Guilds...

[old.Laryssa]

With all the posts about the new formed RvR Guilds I came to
one simply conclusion:

This guilds live from the old, call it classical, guilds and this is
what drives Hibernia into a realm internal crisis.

The actual trend of lvl50 leaving their guilds where they grew
up shows me that loyality and commitment are no longer words
in the hibernia dictionary.

It really takes the wind out of my sails if I organize guild groups
to level in guild groups if I lack numbers and high-levels to
support the events - and I always have to keep in mind that,
if they finally ding lvl50, they will prolly leave the "xp guild" to
join the "rp guild" which is actually the last excitement in the
game - the last stop after the long xp journey.

I thought about leaving my home guild to join a rvr one myself,
but the experience and friendship I encountered there prevented
me from leaving - but I guess there are only a few that think the
same way as I do.

Call my post a rant or simply think about it.

 

[Amadon]

I have to believe that more people understand the concept of loyalty than don't, because otherwise I'll lose what little faith I have in humanity
I think that the minority who have no concept of loyalty overshadow the majority who do.

 

[Alrindel]

For me, there are two things.

1) If you're in a guild, then you should be helping and supporting your guildmates, and you should never forget that you are representing your guild at all times in the game (by that I mean that if you go around being a jerk, then you are making your guildmates suffer for it because they will be associated with you)

BUT

2) I have always tried to make it clear to everyone who has joined SD that they should never feel like they have to stay with us strictly out of loyalty if they feel they could be having more fun in another guild. When guildmates have come and said, "I was thinking about leaving because my RL friends made a new guild and I want to join them" or "I am frustrated being in a small guild, I want to try a big one" or for whatever reason, then I encourage them to switch, and I wish them the best of luck - and if they should change their minds and want to come back later then they will be welcome.

Every one of us pays to play DAoC, and it should be as fun as it can be, or else it's a waste of money.

 

[old.Laryssa]

perhaps I should simply keep my thoughts to me and take it as it
is



My subs are running out - so soon I don't have to bother with the
questions I ask myself if I compare the happy chat in /gu and the
memberlist ...

Perhaps I'm too old schoolish

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by old.Laryssa
perhaps I should simply keep my thoughts to me and take it as it
is

pffffffffft!

the whole point of discussion forums is to obtain different perspectives - whether or not those perspectives support your own

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by old.Laryssa

The actual trend of lvl50 leaving their guilds where they grew
up shows me that loyality and commitment are no longer words
in the hibernia dictionary.

While I'm fairly consistent in my adherence and expectance of such values you are missing an important thing, gratification.

While it's mutually acceptable many people will act out of loyalty and commitment to their guild, however when they feel the fun go out of it and quite possibly see others having a good time doing what they would prefer more people in their guild to be doing, they think about moving.

truth be told I hate rampant guild hopping, people looking for the thing that benefits them the most are often those that contribute the least. However it is just a game, people are welcome to do so if it's what makes it fun for them.

Better to let people go anyway, I'm never sad when people I like leave a guild, I wish them the best and never pull a sad face, think it's important to respect a persons decision and to let them know there are no hard feelings. Although it can be a rare thing indeed to talk to the same people again, bit like when you work with people irl, you like them, friendly and all that, then when they leave you hardly make contact, guess it's the natural order of things

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Amadon


pffffffffft!

the whole point of discussion forums is to obtain different perspectives - whether or not those perspectives support your own

Very true, think larrysa is being a little harsh on herself

Let people go, spend less time worrying about them, best save the energy for those who remain and while I try to maintain my personal values in game, it's simply not worth worrying about everyone elses choices and moralising about it.

<makes everyone a nice cup of tea>

 

[Gorguss]

Since everyone has come up with reasons for people leaving and reasons for why people should'nt leave, I thought I'd try to bring out a solution For me, more people means more fun. It's simply becouse if it's more people, it's a greater chance that you meet the ones you really like. So for the guilds that have like 3 lvl 50s that are "bored" becouse they can't really make the guild achieve anything RvR wise or they just miss the constant guild chatting, try merging with another guild with the same problems. That will double your numbers and probably some lvl 50s will go along to. And for all those that are so concerned about our realm, here's a formula:

1. Newb becomes lvl 50
2. Newb is bored becouse no-one else in his guild is lvl 50
3. Newb rerolls so he can join his m8s again
4. Move to point 2 again

 

[old.Jable]

tbh people seem to forget we are all in the same realm. was great at the start - everyone giving stuff away when they didnt need it, accepting that it was helping everyone level. you didnt get the in ultima for example. the idea of giving someone something thats kickass for nothing so they can level quicker seemed as important as a rez on the battlefield.

these rvr guilds are a good thing imo. people that arent getting enough active rvr in their own guilds can go and defend the fronters effectively - thats a good thing isnt it?

i agree that if someone joins a guild and properly uses it like a cheap whore, to get levels, then joins the nearest rvr guild that appears after lvl 50, thats out of order. but its not like they got 50 and joined midgard.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Actually Laryssa, I think this is a problem in a lot of guilds afaik. Especially the old family-type guilds. The problem as I see it -having experienced this problem very recently- :

- You're in a guild with friends who like to play together.
- You reach lvl 50. What now? You can help others reach 50, go crafting, go item hunting, level an alt, do fun events, but a lot of people will also want to do RvR at lvl 50 (and before that, but then the PvE is still a good alternative). It is one of the core goals of DaoC, and although it offers a lot of other things, at lvl 50 a lot of people want to do a lot more RvR than before.
- Some friends reach 50 too, and they start doing RvR more. Basically, the game changes (for some more than for others) at lvl 50, but you are still all in the same guild... I've found this can lead to tensions between friends that used to play together, and can cause a rift.
- Some people live with this rift and don't really mind, but others start feeling isolated in their own guild, or feeling left out, or feeling envied by others. This can cause all kinds of tension.
- The tension can lead to people leaving the guild, or even branching off as a group to make a new guild. The people who stay might consider it as a lack of loyalty, the people who leave might consider it an acceptible sacrifice to get rid of the tension.

Personally I agree with Alrindel on this: loyalty to a guild is important and valuable, but if you're not having fun, than something is wrong. Talking to an officer or GM might solve it, or maybe you need a fresh start in a new guild (or just guildless), or maybe you're just tired of the game entirely (something which is often the case when people seem unhappy in a guild btw).

 

[Exiled]

when you hit 50 and leave your guild you should be poped now a lvl to 49.9 and never be allowed to get 50 lol or just say fuck it and /laugh spam them when their "uber" guild gets whipped by a gang of mids....... /(lines up a /laugh for lomino) love ya mate

 

[Haradrim]

It isnt always about loyalty and love to your guild.

There are some other complicated situations like Sultans Guild which is formed like 3-4 months ago ( not sure tho ). Purpose was to unite Turkish DaoC players - which are really rare - in one guild and provide them a guild chat in their own language. After months passed we leveled up to 40+ ( 2 of us 50 ) and the problems began just as told above.. lack of proper RvR action and even lack of numbers to form a group for our epic armors made us think about switcing to some big guilds..

We are still trying to keep Sultans but still facing a lot of problems.. like pm's that we got asking us to leave CF alliance to free a slot for more active guilds.. ( which we've been thinking for some time for the good of Hibernia ) but those problems annoyed most of us that we came to a situation about disbanding Sultans or leaving Daoc with comfort of not betraying our own guild so some of us decided to quit playing daoc in the name of loyalty.

As I stated here, its not always about loyalty or about RP frenzy.. Its simply about emotions that leads us. We tried our best to keep Sultans alive but it seems that we'll be looking for new guilds in next days...

Friends that we made ingame wouldnt be forgotten couse of beeing in different guilds. Friendship is above guilds or even realms..

 

[Spudgie]

Alya kinda hit the nail on the head for me. You feel lost without the family aspect

 

[mastade]

I don't know about you, but i lvled my char for RvR, i hate xping, and if a guild can offer me pure RvR and the common xp guild can't, i can't see what should be wrong with joining the rvr guild?

I know a lot of ppl who feel/felt the same way, thats why they've joined the rvr guilds, i can't really see whats wrong with that?

 

[censi]

Its all about balance....

Terra Dominus really is the perfect guild for me...

It has a large base of players, all who get on very well...

It generally has 1 RvR grp, but 2 a lot of the time now....

Theres guild events, item hunts, legion raids.... but its all about having fun really...

Hate to say it but theres some real nasty players on Hibernia, some who remind me of my days back on UO... people whos only aim is to tear the game apart, and get the most out of it for themselves no matter who they offend doing it... its not fair to stereo type but a lot of these players are usually the younger ones aged between 14-18.

The whole concept of an RVR guild doesnt appeal to me at all... I like RVR but in exetreme moderation only... usually when the realm is in trouble, or theres some sort of threat...

The pointless antics of Emain and accumulting what are essentually virtual numbers known as RP doesnt interest me....

All in all though I am glad to be on Hibernia, theres loads of gr8 peeps here and some gr8 guilds....

(((Im not having a pop at RP guilds here btw, just pointing out that RP means nothing to me.)))

 

[Tank Init]

the main problem is ppl expecting to be leveled by their guild (have to use the guild coz their so shit, cant get to 50 by themselves) then when they reach 50 they think their to elite for their guild and go off to join a "rvr guild"
they forget about all the help they had from their orginal guild to get to 50 from items, money and powerleveling, and they give back nothing in return
these ppl actually need to be in one guild a guild called cunts

 

[-Dreama-]

I can understand both points here, from personal experiance.
I do believe that when you join a guild you make a commitment of sorts. This is the tag you want to wear, these are the people you want to be associated with.
You group with your guild mates, or you don't (who knows sometimes), untill you reach 50.

But wait, let's stop here. Up untill now the goal of the game was to get to 50. Yippy yeah gratz well done.
Now what?
well, from what I have seen, it's a whole new game. No longer are you hangoing out at fins waiting for that group or yelling 49.9 whatever lfg.
Now you're running around frontiers, getting stomped on and hopefully stomping on others.

Now let's stop here again. What happened to those guys you grouped with/chatted with/got to 50 with? Well, they are still working up to 50.

you have 2 options here. You play the game the way you want, the way that gives you the most fun. You can either RvR with your peers (other lvl 50's) or you can stop and wait for your guild mates to get to 50...item hunt or money hunt or craft or whatever untill 7 more guild mates are lvl 50 and you can all go RvR togeather.

if you choose to RvR that doesn't mean you have to leave your guild...just spend a week in random grps and get to know what grps live longest and play best togeather and maybe even try to find a place in that grp every day. Doing this means you get your RP and you stay loyal to your guild.

 

[Ziva]

Well i don't mind the RvR guilds cause i think it is very important for everyone to play this game how they like it. U gotta pay for it anyway, so u better make it good right.

As long as they don't become some sort of elite troup. And with that i mean not grouping other 50's while u still have a free spot or asking people to leave a group because a guildy wants to join or brag about how great they are and all (hmm... did i hear some1 say NP ).

I am sometimes asked to join and i must say, i do notice a difference between beeing in a RvR guild group only and a random one cause of the skills and cooperation in it. For me though things don't have to be perfect all the time so i find myself enjoying a group with not so experienced RvR players also because of the laughs and the sometimes funny mistakes people make.

But i must say... it hurts to see people u have been with inguild for such a long time run off so quickly.