News Guilty until proven innocent

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by rynnor, May 17, 2012.

  1. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Yes?
     
  2. rynnor

    rynnor Rockhound Moderator

    I think you missed the bit at the bottom of the article that they have handheld versions ready to go.

    As far as I can see this sort of data fishing exercise is contrary to the Data Protection Act on a number of counts let alone human rights laws.
     
  3. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    And those "rights" were given to you by the same people that now want your data *shrug*
     
  4. rynnor

    rynnor Rockhound Moderator

    Actually no - the UK people have very few 'rights' actually enshrined in law - the rights that are being broken come from the EU and the earlier European Human Rights treaty.

    It's not a fashionable opinion but I think that EU regulation is actually a great counterpoint to the limitless powers of the UK govt in the absence of a constitution.
     
  5. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    I think the problem with the idea that Facebook is already doing the same thing is silly

    we know why facebook wants all our data - to make money

    rather the devil you know than the devil you dont ;)

    my biggest problems with these kind of laws is that the parties that vote against them almost never repeal the laws once they eventually get into power, once the power has been handed over to the state it is rarely given back freely - and from human history we know this is a slippery slope to go down!
     
  6. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    And ofc you can opt out of facebook by not using it. Unfortunately you can't opt out of British idiotic government, unless you move abroad.
     
  7. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    My bad, by "same people" i meant the higher up political peeps etc in general.
     
  8. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Rights aren't "given" by our political masters. They're supposed to be our servants. Shame most of them fail to remember that.
     
  9. Wazzerphuk

    Wazzerphuk FH is my second home

    Yeah, they never seem to respond when I ask them to clean the bathroom. Cunts.
     
  10. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    Supposed, ofcourse, but aren't in reality. Rights were given by powers above though(or granted if you will), along time, and while i won't say that "ooh them politicians are good and you should shush and take it"(far from it), i will say that the so called "people" have become quite arrogant with all the rights and demands, while booing every bit of other inconvinience they might have to endure to live secure lives in their nations.

    Both sides need a bit of a slap now and then ;)
     
  11. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    There's no such thing as rights.

    However, I support the ECHR as our only defence against our goverment short of violent revolt.
     
  12. rynnor

    rynnor Rockhound Moderator

    To be fair the EU have also given us many rights - the Consumer Protection Act, the Data Protection Act, the Unfair Contract Terms Act to name just a few - we'd be in a far worse place without them.
     
  13. Keitanz

    Keitanz Can't get enough of FH

    It seems to me that people are crying over this because they don't want the police all over their personal phone calls/texts etc... not because they might get banged away if the police look at their phones and see all the plans to kidnap Ronald McDonald from McDonalds........
     
  14. opticle

    opticle Part of the furniture

    Give this a few years before it becomes the new phone-tapping scandal :)

    As soze says, I have nothing to worry about bar shameful flirting. It's in everyone's best interests that no one sees that.

    But I understand why people are upset.. seems to me the key issue is "Keep data even if innocent". If they'd left that out they'd have a much smoother ride with this, and I don't understand their motives for justifying it's inclusion.. does anyone else ?
     
  15. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    Well, Ronald has nothing to worry about, but if i ever get my hands on that Raquell McDonald...mmmm....clownsex.
     
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  16. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    Why should I let them see any of my personal communications? Since when is it anyone's business what I do or say or send in an email/text?

    I am not a criminal, the police have no need to see any of my communication.
     
  17. rynnor

    rynnor Rockhound Moderator

    The problem is a few years down the line when theres thousands of peoples personal data stored indefinately on the Police database it's a great honeypot for various nefarious purposes from dodgy Private Eyes hired by media organisations to identity theft and fraud.

    When the Police have shown themselves unable to keep quiet about confidential material from murder enquiries how much chance will this personal data have when thousands of people will have access to it?
     
  18. Keitanz

    Keitanz Can't get enough of FH

    Well for most people all this data is already posted on facebook etc...

    I really don't care about this.. it's going to happen no matter what and if it helps putting away scum bags then I'm all for it.
     
  19. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    Not really no. If I send a text to my wife, I do not post it on facebook. If I send a text to a mate, I do not post it on facebook. Not everyone uses facebook and most people that do use facebook don't feel the need to broadcast their life on there. Yeah some people can't help but give everyone an update about their tedious life every 5 minutes but most people have a brain and don't want the world to know everything about them.

    Its personal communication and nobodies business but the sender and the receiver, not the government and not the police.

    Anyway, this is just the start and as long as people keep saying they aren't bothered about it the more they will get away with this shit.
     
  20. soze

    soze I am a FH squatter

    As I understand it this is saying that every phone of someone arrested will be downloaded rather than being sent away for specialists to save the data. And that they will not delete that download if no charges are then bought. It does not say that your data will still be subject to a search by a government super computer. I think the police just don't want someone on payroll who just deletes the phone downloads a certain number of days after they decide not to file charges. You can say well why download every phone? But that seems obvious if they let you out on bail and you destroy that phone they can lose evidence so downloading the thing right away seems like a great idea. If they are trawling though every bit of data just looking for crimes even if you have been proven innocent then that is wrong. If they are just keeping the data but not using it to save on clerical costs then I really do not care.
     
  21. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    The government keep all your txt messages, emails, numbers dialed and websites visited, just KEEP them, not sift through them, until you come on the radar for what ever reason, but they have the telecoms firms keep it for them,it's the law.
     

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