Help guitar pros

[tris-]

in my quest not to give up miserably again ive been practicing various shit all week.
apparently the best thing to know is the minor pentatonic scale in the shape of E (?).

i know the shape now, what next?
all i can think to do is play it starting at A. then play it start at G etc. it aint too exciting!

 

[Lamp]

Have you thought about getting some lessons ?

 

[Azurus]

Try and end your little solos of shitness on the root note for a start, gives it a more rounded sound (in this case E). Also until you learn all 5 positions of the minor pentatonic scale it will be harder to get any good variety, so get them learnt as well.

 

[Cemeterygates]

What sorta level are you actually at atm tris?

 

[tris-]

What sorta level are you actually at atm tris?

i know the basic minor pentatonic shape and atm trying to learn the theory (what notes are where).

cant afford lessons lamp, im gonna have to at it without them.

 

[tris-]

bumps.

 

[Sparx]

TBH mate i'd say get a couple of lessons even if its just to show you some new stuff/point you in the right direction

 

[Aoami]

Scales are for gays.

Once you know what all the notes on fretboard are, scales become pretty much irrelevant.

 

[pikeh]

Scales are for gays.

Once you know what all the notes on fretboard are, scales become pretty much irrelevant.

I wouldnt really agree to be honest. A lot of songs are based around a progression in a certain scale, be it simple blues rock or some Avenged in the "synyster scale"
Just by simply knowing the notes on a fretboard, this dosent give you any real clue on how to stitch the notes together.
Something that helped me a lot when I first began guitar was getting a mate who also played, to do a simple chord progression and just solo the corresponding scale over the top of it. It gives you a feel for what different scales sound like, and also lets you try adding/taking away notes.

I would agree with Sparx/ Lamp. Purchase a few lessons. If you feel that you dont want to keep paying for them, dont, but at least you know.

 

[Aoami]

I wouldnt really agree to be honest. A lot of songs are based around a progression in a certain scale, be it simple blues rock or some Avenged in the "synyster scale"
Just by simply knowing the notes on a fretboard, this dosent give you any real clue on how to stitch the notes together.
Something that helped me a lot when I first began guitar was getting a mate who also played, to do a simple chord progression and just solo the corresponding scale over the top of it. It gives you a feel for what different scales sound like, and also lets you try adding/taking away notes.

I would agree with Sparx/ Lamp. Purchase a few lessons. If you feel that you dont want to keep paying for them, dont, but at least you know.

Point taken. However I guess it depends on whether you want to develop your own sound or just sound like everyone else.

 

[pikeh]

Point taken. However I guess it depends on whether you want to develop your own sound or just sound like everyone else.

Hah. Thats the most pretentious post ive heard in a long long time.

 

[Ezteq]

i know the basic minor pentatonic shape and atm trying to learn the theory (what notes are where).

cant afford lessons lamp, im gonna have to at it without them.

Oh don't worry about it, look on you tube, thats where I get my banjo lessons from (freeeee!!) and tbh i'm sure there will be loads of geetar lessons available there, also check out the forums at ezfolk.com the people on there are really helpful and there is loads of stuff on reading tabs etc.

 

[Aoami]

Hah. Thats the most pretentious post ive heard in a long long time.

I guess it was yeah, but it's true. I suppose it comes down to wether you want to play guitar to just play other peoples songs (which is fine), or develop your own style and start a band or whatever.

 

[fl3a]

you will develop your own style in using the scales, you dont have to be so agressively different from everyone else. after all, both kirk hammet and jimi hendrix solo by going up and down the minor pentatonic, but you wouldnt say that they do it in the same way

 

[kirennia]

I'd consider myself quite good at the guitar but I still have no idea what scale is what and tbh, I find it very irritating not being able to properly improv solo when the notes are in my head ready to be played. So then! Scales, which ones are these?

ex--x--
bx--x--
gx-x---
dx-x---
ax-x---
ex--x--

Blues pentatonic? Got no idea, just know it sounds incredibly bluesy... Play the notes one at a time and you can soon hear how easily it progresses up the neck and how to add flat notes where appropriate.

e--x-x-x
b--x-xx-
g-x-xx--
d-xx-x--
a-xx-x--
ex-x-x--

Again, no idea which scale it is, just that it's used in a lot of songs. Maybe I shouldn't know what they are and should just carry on with them and learn them all the way up the neck properly...

As for learning, carry on but learn different styles all the time, playing along to songs. Best bet if you want to learn to solo though is to learn the scale and improv a solo through entire songs. You'll find most bands only use a few scales anyway tbh...


Oh and screw tabs (mostly), you'll get a MUCH better ear by trying to work out whats being played where on your own once you know a good deal of chords... which are mostly based on scales

 

[tris-]

whats a decent price for a tutor?

ive found this guy with qualifications coming out his ass and £11/30 minsr.

Music Teachers UK - Mr Andrew Kerensky FRSA, DipLCM

 

[Aoami]

I'd say quite expensive (not that i've used a tutor) because a 30min session would surely be a waste of time and i'd want a couple of hours a time.

 

[pikeh]

I paid £20 for an "hour" but my tutor always used to get really into jamming so it usually lasted 20+ mins extra.

 

[Sparx]

i pay £25 an hour, a little expensive but she lives just round the corner and she is playing at Glastonbury this weekend and attended one of the biggest music schools as well as loads of other stuff

 

[tris-]

i pay £25 an hour, a little expensive but she lives just round the corner and she is playing at Glastonbury this weekend and attended one of the biggest music schools as well as loads of other stuff

how many hours in a go do you usually have?

ive read somewhere that youd want 10 hours of tutoring to get going with anything decent. could be bull shit though.

 

[Sparx]

only do an hour a time, done 3 now and i really feel like i am making progress, things are starting to sound like music now

still going a little slow but my chord changes are getting faster

 

[tris-]

sounds promising then. ive been able to do stuff like that for a while but its not all gelling in together like id want it. maybe i do just need some lessons then to get me set off propley.

 

[Sparx]

I'd say its for the best. Just try one, your tutor can tell you roughly where to go from there

 

[Ezteq]

whats a decent price for a tutor?

ive found this guy with qualifications coming out his ass and £11/30 minsr.

Music Teachers UK - Mr Andrew Kerensky FRSA, DipLCM

dude! you tube!!!!

its free, you can't get a better price than that unless they pay you to attend their lessons.

also if you miss a bit or whatever you can watch it over and over again without it rolling its eyes and looking at you as if youve just fallen out of the stupid tree.

 

[Sparx]

dude! you tube!!!!

its free, you can't get a better price than that unless they pay you to attend their lessons.

also if you miss a bit or whatever you can watch it over and over again without it rolling its eyes and looking at you as if youve just fallen out of the stupid tree.

Problem is youtube cant tell you if you are doing it wrong

 

[Ezteq]

i never do anything wrong... i just do things differently

 

[Sparx]

such a woman statement

 

[tris-]

dude! you tube!!!!

its free, you can't get a better price than that unless they pay you to attend their lessons.

also if you miss a bit or whatever you can watch it over and over again without it rolling its eyes and looking at you as if youve just fallen out of the stupid tree.

ive tried that mate but it doesnt help me. i watvh a vid, try copy it and it just doesnt do anything for me.

ive spoke to the bloke. hes moving into a music studio atm to make space for more students, hes got me on the list to start in august.

 

[Varna]

I was spending 15 pound for 30 mins, I figured it was useless. I told the teacher I liked rhythm, I like building things up rather than anything else. Still, the teacher decided to teach me lead instead. I since have been learning on my own, I use youtube mostly and have some books to reference to. My favorite chord is G, thats the only one I know - I'm learning also but I just enjoy strumming away and picking at strings and trying to find something that sounds cool - It's not the best way todo things im sure but I find it the easiest way for me to learn. The first song I learned was Your Beautiful, and only cos I wanted to play something easy and something the missus would like... So my advice from noob to noob is try the tutor but back out if you dont like it coz you'll only be wasting money otherwise.