Healers and soloing?

[Wibbler2]

I've got a 38 healer (mend spec) and can't solo for toffee, I find it difficult to solo blues

(I have a crafted weapon and shield and all emerald DF armour atm) (yes I know crafted armour would be better, but I'm a poor spellcrafter with no spare cash)

My question is: I've been told, if I respec to full Aug spec (or as near as possible), I'll be able to solo mobs well.
(I'm not interested in RvR, I have a baby SB for that)

I was thinking of going max Aug and the rest in Pac, or is there a better spec for soloing?

Thanks in advance!

 

[MiMeN]

hmmm hard one

Yes u would be able to solo, but with practically no pom, 1 stun and celerity then sit down for half an hour for pow.

Anyway i think its a shame that ppl on this server have forgotten how to grp.


/salut

 

[Wibbler2]

It's not that I've forgotten how to group, I never get invited into groups in the first place any more...

 

[uglymug]

Re: hmmm hard one

Originally posted by MiMeN
Anyway i think its a shame that ppl on this server have forgotten how to grp.

speaking only for meself ofcourse...

i used to group, but 4 outta 5 groupd either gets you killed within the first 5 pulls or stand around for 30 min bitching about where they wanna go xp..

now when i solo i have none of these problems (obviously). .. i can go where i wanat when i want, provided the the spot is not camped ... and i tend to die a lot less when i solo.

so my impression is not that we have forgotted how to group, that's easy just spam invites ... the real problem is that hardly anybody knows how to play in a group and what the different classes do and how the complement each other

but maybe i'm just too cynical to group

on the subject tho ... several 40+ healers have commented on how hard/impossible it is to solo, even with different specs. imo healers(and aug/mend shammies) need groups to lvl

 

[old.anubis]

i have lvl 35 healer (smth like 25 pac 16 mend 18 aug), and lvl 50 full pac healer
both of them can easily solo low oranges without using any instas

 

[fl3a]

Re: Re: hmmm hard one

Originally posted by uglymug
speaking only for meself ofcourse...

i used to group, but 4 outta 5 groupd either gets you killed within the first 5 pulls or stand around for 30 min bitching about where they wanna go xp..

you are speaking for me also. that is EXACTLY as it is

 

[plastic_angel]

I got a healer with 49 aug, he can solo red mobs without instas etc. When I made him it was because I wanted a haste bot, but I quite enjoyed playing with him and now he is one of my favorite chars. Very fun to solo in rvr with.

 

[riv]

wibbleh

groups love pac healers, as you probably know, for both rvr and pve; but i'd consider what you want to do with this character before you respec. what is there to solo once you hit level 50 with him?

the nature of healing is surely a group factor? if you can't get groups i'd just throw some in pac or aug, or go pac/mend, i wouldn't worry about soloing, as tbh you're gonna end up in lair groups soon.

 

[Whisperess]

Re: Re: hmmm hard one

Originally posted by uglymug
the real problem is that hardly anybody knows how to play in a group and what the different classes do and how the complement each other

People have to learn, and fast - or they'll be practically useless in RvR further on.

 

[wiiwii]

for solo u should do mend/aug split, get 4 in pac for pom 1 u wont need powerregen since all u do is unstyled dam wich takes a bit too kill mobs. by the time mob is dead u should have full power even with pom 1.

if u do wanna get grps, go pretty high pac for aestun. aughealers have (or had a few months ago) an impossible time to get grps. in lair it's all about aestun so sm's can nuke.

midgard needs more aug/mend healers too bad no grps for them

 

[old.Rusfighter]

^^

 

[Wibbler2]

Hmm, still not sure what to do with him..

The other reason I had to go full aug was to turn him into a buffbot, my SB is on my other account...

 

[mac_kraakebolle]

dont level him
when/if I get my healer to 50 Il promise to throw some haste buffs around (gonna spec aug/mend)



too many healers right now, can hardly get a group in PvE, and most savages dont want to duo as they have a bleeding bb

 

[zmurf]

don't give up on rvr with ur healer before it's lvl 50 and u'v tried it atleast a bit, since sb solo rvr (pvp) is far far from the same exsperience as group rvr, which i find to be the most amusing by far, but ppl r so diff in that way, but imo give it a try before discarding it so fast, and IF u deside to spec aug take it to 37 max then u can both get either nice pac (ae insta stun is max 36aug though) or get second best spread heal, which is VERY nice in rvr

 

[MiMeN]

Re: Re: hmmm hard one

Originally posted by uglymug
speaking only for meself ofcourse...


so my impression is not that we have forgotted how to group, that's easy just spam invites ... the real problem is that hardly anybody knows how to play in a group and what the different classes do and how the complement each other

but maybe i'm just too cynical to group

Of course as always i respect your views, but as u said ppl dont know how to play in grp cos nobody grps. So we have a nice case of a nasty circle.

I'll solo cos nobody knows how to grp. Nobody knows how to grp cos everybody solos ( with or without BB ).


/salut

 

[Nichneven]

gifv healers weap spec

 

[horil]

Healers shouldn't be soloing

Midgard needs healers, too bad many grp is still treating them like shite..

 

[illu]

Healers tbh shouldn't really solo, but in this case - if it's to be a buffbot then fair enough I suppose. But then again, the best buffbot is a shaman.....(once the heals get powerful enough, and the end regen kicks in).

I've always wanted to make a full aug healer - but at the end of the day, what is the point? as basically another class can kill so much better, so you're making a gimped character from the outset.

The whole point of a healer, is to heal a group. Yes, a lot of groups are noobs and get the healer killed or get themselves killed, but I find it is then the healer's role to organise them and teach them what to do and what to pull and when. Always have someone guarding you to pull off any aggro mobs, always keep the heals small if possible, and try and keep everyone alive.

The best specs I find are either a little bit of aug (say up to about 6), a nice amount of mend (23-30) and a lot of pac (up to 48). The more PAC you have, the more casters/shammys/runeys love you for your POM, and you can mezz and stun away. The nice spread heal is at mend 30 which is great in RvR as sometimes you just don't have time to target the 3 ppl being mullered, so you do your spread heal a couple of times and it's almost as good as an instagroup heal. And AUG is for buffs, and speed, and shammys and skalds/runeys do that better that you, so why spec in it?

Also it takes FOREVER to kill anything with a healer

"old.anubis i have lvl 35 healer (smth like 25 pac 16 mend 18 aug), and lvl 50 full pac healer
both of them can easily solo low oranges without using any instas" I take it this is in a 2 man group? Why not borrow a warrior to plevel your healer?

" plastic_angel I got a healer with 49 aug, he can solo red mobs without instas etc. When I made him it was because I wanted a haste bot, but I quite enjoyed playing with him and now he is one of my favorite chars. Very fun to solo in rvr with. " sounds like fun, but must take a while? Or is the +11(?)dps that powerful?

Gotta go to back to work

Oli - ILLU

 

[uglymug]

Re: Re: Re: hmmm hard one

Originally posted by MiMeN
Of course as always i respect your views, but as u said ppl dont know how to play in grp cos nobody grps. So we have a nice case of a nasty circle.

I'll solo cos nobody knows how to grp. Nobody knows how to grp cos everybody solos ( with or without BB ).

yep... circular reasoning... but it works in this case

one solution could be that people will group when 50 in rvr..only to find out they suck at their class and need to learn fast or get left behind

then when they make an alt they might have learned that grouping might be benificial to them ...

small chance eh?

 

[redknapp]

Heya Wibbleh

Go Pac Pac Pac. Everyone loves a Pac healer. Problem here is that you are gimping what most would consider to be your main char to suit the needs of an Alt char.

Dont do it. Get your healer to 50 before you gimp him on behalf of another char. I guaruntee you will have so much fun as support in lvl 50 RvR you will roll up a Shammy as a SB bot instead.

Not least of all because a Shaman makes a far better bot for a SB anyways.

As Riv said, pretty soon you will be up for Lair, and there is always a shortage of healers there. They will want Pac, so if you want to do 43-50 fast, make sure you have lots of nice stun spec.

Pac/mend4tehwin

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by redknapp
As Riv said, pretty soon you will be up for Lair, and there is always a shortage of healers there. They will want Pac, so if you want to do 43-50 fast, make sure you have lots of nice stun spec.

Pac/mend4tehwin

Don't base ur spec on what will lvl u the fastest way in lair, so what if u ding 50 1 or 2 day's earlier if u end up with a lvl 50 char with a spec u don't really like ? then u didnt waste 1~2 day's u wasted all the day's lvling him until u get ur hand's on a respec stone, spec whatever u would like to have at lvl 50, i do agree mid need's more pac and it's probably fun in rvr (didn't enjoy mine much i gotta admit) but if u don't want a lvl 50 pac healer DON'T MAKE 1

 

[Wibbler2]

Hmm, maybe I should roll a shaman then.

The trouble is, I don't play my healer any more, I spellcraft with him, or use him as a buffbot for my SB (which I enjoy playing a LOT more).

I don't want to delete the healer, just make him more useful.

I do enjoy being a mend healer in a group, but just can't seem to get groups any more, maybe a respec to pac/aug or aug/pac is the way to go, either that or he'll stay at 38 forever

 

[illu]

The worst levels I find are from 38-42/43.

What I suggest is you hang around varulv or spindel and team up with maybe a team of 2 or 3 ppl and then just heal away Soon you should get to the magic lvl 43 (maybe after a week or 2 of evening playing), then go down to Malmo (gah), ignore H, and just go for the lair.

If you get there early enough (if you don't work 6am - if you work, dead early on the weekend) then you will be the support healer / group 2 healer, and within about another week or 2 if you are lucky, you will be 50 ))

It is worth it, but it is a pain in the arse. Then with your level 50 on your account, you can RvR a bit and wait for the 1.62 patch with /level in it, then roll a lvl 30 shammy for your sb, then level him up to say lvl 33/34/35 to be able to rez your lvl 50 sb and if he is full aug and say mend 9, then he can give you a real nice end regen 4 + lovely buffs.



Oli - ILLU

 

[Nichneven]

kinda easy to ignore H now... no one is ever there ^^

 

[plastic_angel]

Originally posted by illu
sounds like fun, but must take a while? Or is the +11(?)dps that powerful?


Oli - ILLU

Soloing mobs you mean? Well not too long, the dmg shield help alot too. And using the speed debuff helps too (even if it isnt that good) but ofc, a zerker with shammy bb would do it faster

 

[redknapp]

Originally posted by zmurf
Don't base ur spec on what will lvl u the fastest way in lair, so what if u ding 50 1 or 2 day's earlier if u end up with a lvl 50 char with a spec u don't really like ? then u didnt waste 1~2 day's u wasted all the day's lvling him until u get ur hand's on a respec stone, spec whatever u would like to have at lvl 50

1.62 = Free single line respec for all, respec out then.