Group Ra's Ruin The Game

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schinkaar

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A mid tank grp without those RA:s are low RR, and no mid tank grp should be without them around rr7ish.
 
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Qte Eth

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unlike bof or grp purge PR is worse then moc or purge or raging power , so u can have it at 7l8 ,and well bof-grppurge are among first ra to pick .
 
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Edlina

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Originally posted by Qte Eth
unlike bof or grp purge PR is worse then moc or purge or raging power , so u can have it at 7l8 ,and well bof-grppurge are among first ra to pick .
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Depends on how you prioritize, that way mids get moc pruge and RP before albs/hibs does, so that's not an argument tbh.

You could just as well have 3x PR 1x Ichor at rr2lvl5 if you preffered... Would then get moc, rp & purge later but that's the way hibs/albs have it, so...
 
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old.Atrox

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imo with Jennas bodysize all her RA's are group.
so imo mids got group aug's, purge, ip, moc etc

imo nerfable :/
 
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leviathane

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group ra's dont ruin the game, but det fucks it up for caster class's basically makes em pointless/ free rps.
 
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old.mattshanes

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Originally posted by leviathane
group ra's dont ruin the game, but det fucks it up for caster class's basically makes em pointless/ free rps.
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Mainly resist buffs too :E

Woohoo you pbaoe a mid 340(-380s) -_-
 
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haarewin

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Originally posted by froler-mid
actually its same range ;d


http://www.camelotherald.com/spells/line.php?line=900

http://www.camelotherald.com/spells/line.php?line=2750





edit: pally is the best defensive tank ingame imo, NERF !!11111
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shammy one is only castable at 1000 range, but if they are in 1500 range of shaman then it still regens the end (read in patch notes / grab bag or somewhere, pretty sure this is the case.)

edit: shaman's is still the best.
editedit: oops wrong word :O
 
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Jenna.

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Originally posted by old.Atrox
imo with Jennas bodysize all her RA's are group.
so imo mids got group aug's, purge, ip, moc etc

imo nerfable :/
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but but... Jenna only got lifter and mastery of water!
 
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[Oo]Escape

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Re: Re: Group Ra's Ruin The Game

Originally posted by Edlina
Hmm melee groups are flavor of the month, what would you rathre have in your typical melee group?

3x PR
1x Ichor

or

2x Group Purge

or

2x Bunker of Faith
1x Speed of Sound

?

imho in the fotm melee groups albs RA's are the best, mids second and hibs third.

RA's doesn't ruin the game in any way, it helps balance it at best, stop whining and cry less :eek:
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Mids complaining about Albs being overpowered is not even funny anymore. Alb groups still need skill to work... you need fast sorcerers and smart minstrels. Midgard needs what? instaCC4tehwin!!3 and the most overpowered 'tank' in the game.

And someone was joking about albs having better end-regen? I don't know any alb tank who comes with EndHeal as standard. With the two most overpowered classes in the game, if you still get pwned log out and do something else imo.
 
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Qte Eth

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because Rp ,moc,purge>>>PR healers get PR later mostly
because bof >>purge moc or rp ,and can result as a won fight easy bof is taken like first.
pr results as a ressed char wo buffs ,nice yes.but more smart to keep em alive.
 
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Zebolt

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Re: Re: Re: Group Ra's Ruin The Game

Originally posted by [Oo]Escape
Mids complaining about Albs being overpowered is not even funny anymore. Alb groups still need skill to work... you need fast sorcerers and smart minstrels. Midgard needs what? instaCC4tehwin!!3 and the most overpowered 'tank' in the game.

And someone was joking about albs having better end-regen? I don't know any alb tank who comes with EndHeal as standard. With the two most overpowered classes in the game, if you still get pwned log out and do something else imo.
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Albs complaining about Mids being overpowered is not even funny anymore. :rolleyes:
 
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nemesisgm

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ok will you albs get your heads out your ass for just 1 second to breath real air. Stop generalising, and making unfounded sweeping sterotypical comments, and assuming the entirity of midgard is fotm moronic zerg around 3healer, 1 shaman 4 savages zerg groups. A very small percentage of it is, probably about the same percentage that is fotm bof, merc zerg groups, and the not so fotm but old hibbie chanter death squad. Midgards majority of population do not fall under such outragous catagories of instantCC4tehwin!!!! or whatever, pereverted bastardised useage of the english language you want to call it. The majority of us have been, still are and will be standard middie classes, and thus do not fall under such labels as you seem to think we all are. Bare this in mind in future before accusing us as a whole of being nothng but talentless instantCC, overpowered savages. Yes the savage needs a nerf, so does the paladin and I've had a lvl50 one for 2 years now and I justly say the paladin is over powered.

D.
 
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old.Sko

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fotm mid group also contains warrior tbh.
so qq more durgi, member of "fotm moronic zerg". :p
 
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[Oo]Escape

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Originally posted by Qte Eth
because Rp ,moc,purge>>>PR healers get PR later mostly
because bof >>purge moc or rp ,and can result as a won fight easy bof is taken like first.
pr results as a ressed char wo buffs ,nice yes.but more smart to keep em alive.
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...and every cleric has BoF/Purge/MoC/RP. It doesn't matter that you need RR7/3 which only 4 clerics in alb have, 1 of which is inactive.

Durgi is right that not all realms run in fotm groups, but mid groups are easier to form and take less skill to play. Why else would NP start in mid, go to hib when chanters were fotm, and now are back in Mid?

The game is broken atm, it played better about 10 patches ago
 
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faderullan

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Tbh Durgi. Most mids that I see in rvr are those "fotm"(that you call it) classes.
 
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zapzap

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Durgi is fotm now thats something gonna piss him off :/
 
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hangianix

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Originally posted by [Oo]Escape
...and every cleric has BoF/Purge/MoC/RP. It doesn't matter that you need RR7/3 which only 4 clerics in alb have, 1 of which is inactive.
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Tatter, Knudden, Loch, Marra, Toxii, Vayasen - 2 of them inactive.
 
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Roo Stercogburn

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I don't think group RAs unbalance the game overly much. They arguably have less effect on most battles than say Determination or Purge for example.

The problem with RAs is not that some realms have this or that, but that the bulk of players are only given access to either generic RAs or useless Class-specific RAs, and being one of those players I can understand how much it burns.

There are probably only a handful of useful class-specific RAs in the entire game and of those, most are the group-based ones and you hear Mids complaining loudest obviously because none of these have been given to Mids.

Well, the real root of the problem is not assignment of group based RAs but the fact that Mythic mistakenly tried to balance RvR with RAs instead of taking the raw classes as the baseline for all RvR balancing then adding equal RAs on top for each realm, or at least equal utility RAs.

New players in the RvR arena have never been at such a disadvantage as they are now since you absolutely need RAs to compete on an equal level and if Mids were being honest Albs and Hibs tend to need them more from what I've seen as we have a large part of what we need from either the generic RAs or baseline class abilities.

I'm not expert enough to say what the right balance should be, but they do need addressed, and this is on Mythic's To-Do list.
 
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Maleg_Grumpton

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Originally posted by leviathane
tbh just remove det and ill be happy.
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Removing Det all together is not the answer, it just needs lessening a bit in value, also maybe made available to hybrids but to an even lesser extent i.e. make Det 10% per level instead of 15% and only allow hybrids to get a maximum of Det3.
 
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hangianix

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Originally posted by leviathane
tbh just remove det and ill be happy.
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Don't remove, just weaken it, or make it more expensive.
 
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bone_idle

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Or make it available to every class. Not just a few.
 
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hangianix

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Originally posted by bone_idle
Or make it available to every class. Not just a few.
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That wouldn't help, it would mean end of cc.
 
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