heavy metal, or lack thereof

[Mabs]

how many people who wanted to do this actually got it done ?

most of the people i talk to from KO had to go as far as to reroll on a packed server, usually K8P, to get the event done, due to it being nigh impossible to do it on KO(d).

i know some people did get it done but it doesnt seem to be the rule.

so i ask, whats the point of doing an event for the whole playerbase, when you actually physically cant do it ?
i have no problem with it being a (and i use the word loosely) "skill" event, requiring hard work, thats fine. but when your scuppered by a game engine mechanic, thats pathetic. log on for 6-7 hours and queue for reik factory the whole time, and still nothing - thats not fair on people trying to do this event they were told was open to them - and people then getting in and not getting credit, or being unable to talk to NPC etc

its not good enough, end of story.

and before anyone says anything, yes i have voted with my feet, this was the straw that broke the camels back, and i have cancelled my sub

any GOA people want to tell me how they plan to sort this sort of thing out ? its a bit late for this now sadly. fair few of my guildies are leaving due to it aswell, which is unfortunate, but incompetancy isnt acceptable

 

[Ezeine]

Got it done on Karak Hirn (order) and Karak Eight Peaks (destro).

3 chars in total. Would have been more but couldn't really be arsed

Personally I wouldn't go far as cancel my sub due to not able to complete the event on any char but each to its own I guess.

 

[Mabs]

Got it done on Karak Hirn (order) and Karak Eight Peaks (destro).

3 chars in total. Would have been more but couldn't really be arsed

aah yes, i know you can do that thanks

my point is , i shouldnt have to go to a different server to do something that they claim everyone can do, you see

i happened to want the cloak on my high lvl toons, not a lvl 1 roller, crazy idea i know but...

 

[Turamber]

fair few of my guildies are leaving due to it aswell,

Leaving because they can't get access to new character classes one week early? Some people are very hard to please, evidently.

 

[Ezeine]

aah yes, i know you can do that thanks

my point is , i shouldnt have to go to a different server to do something that they claim everyone can do, you see

i happened to want the cloak on my high lvl toons, not a lvl 1 roller, crazy idea i know but...

Yeah I get yout point

The only way everyone would be able to complete these events if they were pve and soloable by any level.

If there's any pvp component, there's the risk of failure on low population servers.

 

[Mabs]

Personally I wouldn't go far as cancel my sub due to not able to complete the event on any char but each to its own I guess.

such stealth editing !

well, i dont like the way the healing is going so i was going to reroll as a bg and see if they were any better, but would now have to wait the week, 10 days, whatever, longer to do that, while twiddling my thumbs

and its also bigger picture. oh its just an event that we cant do , yeah, granted
and next week its just the character transfer we dont get for 6 months
and so on

if they cant be arsed with the low pop and concentrate on keeping the busy ones happy above all others, then they can fuck off frankly

 

[Ezeine]

if they cant be arsed with the low pop and concentrate on keeping the busy ones happy above all others, then they can fuck off frankly

I guess one way to fix this (in future events) is that there's an alternate way to accomplish the certain tasks via PvE.

Maybe even selected servers only type of thing.

Btw what's with the FH Subscriber twice?

 

[ramathorn]

couldnt bring myself to log in for long enough to complete it

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I'm intrigued.

Mabs, did you fail to complete the RvR parts?

I've seen a toon called Mabs on Dest / Karak-Hirn, is that you?

I've been running RvR stuff a few nights - lots of open warbands, I completed a large chunk of the RvR part of Heavy Metal in one night and I posted a PQ-frenzy on the KH forums and got the PQ part done on Friday night. That hadn't really been intentional, I was just doing PQs that night anyway for some guild/alliance mates.

If thats not you I've seen on KH then disregard my post but if it was you, then could you explain a bit more about which parts of Heavy Metal you missed?

I didn't bother to complete Heavy Metal, but I chose not to, rather than missing out.

 

[Ezeine]

I think Mabs posted this due to problems completing the event on Karak-Orrud(?).

 

[Tiani]

I got the trophy, mostly by accident (finished the non-Reikland factory quests completely by accident, go to a capital city, talk to the herald, kill 20 undead)

About half way from the cloak, joined Reikland queue all day sat and sun and it never popped, oh well.

 

[Lubbock]

Same here on Burloc and Karak-Hirn, no scenario pops, really a shame.

 

[Hufner]

I think the main problem is the way the scenarios are being picked to launch.
The fact that on Karrag Orrud, Reikland Factory has popped once in the entire event for me, despite me queuing up for it every single night in T3 and T4, yet other scenarios (and of course, TA and SP being the main ones) are popping regularily.

If I understand the mechanics correctly, the reason for this is the number of people needed to launch those two are lower than RF.
And of course I'm pretty sure most Order and Destro do a Join All when they sign up, the server launches TA/SP and they join this - thus removing the players from the queue to RF.

I may be wrong, but this is my hunch at least.

And it's sad that this mechanic stops us on low pop servers from completing the event - but it's also this that makes everyone complain about only getting into those scenarios again and again.

 

[Mabs]

Btw what's with the FH Subscriber twice?

its a bug, dunno

Mabs, did you fail to complete the RvR parts?

I've seen a toon called Mabs on Dest / Karak-Hirn, is that you?

yes, and its not me - i tend to use Lindraskada for my mains, which are almost always healers..

I think Mabs posted this due to problems completing the event on Karak-Orrud(?).

indeed!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Okies, as I said disregard my post.

 

[Mas]

It is a shame to have to roll from Orrud to Eight Peaks and it shouldnt be necessary but it is worth it. Only 3 months into the game is easy enough to reroll on a popualated server or for even an entire guild to reroll, as waiting for transfers is a much more prolonged effect when in the meantime you could be levelling on a fun, action packed server like k8p.

Its a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face rerolling but its worth it. The final straw for me on Orrud was the HM event but it was desperate before then with only 2 or 3 running around in t1 and t2 areas, no PQ other than stage 1 got done and it was like playing an offline RPG more than a mmo.

Now eight peaks is a world of difference from Orrud, lots of action, got to the HM cloak item within a day from rolling a new char and hes levelling nicely. The Auctioneer is packed with items, and heck theres even /reigon chat.

No point moaning imo, if your not happy move, dont wait for goa/mythic to bail anyone out. If you enjoy warhammer, go where the popualtion is better than low/low.

 

[Legean]

I did it the first day all the quests became available on my main, got the cloak on all the alts i wanted them on (KEP) and accidently did the whole event on my WE on Karak Azgal just via normal leveling and queueing for all scenarios.

 

[Sparda]

I have managed to do this on KO with my main, though I did do it first on K8P with a level 10.

You only need 1 RF pop to do this, if you have done the PvE stuff. It was simply a case of Queuing at prime time for RF alone while PvEing / ORvRing. Had 6 or 7 pop on night.

 

[Dervish]

Yep there was one night on KO where we got RF popping like a bugger. About 6 times in 40 minutes which allowed me to complete the event. I didn't kill a single person in oRvR which is the only step I didn't finish but got enough credit from the rest of the steps I guess.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Yep there was one night on KO where we got RF popping like a bugger. About 6 times in 40 minutes which allowed me to complete the event. I didn't kill a single person in oRvR which is the only step I didn't finish but got enough credit from the rest of the steps I guess.

Unfortunately after that night I got one more pop so if you missed it - SOL.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Unfortunately after that night I got one more pop so if you missed it - SOL.

Yep - i got it about 3 times during the whole event (before all the full quest became available).

Have to say pretty dissapointed. Yet another thing goes wrong - i even PM'ed Nic a few days ago about this problem that a number of players had. No reply to date not even a "Sorry, can't help".

Very dissapointing, combination of poor planning and service again.

 

[Lubbock]

Aye a shame, it was a great Scenario had lots of fun in there, i just got a feeling that the scenario have been bugged, because i dont believe there wasnt enough people queued.

 

[Javai]

Unfortunately after that night I got one more pop so if you missed it - SOL.

I spent the first few days of the event in hospital and missed the RF pops, rolled on eight peaks purely to flag my account for classes but something very wrong when you can't even get enough influence for the cloak reward on your regular server.

The allowing quests to be done after the specific days was a nice move for players like me who were unavoidably removed from some days play but it also meant people could get all they needed in RF in one sitting and then never queue it again

 

[MagnusGOA]

Heavy Metal

Good day,
good to be back in the office after holidays and Dreamhack awesomeness!

In an attempt to make the Heavy Metal event more accessible, we decided to leave the daily tasks available throughout the event, essentially rendering the event more accessible to the casual player. This was done as a direct result of player feedback. We're well aware of the fact that some players have - despite great efforts - failed to complete the event simply because the Reikland Factory scenario didn't pop. Unfortunately there aren't any quick fixes to this and in the end this is a facet of the underlying problem of low population - something we're committed to combat.

Whereas we hope that low populations won't be a hindrance henceforth, we have gathered lots of feedback on the Heavy Metal event and it will all be evaluated and weighed in when designing upcoming events. Essentially, we want events to be completable by anyone but not completed by everyone.


Cheers and best of luck!
-Magnus

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Live Event scenarios that don't contribute to Victory Points would be worthwhile making them inter-server. That way the combined populations of all the servers go into the pool of available players. Similar to WoW Battlegrounds. Or even a subset of the servers, grouping servers together into a shared pool of players, perhaps 5 servers per pool.

This would immediately solve the issue of people having a finite time to play a scenario as it would no longer depend on the number of players on their server.

Bit of a technical headache I'm sure though.

 

[MagnusGOA]

Live Event scenarios that don't contribute to Victory Points would be worthwhile making them inter-server. That way the combined populations of all the servers go into the pool of available players. Similar to WoW Battlegrounds. Or even a subset of the servers, grouping servers together into a shared pool of players, perhaps 5 servers per pool.

This would immediately solve the issue of people having a finite time to play a scenario as it would no longer depend on the number of players on their server.

Bit of a technical headache I'm sure though.

Good point, I'll pass it on!


-Magnus

 

[Tallen]

Same here on Burloc and Karak-Hirn, no scenario pops, really a shame.

Well thats odd, what tier on KH?

Tier 2 and 3 pops all the time, managed to complete the event without really trying. That being said, it really was a pointless "event", but i have already ranted about this once

 

[Tallen]

Good day,
good to be back in the office after holidays and Dreamhack awesomeness!

In an attempt to make the Heavy Metal event more accessible, we decided to leave the daily tasks available throughout the event, essentially rendering the event more accessible to the casual player. This was done as a direct result of player feedback. We're well aware of the fact that some players have - despite great efforts - failed to complete the event simply because the Reikland Factory scenario didn't pop. Unfortunately there aren't any quick fixes to this and in the end this is a facet of the underlying problem of low population - something we're committed to combat.

Whereas we hope that low populations won't be a hindrance henceforth, we have gathered lots of feedback on the Heavy Metal event and it will all be evaluated and weighed in when designing upcoming events. Essentially, we want events to be completable by anyone but not completed by everyone.


Cheers and best of luck!
-Magnus

How exactly do you plan on tackling low populations and when? Looking at the pops now almost all servers read low/low most of the time. Call me melodramatic, but the clock seems to be ticking already barely three months into release.

I recall similar comments from the DAoC days and the overall population only went one direction, down.

This is shaping up to be a significant problem if it's not tackled soon, I sincerely hope you mean what you say.

 

[Flimgoblin]

How exactly do you plan on tackling low populations and when? Looking at the pops now almost all servers read low/low most of the time. Call me melodramatic, but the clock seems to be ticking already barely three months into release.

I recall similar comments from the DAoC days and the overall population only went one direction, down.

This is shaping up to be a significant problem if it's not tackled soon, I sincerely hope you mean what you say.

server transfers?

They seem to have worked for Norn (if not necessarily Izor) - they can keep offering transfers to consolodate people onto servers.

The Daoc problem was that they couldn't cluster/transfer people to the german servers and there wasn't any other servers they could merge with. WAR has a decent population in total just it's a bit too spread out.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

WAR has a decent population in total just it's a bit too spread out.

To be fair film - WAR does have a decent population spread over many many servers. The fact that the population can only be described as "decent" and not "teeming", "bursting" or any other stronger word (even on KEP which is a very busy server compared to the rest i'd say it's "Ok", rather than really "Busy"), and we're not even out of the release Quarter of the game (traditionally in any online game, it's highest population point) concerns me.

Anyone else getting the feeling that means that WAR has been far from the massive success they hoped?