it might (hopefully - for those who have certain unwanted classes which they love to play) provide some more variety.

I dont hope its gonna be an all out nerf tho, but I guess its a thin line.

 

[Rollie]

i dont even know why mids even start these threads, i play mid when i get time and basically, no alb tank group stands a chance vs a middy savage group, BoF just delays death. Hibs are in a much better position than albs.

 

[Pandemic]

mmm i've definetly been beaten by BF before quite a bit and i think GOL to those grps with at least 2 correctly specced clerics in are tough to beat

 

[- Fedaykin -]

what the fuck is a savage?

 

[gwal]

albs can win, it can be very hard, but we can win.

the - oh how alb suck, lets just pack it up and prepare to suicide - attitude aint gonna win u nothing tho.....

 

[NP_Finster]

Try using 3 clerics. Works wonders as well. But then again no one rolls support. Especially when you have to rely on inadequate groups to keep you alive.
In my humble opinion 3 spread heal casters makes the Mid groups much more deadly than the dreaded Savages. Well, support is doomed to be overlooked while tanks race for the l33test screenies.

Finster

 

[Rollie]

main problem with albion is most of the "main" support classes are semi damage dealers unlike middy/hibby whose support are pure support ie bards/healers etc.

Albs can win, its just very hard for them, BF were very good and i gotta give credit to krane who was very impressive keeping support busy.

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by NP_Finster
Try using 3 clerics. Works wonders as well. But then again no one rolls support. Especially when you have to rely on inadequate groups to keep you alive.
In my humble opinion 3 spread heal casters makes the Mid groups much more deadly than the dreaded Savages. Well, support is doomed to be overlooked while tanks race for the l33test screenies.

Finster

tried it a couple of times, works quite well

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by NP_Finster
Try using 3 clerics. Works wonders as well. But then again no one rolls support. Especially when you have to rely on inadequate groups to keep you alive.
In my humble opinion 3 spread heal casters makes the Mid groups much more deadly than the dreaded Savages. Well, support is doomed to be overlooked while tanks race for the l33test screenies.

Finster

can work, but adding in a s/s paladin a mincer and a sorc means that your left with 2 good dmg dealers. Yes, you CAN win with this set up but it takes ages. In emain, normally you'll either get ads or the Alb zerg will "rescue" you before the fight is through. It's not just the spread heals but the constant rezzing. This set up can work well vs hibs too, but again takes years to finish a fight.

We also tried dropping our sorc/theurg spot for another cleric or another tank. This is really not advisable.

Basically mid has a spread healer who happens to be main mezzer/interupter/... our spread healers have very little addional utility.

 

[Zoldot]

It's pretty funny sometimes to read the whine from some ppl when they talking about alb vs mid, they say we need all ra to standa chance vs mid, but infact they counting in mid ra's aswell
like mid healers got PR so its very hard to killl the shammy first then they just PR him etc.
and like if they mezz, healer purge an insta stun then mezz. then healer again used RA .
Maybe not in this thread there was any of those posts but there certanly have been

 

[gwal]

heh, ye, been a lot of that

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by NP_Finster
In my humble opinion 3 spread heal casters makes the Mid groups much more deadly than the dreaded Savages.

agreed. us mend-healers turn the tide of battle

 

[froler-mid]

IMO thx Hatts for teh tip!

 

[Hatt]

Originally posted by Aussie-
Oh really hatt? is that really so? we didnt know that, this is the first time someone suggested that group

just pointing it out for you.

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

tbh whats funnier (or more depressing) is all the tools mid has they never needed to use as their playing game in easy mode ;o


how long has it taken mid to start commonly spaming ae disease?

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by Whisperess
You seriously need to get some clues about the game.

And your the voice of wisdom. Gimme a fuckin break.

All i'll say is this.....i've never given up a fight once in my year+ of DAoC. Never wanted any bullshit to win. Always looked to win fair and square. Every time i've gotten owned either solo or in group i'd always be released and ready to go back for another try against ANYONE.

I see savage spam from JH or NP now i log or play an alt along with alot of other hibs. Plain and simple. /FU mythic and deny more mids. When are you gonna learn that winning doesn't mean shit atm for mid if there is a savage in the same zone. Doesn't that mean anything to you? Do you honestly think that everyone who isn't a mid is just a clueless whiner with no real justification to have an attitude?

Mythic are fuckin up the game and you retarded feckers in mid are helping em by never admitting that for instance that i can't recall EVER being attacked by a buffed savage and NOT getting quad hit at least once. Quad hit's ain't rare, there the norm.

I can see one of 2 things happening. Either mythic will do fuckall and everyone who aint a mid will give up. Or mythic will, because you've given them no real feedback and at times downright lied on how strong savage is in RvR, take a wild guess and fuck em up forever. Just like Zerker/SZ.

PS Give more savage RR ding threads imo. I fuckin cry laughing when i read them and ONLY mid people grat them. "we're great <chirp> <chirp> chirp>".

Later.
B.

 

[Antedeluvian]

Originally posted by Pandemic
carry on as u are and target the warrior first.

Wrong, there are not warriors almost, chose btw a warrior and another savage is like chose btw a proper mind sorc and a matter sorc. The FOTM is strong in Midgard, well, at least there are few who didn't rolled a fucking overpowered savage and still playing a good balanced class (but only few).

 

[parzi]

hehe please more "savage do 1k+ dmg every 1,5sec and are immortal"-style posts, starting to get funny

 

[Antedeluvian]

Originally posted by parzi
hehe please more "savage do 1k+ dmg every 1,5sec and are immortal"-style posts, starting to get funny

You posted some good ideas to balance the class Parzi, but, how much of ur FOTM savage mateis did agreed whit u? i'll say u the answerd: zero, noone, cero, niente, rian, 0.
Midgard medium fotm dont want balance, they just want still 2-shooting pple using anytime styles, we saw whit the zerkergs LA bug and we see now whit the overpowered savage class, the fact that even VERY HIGH RR zerkers left their main to play a savage is only another proof that lot of pple in Midgard only want to play in begginer mode. At least as i said, there are few real players that still playing balanced classes in Midgard, i really feel sad for the warriors, zerkers and all mage classes in general in Midgard (btw give love to thanes ASAP)

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Antedeluvian
You posted some good ideas to balance the class Parzi, but, how much of ur FOTM savage mateis did agreed whit u? i'll say u the answerd: zero, noone, cero, niente, rian, 0.

Dunno how many times I have to write and suggest the exact same suggestions before it counts as above zero.

It would change things to the better - maybe not perfect, but it would be a very good start.

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Begach
And your the voice of wisdom.

Never claimed to be - but stating as donttouchpoopy did that savages do 1000 dmg on average per round in comparison to mercs 200-300 is just plain idiotic.

 

[ilienwyn]

Originally posted by Whisperess
Never claimed to be - but stating as donttouchpoopy did that savages do 1000 dmg on average per round in comparison to mercs 200-300 is just plain idiotic.

I agree but also denying the fact that savages are overpowered and saying they are balanced like some people is idiotic as well, isn't it?