Hello and a Q
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Icebreaker
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I have no answer for your Question but Marc Jacobs said Stealther are Griefers so you should play somethingelse! 
Aran Thule
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they removed most of the benifits that pierce had, so most are now on the malice blade bandwagon.
gohan
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better damage v mid stealthers better v infs damage wise easier templates
malice main hand
battler on back (i know u can have as pierce but as slash u can use it for reaplying poisens)
an genraly blades look betters an we all know mmo's are 5% gear 5% skill 90% looks
malice main hand
battler on back (i know u can have as pierce but as slash u can use it for reaplying poisens)
an genraly blades look betters an we all know mmo's are 5% gear 5% skill 90% looks
Xrystofer said:
Not sure, if those buff durations come live they have been talking about, i might have to respec out of pierce again, because malice > everything already, so when you are gonna run into everyone with resist buffs, then LWs will be less effective and then it is really a waste to be pierce.
Hmm...
Blades are nice yes no doubt about that, easier temps, a larger advantage on the resist tables VS. stealthers, malice proc (Should you intend to use Malice which the vast majority does.).
Although pierce has some advantages that hasn't been mentioned. Of course pierce has resist table advantages aswell (chain ect.) but as a shade I'm not sure your most common adversary would be chain wearers. With the 1.85 patch the diamondback advantage is gone (although at the present moment it's still existing.) and even though you might be an experienced strafer icestorm is not always a reliable tool especially against a skilled opponent, and on top of that he/she might have Garrote
. Pierce also has acces to BMF (4.3 speed). Although I'm well aware that shades can't use it so this point might not answer your question. Since shades only has acces to Elf and Luri they will always have a natural higher dex than str. So should you make a asy 99 / 99 dex / str temp your final weaponskill should still outmatch any blades temp with 101 str. As mentioned earlier it will still hurt your overall template utility in the end. (But maybe a larger frontload is worth the lower resists / hits as an assasin? Might be worth taking into consideration).
For now leggies as pierce would still seem like the way to go if your experienced enough to know how to deal with weaponswapping. Only being able to apply poisons with 3 weapons (Those equipped) is a serious disadvantage should your opponent be so rude to have purge =P.
Try reading up on some of the various discussions there is it might help you decide on a more appropriate basic.
Blades are nice yes no doubt about that, easier temps, a larger advantage on the resist tables VS. stealthers, malice proc (Should you intend to use Malice which the vast majority does.).
Although pierce has some advantages that hasn't been mentioned. Of course pierce has resist table advantages aswell (chain ect.) but as a shade I'm not sure your most common adversary would be chain wearers. With the 1.85 patch the diamondback advantage is gone (although at the present moment it's still existing.) and even though you might be an experienced strafer icestorm is not always a reliable tool especially against a skilled opponent, and on top of that he/she might have Garrote
. Pierce also has acces to BMF (4.3 speed). Although I'm well aware that shades can't use it so this point might not answer your question. Since shades only has acces to Elf and Luri they will always have a natural higher dex than str. So should you make a asy 99 / 99 dex / str temp your final weaponskill should still outmatch any blades temp with 101 str. As mentioned earlier it will still hurt your overall template utility in the end. (But maybe a larger frontload is worth the lower resists / hits as an assasin? Might be worth taking into consideration).For now leggies as pierce would still seem like the way to go if your experienced enough to know how to deal with weaponswapping. Only being able to apply poisons with 3 weapons (Those equipped) is a serious disadvantage should your opponent be so rude to have purge =P.
Try reading up on some of the various discussions there is it might help you decide on a more appropriate basic.
Punishment
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Blades Still is the best way to go tbh
I've been Blades on my shade from day 1 even when Pierce has suppossedly better damage ... Its a pity the way the game is going tho ... all tanks/assasins nowadays have the what seems to be generic malice+champ combo ... oh well thank u developers for your lack of foresight :-(
I've been Blades on my shade from day 1 even when Pierce has suppossedly better damage ... Its a pity the way the game is going tho ... all tanks/assasins nowadays have the what seems to be generic malice+champ combo ... oh well thank u developers for your lack of foresight :-(
Punishment said:Blades Still is the best way to go tbh
I've been Blades on my shade from day 1 even when Pierce has suppossedly better damage ... Its a pity the way the game is going tho ... all tanks/assasins nowadays have the what seems to be generic malice+champ combo ... oh well thank u developers for your lack of foresight :-(
The whole argument in the past however was whenever blades would be worth the lower weaponskill for the malice proc though.
Xrystofer
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ye but with str3 my bladeshade had 340 str but when i respeced pierce dex1 and my shade had 395 dex oOanioal said:
tho u are right u will need 30 points to achieve the same thing with blade(weapon skill) but hey luwis got a lot more dex than str ,my luwi have 65str base and 135base dex 90 stats points different
if luwi had same dex/str and u blade and u have str2 to get the same weapon skill with pierce u will need str2 dex2 but ns got 90 points stats different from str to dex i think pierce worth ...atleast for the low rr that cannot aford aug str 4-5
Shike said:
Although your claim has no technical details to support it, and your experiences were most likely done versus slash weak opponents. Don't be too quick to judge.
The RA point arguement is weak indeed, let's do the maths.
A luri shade would have 55 str + 120 dex to a total of (55 + 120) / 2 = 87,5.
A luri shade would have 55 str = 55 + 0 = 55.
A diffrence of 32.5 from the beginning.
You have 20 RA points to spend.
A blade Shade does Aug str 3, MoP 3 as presented earlier in the thread.
It would give him/her 55 + 22 = 77.
With a 17% chance to crit.
A pierc shade does say MoP4.
It would still give him/her 87.5.
With a 27% chance to crit.
As the damage depends on your opponent, weapon combo, template stats ect. I can't do a full damage calculation, but from a pure basic a luri pierce shade would have a 32.5 stat advantage and a 10% crit chance if there was 20 ra points avaiable to spend.
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I was pierce from rr1>rr8 and enjoyed every second off it,it was only coz off the remedy changes i went blades,i may try pierce again one day.
