has Hollywood gone too far this time ?

[xane]

Sacrilege !

From the days since "The Magnificent Seven", Hollywood has been americanizing* stories, but this time they have gone too far ...




I hear the remake of the Italian Job will be set in Los Angeles.




* of course "americanizing" _has_ to be spelt with a "z"

 

[Wij]

Who cares ? It's not anything special like an Akira Kurasawa movie this time

 

[xane]

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[caLLous]

I take it we all remember last year's box office "hit" (in america, that is), U-571?

 

[xane]

Originally posted by Wij
Who cares ? It's not anything special like an Akira Kurasawa movie this time

How can you say that of a movie starring the best of British actors ... Michael Caine, Noel Coward, and, er, Benny Hill !

 

[Zey]

ohhh the film where it was a British operation and hollywood said it was done by Americans?

F00king Yanks

That's an insult to everyone who died in that operation

 

[throdgrain]

Yes it is. But then its all bollocks, Braveheart, all of it. Bollocks.

 

[kanonfodda]

the yanks have to americanize all the stories, coz they don't have any real heroes of their own. they have to believe that they are better than everyone else, so sad.

screw the yanks, can't stand their attitude

 

[Wij]

Indeed. It's nothing like the real operation anyway. HMS Bulldog was the real ship. The whole story is made up so it's not really like defiling their memory. It just pretends that the USA captured the first enigma machine rather than the Brits. That's all.

Hollywood re-writing history is rather a different subject to Hollywood remakes and it's one that we've covered several times. Do a search for Mel Gibson on these boards

 

[xane]

Originally posted by kanonfodda
the yanks have to americanize all the stories, coz they don't have any real heroes of their own. they have to believe that they are better than everyone else, so sad.

Ironically, the joke is that the US _does_ have plenty of "heroes".

Take for example the Band of Brothers TV series, excellent screenplay and all based on true and accurate information from real life decorated American heroes, why can't Hollywood pick on those kind of subjects is unclear.

The American War of Independence (against the British), the American Civil War and the war against Mexico all produced many heroes and are perfect examples for the setting of good films, yet few are done and those that are get done by foreigners, e.g. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

Together with Vietnam and Korea, all the above have a gritty realism about them, which I guess is not something the American ideal really likes. I personally enjoy that kind of entertainment, but what gets done is Hollywood is rather washed down.

The worse americanization for me was, strangely, the Disney cartoon film Pocahontas, where the American "hero" is portrayed as the saviour of the "indians" from the nasty British. The fact that his countrymen went on to slaughter them afterwards is neatly avoided, it's a blatent poke in the eye of something the Americans really should be ashamed of.

 

[Wij]

And they ignored the fact that she was like 12 or something

 

[Furr]

not ignored just forgot to mention the facts , seems to happen a lot when dealing with hollywood.

 

[Wij]

Kiddie fiddling and Disney seem strangely made for each other

 

[caLLous]

And then there was The Patriot.

 

[Furr]

can't they be sued for false portrayal or somin like that, im sure they could with the american judicial system.

 

[Stazbumpa]

Let me see: U-571, Pearl Harbour, The Patriot, Once Were Soldiers, Braveheart. I notice a pattern here. It involves anything touched by Jerry Bruckheimer or Mel fucking Gibson. What pisses me off is that Gibson is a fucking good actor and I enjoy watching him, but I've not seen any of his films recently because he is being a wanker.

America hasn't got even a quarter of the history that Britain and Europe has, and so they appear to be re-writing history to involve them at key points so that it doesn't appear that they are always sat at the sidelines whilst ordering other nations about.

Americans in general have a rose tinted view of the world and are also brought up on the idea of their own self importance. If they learnt a bit of humility the world would be a much better place.

 

[mr.Blacky]

wasn't there a test among US high school students. They had to point out where the US was on a blank map, aperently half pointed to Asia......caus it was big

 

[Scouse]

To be fair Cam, The Magnificent Seven is a magnificent movie

 

[old.logic7]

/arrogant rant - on

Lemme get this straight here... You say that there are no American hero's and yet, before we stepped into WWII (only because we had been provoked to do so, mind you), Hitler was handing you guys your asses on a regular basis. Seems to me like we've got plenty of heroes.

/arrogant rant - off

Seriously, Hollywood takes movies and makes it "palatiable" to the movie going masses. Those into good movies (like myself) would much rather see the originals. Over here, we're called "Artsy-Fartsy" types.

I liked "La Femme Nikita" more than the crappy "Point Of No Return", but prefer the superior "Black Cat" (starring Jade Leung). My preference usually goes with the originals.


Just wait... Hollywood may do a remake of "The Tin Drum" one day.

 

[Scouse]

You say that there are no American hero's and yet, before we stepped into WWII (only because we had been provoked to do so, mind you), Hitler was handing you guys your asses on a regular basis. Seems to me like we've got plenty of heroes.

Here we go again.


YOU DID NOT WIN THE FUCKING WAR FOR US.

Britain was SAFE FROM INVASION after the Battle Of Britain. We had air and naval superiority BEFORE you got your asses in the game, late (....again).


Don't get me wrong. We all appreciate your contribution. You did an awful lot to SHORTEN THE LENGTH (note: not win) of a war that Hitler was going to lose (when he found that he wasn't going to get any further it was just a matter of time).


Also - if anyone's responsible for "winning" WW2 it was RUSSIA.


But they don't teach the yanks that.


Just as a point of note - has anyone here ever read a yank "take" on WW2 in one of their "history" books? It's fucking laughable.

 

[old.logic7]

Let's make that the Russian Winter won the war.



Anywho, as I figured... someone wouldn't see the bit of sarcasm in there.

Touchy-ass Brit's.

 

[Summo]

Cama was saying that there are plenty of American 'heroes'. Make films about them rather than nicking our history, man.

Films are entertainment. They're stories acted out for us by pretty people. They're not historical documents or personal accounts. No biggy.

But the thought of Mark-Fucking-Warhleeburger delivering Michael Cane's lines fills me with despair.

 

[mr.Blacky]

Originally posted by Scouse

Also - if anyone's responsible for "winning" WW2 it was RUSSIA.

tbh it was rather Hitler. Looking at his stupid mistakes Nazi Germany could not have won the war.

 

[Testin da Cable]

can we leave the war out of it please? fs :/

 

[caLLous]

Let's not start on this whole cross-pond thing again.

And Summo dear chap, it's "thought".

 

[Summo]

Originally posted by caLLous
And Summo dear chap, it's "thought".

Yer a quick bugger, intcha? I spotted and edited that within the 30-second cut-off period.

I hate you.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Remaking The Italian Job is the worst idea ever. It may end up being a good film, but I doubt it. Even if it is a good film, it'll be completely in the shadows thanks to the sheer genius of the original, the charm factor, and Camp Freddy.

 

[bigbb]

Isn't it infuriating trying to edit before it sticks a wacking great 'Edited' on it?

Ho hum.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I'd like to edit your posts, bigbb.

 

[bigbb]

*Witty and disparaging reply*