hay there wtg...*clap.....clap....clap* woo :(

[Ezteq]

I generally consider myself to be a good person, i mean im not overtly evil and i generally do keep my psychopathic tendancies under control so by this token i think i am fairly good.

When I see a homeless person I usually give them money if i have it or if they are selling the big issue (which i detest) i will buy them a coffee if its cold or a soda if its hot because i always think hay that could be me... it actually may have i was homeless for a few weeks when i was a teenager so I do have empathy for them.

However, something which has lessened my desire to help them came to my attention yesterday. My boyfriend (the long suffering but eternally lucky B2) has been telling me for the past few months about a group of homeless guys who use the car park at his work to sleep in (ok well they gotta sleep somewhere..) then cars started getting trashed and they leave their *crap* laying about, even though there are bins they dont clean up after themselves...


well (I though) maybe they have lost some of their social conscious after all they have been having a rough time but yesterday at work they found that these charming men (junkies btw) decided to play a trick on the guys who work there and right next to the designated smoking area in the wall they jammed a used needle pointy end face out in to the morter, this was obviously a malicious act if they really didnt care they would have just dropped it but to leave it where it would most likely injure someone i think is disgusting.

Tbh I don't think I shall be giving money or drinks to homeless people any more, I know yu shouldnt tar everyone with the same brush but I'm buggered if I'm going to help people with that mentality.



Lesson: dont shit on your own doorstep you screw things up for everyone.

 

[Gamah]

 

[Lamp]

Lesson: dont shit on your own doorstep you screw things up for everyone.

Its ok to shit on your own doorstep provided you don't step in it

 

[Ezteq]

looool that lil dogs eyes


gtg sean the sheep on *wooshy dusty thing*

 

[Varna]

I can't stand most homeless people, so un-appreciative, they're lazy scum who use and feed off people till they lose everyone they love, they have no goals in life or any achivements. Utter scum.

 

[kivik]

gtg sean the sheep on

rocks!

 

[Sharma]

I can't stand most homeless people, so un-appreciative, they're lazy scum who use and feed off people till they lose everyone they love, they have no goals in life or any achivements. Utter scum.

Tis exactly the way my cousins going atm, I gave up on him long ago, and if I do see him homeless at some point in the future, you can be damn sure I won't even spare a penny.

I don't see why I should have to sympathise with people who fucked up by their own volition which is pretty much 90% of the hobos in Middlesbrough.

I already pay money into the system to uphold the council lifestyles of chavs in tax, why should I give more?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tbh I don't think I shall be giving money or drinks to homeless people any more, I know yu shouldnt tar everyone with the same brush but I'm buggered if I'm going to help people with that mentality.

No offense(or take it if you want), but this kind of mentality ruins the world a bit.

"Those guys are cool!"

*one of those guys kicks you in the nuts*

"Those guys are all a-holes!"

Letting individuals get in the way of your opinion of a group of people is...well...bleh.

 

[echome]

No offense(or take it if you want), but this kind of mentality ruins the world a bit.

"Those guys are cool!"

*one of those guys kicks you in the nuts*

"Those guys are all a-holes!"

Letting individuals get in the way of your opinion of a group of people is...well...bleh.

WHAT!?!? I actually agree with Toht on something... :wub:

Ez hunny, get your self together and don't let a few scums destroy your view on the "world".

 

[tris-]

i never give anything to homeless people after a speech my friend did for an english assesment. it was pretty 'out there' for our age, but ive agreed with everything he said ever since.

 

[Chronictank]

Maybe it is me being small minded, but with so many support structurees for people i really dont get how they can become homeless in the uk to the extent where they have to beg for money if they arent addicts, or lazy.
You are given free money and board if your un-employed

I refuse to give money to homeless, simply because it is a complete and utter waste.
I am not rewarding people for being lazy, that said i do occasionally give them money if they are honest about where it is going to go and are non-abusive.

 

[crispy]

I can't stand most homeless people, so un-appreciative, they're lazy scum who use and feed off people till they lose everyone they love, they have no goals in life or any achivements. Utter scum.

You do realize that most homeless people have all kinds of phychological problems right?

Its kinda like, ok to loose a leg and therefore cant work -> life goes down drain, but not ok if its something mental ^_^

 

[tris-]

mental people flip out and stab mother fuckers. one legged joe on the other hand doesnt pose a massive threat in an everyday situation.

 

[Imgormiel]

I was homeless for 2 years and sold the Big Issue. There's alot that can be said for and against it. It gave me my start into journalism and after I finished selling I became a journalist.

I was and always have been 'clean' with regard to the respect of drugs. Yep, I know many homeless people do drugs and that's why I won't give to them because they know I know what they are going to spend it on. But they respect me for staying off the streets for what has now been 8 years.

With regards to the social conscience issue, well, it's more of a case that you are as a homeless person out of the 'loop'. There are no rules any more. I am not condoning the actions of 'junkies' as it was referred to in the thread. Nor am I condoning the irresponsible behaviour of any individual. Many people do not 'choose' to be homeless nor are they lazy. Those are irresponsible social attitudes. Being on that side of the board game so to speak and trying to get back into the loop is not as easy as it sounds. The Big Issue don't make it any easier for you. They have red tape, structures and case work to get through. And as much as you would think those people are seeing and working on your case as fast as possible - you are wholly wrong. It's a slow process, most of the money you give to that magazine goes to people whose job it is to help the homeless and by doing that you are giving them a wage. Much like the cogs and wheels of any other charity.

So, what Ezteq said was right, those individuals were scum for endangering the lives of other people. But tbh I am disgusted with the majority of those that replied to this thread because of their ignorance and naivety.

Look beyond what you see and delve deeper tbfh

 

[Huntingtons]

it was pretty 'out there' for our age, but ive agreed with everything he said ever since.

heil hitler?


there's a good reason to be on the streets. be it drugs, alchohol, psychological problems or other non stated. the government dont care about them simply put. they dont contribute they only take and therefore they are useless. the only reason the government would help homeless is to make a certain area/city look better on paper for the outsiders.
thinking they're lazy and dont care about anything is a very narrow minded way to look at it. most of these people are addicts and you dont become an addict for the fun of it - people who have lived relativly normal lives wont easily become addicts.

there's lotsa ways for the government to help them but they dont care.
and people who say: "LOLS I PAY MY TAX, IM A GOOD GUY IRL I WONT HELP!" are the ones i hope end in the same misery. good for you if you can get up on the horse again but these people have had many a defeats in their lives.

 

[Ezteq]

It just really annoys me that people (not just the homelss, all of us) dont take account of their actions its like gypsies, if they didnt totally ruin the areas they camped in and break in to peoples houses when they come to the area people wouldnt have a probem with thwm and they could travel and stop pretty much where they like.

Bloody big well done to Imgor tbh yes there are circumstances that you really cant help and before you know it your lifes gone totally pear shaped but jeeze well done yu for not taking the easy way out total respect for you.

Seel i cant remember what you said so lemme scroll up a sec... ah yeah your right i shouldnt but i kind of think well maybe theyll learn if they start behaving in a good way... no thats just naieve even for me they wont.

 

[Chronictank]

But tbh I am disgusted with the majority of those that replied to this thread because of their ignorance and naivety.

Look beyond what you see and delve deeper tbfh

As i said, it's a small minded view but this doesn't deviate from the fact that the homeless people i meet have yet to change it
You may view it as ignorance, but when that is the reality you are shown by the vast majority of those affected what else are people to think?
I did a soup kitchen as part of the duke of edinburgh award, and got to talk to a fair few people.

As for the addiction part, addiction is a weakness if someone really wanted to get out the loop they would seek help, and that help is there to be frank, and thanks to the NHS that help costs nothing.

In addition people who REALLY don't want to be homeless would do something about it, in your case you started selling the Big Issue instead of trying to look pathetic enough to get a hand out

 

[Imgormiel]

It just really annoys me that people (not just the homelss, all of us) dont take account of their actions its like gypsies, if they didnt totally ruin the areas they camped in and break in to peoples houses when they come to the area people wouldnt have a probem with thwm and they could travel and stop pretty much where they like.

Bloody big well done to Imgor tbh yes there are circumstances that you really cant help and before you know it your lifes gone totally pear shaped but jeeze well done yu for not taking the easy way out total respect for you.

Seel i cant remember what you said so lemme scroll up a sec... ah yeah your right i shouldnt but i kind of think well maybe theyll learn if they start behaving in a good way... no thats just naieve even for me they wont.

Thanks, too bad I've been unemployed now for a while tho, i rly want a job

 

[Ezteq]

hay dont let it get to you youll get one if yu want one there are always jobs to be had even if they are shit they will see you through till a better one comes along... look at me working at asda or as i like to call it SOULLESS BASTARD SATANIC MORON CORP i hated every second of it but they very very rarely turn an applicant down and i needed the money.


think of it this way youve come this far youve done that you can do this!

*sends positive vibes*

Zmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <---vibe btw

 

[Imgormiel]

As i said, it's a small minded view but this doesn't deviate from the fact that the homeless people i meet have yet to change it
You may view it as ignorance, but when that is the reality you are shown by the vast majority of those affected what else are people to think?
I did a soup kitchen as part of the duke of edinburgh award, and got to talk to a fair few people.

As for the addiction part, addiction is a weakness if someone really wanted to get out the loop they would seek help, and that help is there to be frank, and thanks to the NHS that help costs nothing.

In addition people who REALLY don't want to be homeless would do something about it, in your case you started selling the Big Issue instead of trying to look pathetic enough to get a hand out

I had to drop out of Uni because of homelessness. I worked on gardens labouring etc, but it was never enough. Once the plug on the sink is pulled, you go down with it. It's not as easy as you make it sound. Nice one for doing the soup kitchen's or soul kitchen's as I used to nick name them. I actively point all homeless people to them and give them advice on any help they can get to get themselves back on their feet. After all, an experience shared is a problem halved. I do it because I had to find out on my own where to get the help I needed to get back on my feet, so it makes it in the short and long term easier for them.:worthy:

Etzeq .... /hug

 

[old.Tohtori]

hay dont let it get to you youll get one if yu want one there are always jobs to be had even if they are shit they will see you through till a better one comes along...

I only wish there were even shi*ty jobs to get me through

Wish it was that "magically" true, go out and get a job.

 

[Sharma]

So, what Ezteq said was right, those individuals were scum for endangering the lives of other people. But tbh I am disgusted with the majority of those that replied to this thread because of their ignorance and naivety.

Whilst I know what I said was ignorant and Naive when applied to the rest of the world, if you came to Middlesbrough you'd know why i outright wouldn't give to any sod on our streets.

Tris can probably back me up on this, anyone who's homeless in Boro has at least a 95% chance of being a smack head, so i'd much rather see them chucked in a blazing inferno, nothing untowards meant to yourself, but in Middlesbrough, the homeless would quite happily stab you for all of 20p.

 

[Himse]

Half the people on the streets actually have a house, and a family, but they just cba to get a job so they sit on the streets all night.

 

[GRN]

It just really annoys me that people (not just the homelss, all of us) dont take account of their actions its like gypsies, if they didnt totally ruin the areas they camped in and break in to peoples houses when they come to the area people wouldnt have a probem with thwm and they could travel and stop pretty much where they like.

The problem with gypsies is that the 98% of them ruin the whole group's reputation.

Yours,
GRN

 

[Thorwyn]

Most junkies over here in germany are not homeless. They´re mostly riding the dole train and somehow manage to still have a room or a small flat. The really homeless people over here are mostly on alcohol, but not on other drugs. It seems to be a difference to the UK. All the homeless people over here are ... well... harmless. They´re not doing anything except sitting in the streets, enjoying their cheap wine, occasionally asking for change.

However, I think that some people here are a tad unfair with their generalizations. There are many ways to end up face down in the dirt and in many cases, it´s not the result of being a lazy scumbag. In fact, you can end up on the street rather quickly.

 

[echome]

Half the people on the streets actually have a house, and a family, but they just cba to get a job so they sit on the streets all night.

Is this a fact? - If so please show me your source hehe.

What is the problem with sitting on the street all night? - Don't think that is the best time of day to apply for a job anyway hehe.

 

[Sparx]

In london Oxford street a "homeless" person can make anything over £100 a day

Alot of them arent homeless at all. My friend was at his desk one day, looked out the window to see 4 guys get out a car and changed into tramps clothes then go work the street

I used to give money to this guy all the time cause he was pleasant and told jokes, till one day he passed me wearing a new, expensive, pinstripe suit


there is one guy tho down in Brixton i do give to cause he cracks me up, does magic tricks and everything

 

[Gamah]

I don't give money to tramps, or these ***** that come and spin you a tale, I tell them to fuck off.

 

[soze]

I know a homeless guy who has over a million in the bank he was a big shot laywer till his wife died at which point he gave up on everything and started sleeping in the park. His son now lives in his old house and this guy sleeps in the shed at the back of the garden when its too cold.

I started speak to this guy when i saw him looking in a KFC window and offered to buy him lunch. So not all homeless people are scumbags and not all of them need our help.

 

[Gamah]

give it to me the fucking ****.