tris-
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Because the law doesn't look at "intent".
actually i believe it does. how else could we sentance for manslaughter/death by diminished responsibility/murder etc.
Because the law doesn't look at "intent".
actually i believe it does. how else could we sentance for manslaughter/death by diminished responsibility/murder etc.
There is no such an issue in a case where someone killed your child or tried to kill but failed - the difference between seeing your child playing and your child in morgue is rather huge. The issue is that should the sentence be same regardless wether the killer killed on purpose or not - that's harder to prove because people don't always tell the truth.The sentence for attempted murder is less than for murder in the UK, but my personal logic doesn't understand that. The issue is, that people don't always tell the truth.
The jury and such do, law doesn't.
Include the example in my meaning before "showing" me wrong.
when you say "the law" to me that means the whole thing. i dont know how it works over there but to put it simply, the law is created by the judges here, using 'guidelines' from the government.
Still...
If the law said, "if you shoot a gun, it's the same as murder!" like naetha said(not literally), then if you accidentally shoot your rifle at home, someone gets hurt, you go to jail for it? With a same sentence as the gangbanger down the street for shooting someone?
The problem occurs when people lie, and they say that they accidentally discharged their gun, when actually they deliberately tried to kill their wife.
Stop putting words in my mouth that just aren’t there.
Ok, so "A=B=C>D" is actually your choice?Thats the difference between shooting your wife at home and hitting or missing. Rather than shooting your wife at home with the intent to kill, rather than accidentally discharging your hunting gun and killing your wife. The problem occurs when people lie, and they say that they accidentally discharged their gun, when actually they deliberately tried to kill their wife.
Thats not what I said at all - if you intend to kill and hit vs if you intend to kill and miss.
Thats the difference between shooting your wife at home and hitting or missing. Rather than shooting your wife at home with the intent to kill, rather than accidentally discharging your hunting gun and killing your wife. The problem occurs when people lie, and they say that they accidentally discharged their gun, when actually they deliberately tried to kill their wife.
Stop putting words in my mouth that just aren’t there.
No - she was talking about the lenght of the sentences in already given verdicts meaning the judge/court have already made their mind about the type of the crime. "Intented to kill but failed", "killing someone on purpose" and "intented to kill someone but only managing to wound" = same sentence in her books.Didn't you say before that everyone "with the intent" should be judged the same, but when the intent is only shown by the person who says "Well your honer, it was an accident", how can you know for sure?
No - she was talking about the lenght of the sentences in already given verdicts meaning the judge/court have already made their mind about the type of the crime. "Intented to kill but failed", "killing someone on purpose" and "intented to kill someone but only managing to wound" = same sentence in her books.
Well that's just equally silly.
Taking into consideration the whole lying point.
Actually yeah, makes absolutely no senseNaetha said:The sentence for attempted murder is less than for murder in the UK, but my personal logic doesn't understand that. The issue is, that people don't always tell the truth.
Naetha said:The sentence for attempted murder is less than for murder in the UK, but my personal logic doesn't understand that. The issue is, that people don't always tell the truth.
Because the law doesn't look at "intent". You accidently shoot your hunting rifle at home, you tried to kill your wife surely, so off to the prison you go for murder.
Like I said, in my personal logic I feel the sentences should be the same, however people don't tell the truth, so it wouldn't actually work.
This should be blatantly obvious from
Which is where we started from in the first place.
Rocket science it is not.
It dose the CPS in england will decide if you are charged with Pre Meditated Murder Life, Manslaughter 12 years, and then all the other possibilitites. The CPS go the the best and the one that will get you sentenced and then the Jury decide if you are guilty of that charge. The Jury have no say on sentacing or anything else thats the Judge.
the point of that was rather lost, due to bad spelling i guess and seeing what others might not.
What i meant is, how can you tell from accidents to planned things and how would one stop judging an innocent accident as a cold blooded murder?
Especially if there was no degrees.
Attempt of murder = no corpse vs murder = corpse - what truth we need in here?
The only difference? The corpse with bullet in head instead of playing child makes no difference at all? Surely the score matters the most?Does it matter when the only difference between the two was for example, a windspeed of 0.5km/s and 0.2km/s?
again, are you suggesting that we assume everyone is lieing, that people are guilty untill proven innocent instead of vice versa?
Its not easy to prove something is Premeditated but i would say 100% if you carried an illegal gun and killed someone even if you did not mean it it should be Premeditated as you decided to carry the gun you decided to use live ammo further proving intent. You decided to take the safety off or cock the gun. There are too many things that need to happen with a gun to accidently shoot someone. Add to that there is no need to carry one there is no excuse.
tris-, haven't you learned, if people are wrong or can't answer something, they ignore things instead of saying "you're right"
Or maybe they lose the will to live when faced with bloody mindedness for the sake of it
Naetha said:Did you know that during pregnancy a woman's brain can shrink by up to 10%, and doesn't get back to normal size for at least a year